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gemax
gemax
NSW
57 posts
NSW, 57 posts
5 Jan 2007 10:29am
I am beginner...
should i train my self footstrap first or harness?
where can i get good tip on putting harness and line on.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
5 Jan 2007 8:52am
Harness first.

You don't want to be learning how to catapult with one foot in the straps, it's a good way to stuff your knees.

Combs
Combs
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
5 Jan 2007 10:38am
Definitely harness first, then front foot, then back foot.

Don't stand on your toes to hook in. Pull the boom down to you. Initially have your boom a bit lower so you can hook in and out easilly. Hook in a few seconds first and then unhook to get used to it. Keep doing this until your get your confidence and feel comfortable to keep hooked in for longer periods.

If you are a flat water sailor then get used to being hooked in all the time. The harness really does become your friend and not the frightening monster it appears at first.

Do not try to get your front foot in until your are comming onto the plane (That hairy bit were the board starts to skip across the water and you seem to lose all control).

Do not try to get your back foot in until you are up and planing. Most make the mistake at first of heading up to the wind to try to control the power. When you are comming onto the plane, try to bear away a bit to get fully powered. Everything becomes somewhat balanced at this stage and you can quickly slip your back foot in (your are balancing on your harness line, your front hand and your front foot to do this).

Be quick when putting your feet in the straps, but be gentle. Don't stamp on the rail, or your board will swing into wind and depower.

And as Nebian says, expect to get catapulted from time to time.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14965 posts
QLD, 14965 posts
5 Jan 2007 9:22pm
agreed, when learning the harness go "harness first"....

after a season when you have got the swing of it go harness last.
garynoel
garynoel
WA
260 posts
WA, 260 posts
8 Jan 2007 6:36pm
Re Setting your lines.

Spacing:
Space your harness lines about six inches apart on the boom. (One 'shaka')

Length:
You'll want the 'loop' to be about from the top of your wrist to your elbow.

Position:
the easiest way to position the lines is on dry land. Rig the sail and get some wind in it on the beach. The point on the boom at which you can hold the sail powered up with only one hand is the 'centre of effort' or C.G. of the sail. Space your lines round this point.
When you get planing the apparent wind will shift this point a little so you will need to adjust.

Adjustment:
If the sail is pulling too much on your front hand move the lines forward. If your back hand is pulling to much move them back.

Once you got them right, mark the points on your boom cos if you use a bigger/smaller sail on the same boom you'll have to move them again.

Whe you improve you can narrow the 'spacing' to nothing if you want to be trendy.

Only YOU will be able find the right spot. If someone else tries to do it for you it wont feel right.

Hope this helps

Gary

Edge
Edge
WA
136 posts
WA, 136 posts
8 Jan 2007 11:03pm
quote:
Originally posted by garynoel
'centre of effort' or C.G. of the sail.



Sorry Gary, I'm going to have to pick on you here, that should be C.E. for center of effort. C.G. refers to center of gravity.
garynoel
garynoel
WA
260 posts
WA, 260 posts
9 Jan 2007 1:33pm

You're right edge. C.E.



elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
10 Jan 2007 11:34pm
heres one of Guy Cribs articles which may help

www.guycribb.com/userfiles/documents/Slip%20into%20Something%20More%20Comfortable.pdf

And the page where it came from

www.guycribb.com/page0076v01.htm

hope this helps

Alby
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14965 posts
QLD, 14965 posts
11 Jan 2007 12:57am
hmm,, i read that stuff and find it interesting that guy basically says to do either, one minute he's saying hook in first the next he's saying go the straps first?????
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
11 Jan 2007 1:15am
A lot of people say that about Guy, I think he's got a unique style that doesn't suit many people. That link posted on another thread is how Peter Hart does things, I reckon his tips are better value than the Cuy Cribb stuff:

www.windsurfing.org/train05.htm
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
11 Jan 2007 11:18am
Definately agree harness first.

So does Peter Hart, lifted from the windsurfing.org pages
quote:

LET THE HARNESS WORK. So long as you are powered up, you'll accelerate mare quickly if you hook in BEFORE bearing away and moving back down the board - after all it's easier to sheet in with your body than it is with your arms alone.

grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
11 Jan 2007 11:22am
Mind you, he also contradicts himself by saying

quote:
NO SPEED IN A BLOW. It actually feels scary to even think about moving the feet towards the straps when the board is fully planing. When it's windy, the safest sequence is to move straight into the straps BEFORE bearing away completely and BEFORE the board is fully planing.


Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
11 Jan 2007 2:25pm
My 2 cents worth:

  • Harness first:
    When the wind is strong enough to get you on the plane without needing to pump
  • Harness last:
    When you have to pump to get planning, it's often easier to get into the straps when up and planning as getting into the harness may effect the trim of the board
    When you're way overpowered


When learning from scratch there's no point getting to grips with the footstraps only to get knackered after 20 minutes of planning without the harness! Learn the harness and as you speed up do the "elvis shuffle" (see a Guy Cribb article) down the board. You should be able to do both pretty much in the same month...

Good luck!

BTW well rigged sails and properly placed harness lines are as important as any technique advice so make sure you get this right. Try the elastic technique that Cribb talks about on his cribb sheets - it seems to work! Where do you sail as I'm sure people will be keen to help out with rigging/line positioning?
Bender
Bender
WA
2236 posts
WA, 2236 posts
11 Jan 2007 12:49pm
the Guy Cribb meathods have made my sailing so much easier and comfortable. Look up his web site and give it a try
Combs
Combs
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
11 Jan 2007 7:43pm
Grumplestiltskin

I think you might be reading something into Mr Hart's comments. My reading is that under normal conditions you hook in, come onto the plane 'just' and get into the straps, then bear away to really power up before heading up wind.

In lighter conditions you would hook in, then bear away to get onto the plane and then get into the straps.

Realistically I find that it all happens at the same time. I am always hooked in. If it is really light I might hook out again as a gust hits to get a good pump. Normally though I will just wiggle the rig while hooked in. As I feel the board accelerate I will bear away as my front foot goes in, quickly followed by the back foot.

I am talking flat water sailing here. Wavesailing is a different baby that I have no experience with.
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