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busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
18 Sep 2009 1:10am
hey guys how would i prevent myself from unharnessing during trim in choppy conditions. it that my harness lines are to low. i have trouble clipping in if there to high beacuse im a shorty.

one more quick noob question....

i dont understand the procedure do i harness in first before i get my feet in the straps or is it done before.

any help would be greatly appreciated

i have been harnessing in then tryin to gain foot positions
KiwiBones
KiwiBones
WA
25 posts
WA, 25 posts
18 Sep 2009 4:44am
Could be the two parts of your question are contributing factors.

Firstly as a noob. I would suggest getting into the foot straps first, at least the front one. This means that you are in control of the board, it also means that you are back on the board and that the rig is back which would make the harness lines easier to get into... which may also mean that you can use shorter harness lines or if your boom is too low, ie below armpit height, you could put it back up. This may help with the unhooking problem.

As a beginner if you hook in first you may feel uncomfortable, like you are getting pulled onto your toes and front foot and therefore it becomes difficult to get back into your straps due to fear of getting flung around the front. Once you have some experience however it will no longer worry you and you may find you do it in either order depending on the conditions.

Also to stay hooked in chop etc ensure that you keep all your weight on the harness. Try to lie back against the harness like you are tied by a rope around your hips (don't try to sit down). Should be no weight on your arms. Infact you can push away with them to help practise a good stance and keeping the rig upright and away from you. Pushing away will also apply pressure against the harness lines to stop you from falling out.
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
18 Sep 2009 10:21am
When i was learning, i sailed without a harness for a fairly long time, and as a consequence when i started using the harness i wasn't used to committed my weight into it and was always getting bounced out. What fixed it for me was someone helped me set up my harness position correctly, and I just had to commit my weight into the harness, haven't really been bounced out since.

As for harness or footstraps, I would suggest footstraps first would be easier as a beginner, you have a bit more freedom over sail movement, so you don't get whipped into a catapult as often. If your not getting catapulted and your comfortable sailing in the harness then getting hooked in first is fine. Once you get used to it, it honestly doesn't matter if you go harness or footstraps first, but footstraps first is probably best once the conditions get messy for the control that kiwi mentioned.

You will find that clipping in after you are in footstraps and planing is easier cause the rig is raked back a bit, and the height of your harness lines is reduced.

Also, a pretty neat trick for getting your feet into the footstraps without looking at them, is to position your feet just in front of the footstraps, so that the side of your foot is touching the footstraps. Makes it really easy for you to feel your way into the footstraps without looking down. Saves a few bruised toes from poorly aimed and overenthusiastic efforts.

So I'd say make sure your harness lines are in the correct position, and commit your weight to your harness.
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
18 Sep 2009 9:19am
It can be a bit scary hooking in or getting in footstraps once you are going really fast so I recommend
bear away and sheet in to get planing
hook in immediately
commit some weight to your harness
front foot in strap
back foot in strap
lean back and ride
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
NSW, 8349 posts
18 Sep 2009 11:12pm
If its really hary I like to hook in as Im coming up from a waterstart with both feet in the straps .That way i dont have to use the strength in my arms ( they're like sphagetti most times) & Im safe & dont get catapulted.
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
18 Sep 2009 10:39pm
sboardcrazy said...

If its really hary I like to hook in as Im coming up from a waterstart with both feet in the straps .That way i dont have to use the strength in my arms ( they're like sphagetti most times) & Im safe & dont get catapulted.


Hi Sue
I haven't tried that.
Is there a trick to it?
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
NSW, 8349 posts
19 Sep 2009 10:11am
Fear I think.. I dont know..I just line the board up to waterstart get both feet in the straps & as soon as I am coming up out of the water hook straight in..obviously you wouldnt want the rig in the wrong spot or you could catapult & that would be iffy..I couldnt do it any other way in strong winds as my arms arent up to holding that sort of power for more than a few seconds..Oh to be a big burly muscley bloke..
Ive decided Ill have to do more canoe rehab around the dam..even 6 laps a day should help with the occasional kayak trip although it still doesnt build up the muscles you use sailboarding..good for overall strength though.
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
1492 posts
WA, 1492 posts
19 Sep 2009 10:55am
Definately harness first, helps to get power into the board so it planns so you can get back into the straps and front foot goes in first.. hooking in after your in the straps is more difficult.
busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
19 Sep 2009 2:55pm
sweet guys thanks for the help and support
Im only 1 and a hlf years into my windsurfing apprentiship
TristanF
TristanF
VIC
230 posts
VIC, 230 posts
24 Sep 2009 9:30am
I completely disagree with the "harness first" approach.

You need to learn to get hooked in and out quickly and without looking at the harness lines, for a number of moves - jumping and gybing to name just two. And you can't pump the sale hooked in.

So I think to start with, focus on getting into the straps first, then hook in. This was really important for me learning to carve gybe, because it gave me the confidence to pump the sail on the exit to keep planing, stepping back into the straps and getting settled, THEN getting into the harness.

I agree with others - if you're bouncing out of the harness, you're prob not committing enough weight to it. Particularly in chop, there's a tendency to move your weight inboard and hold on like death to the boom. This just reduces your control. Try pushing the boom away, and extending your legs to get your weight out over the water. This allows the board to bounce up and down over the chop while you sit outboard. Kind of the same principle as the swing arm of the front wheel of your car - the wheel bounces up and down, so the car body rides flat.

When I first started doing this, I found the board would swing upwind - you also need to point your toes as you extend your legs, to keep the board flat.
dieseagull
dieseagull
NSW
242 posts
NSW, 242 posts
25 Sep 2009 11:19am
I sometimes harness before I get into the footstraps, and sometimes the other way around. Learning how to get into the footstraps before you are in the harness really is a skill you need though. The key with that is to put your weight into the boom with your arms (instead of with the harness as you usually would) and be as light on your feet as you can.

Try sitting down in the harness more, instead of just leaning out. Visualize your weight going straight downwards into the mast foot. Guy Cribb says that somewhere on his website. I also find that hanging down instead of leaning out helps when I'm super overpowered and hanging on for dear life.
ddevil
ddevil
WA
43 posts
WA, 43 posts
25 Sep 2009 1:38pm
I often hook in first and then get into the straps cause hooking in as quickly as possible means my arm/shoulder muscles get tired less quickly, especially in big winds . But I reckon whether it's best to hook in first or get into the footstraps first depends on the actual situation.

In marginal conditions on a bigger board I actually pump, get in the front strap, hook in and then get in back strap.

For a beginner on flat water I'd recommend getting into the harness first, cause it makes it easier to create mast foot pressure and get into the straps, and it saves energy. If the water is very rough or there are serious control/catapult issues then I'd agree with the previous posters that it's better to do footstraps first.

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