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Corkers
Corkers
NSW
154 posts
NSW, 154 posts
9 Oct 2007 12:38pm
I have a two peice mast which, after a sail, was stuck together like super glue. I have had 4 blokes pulling on it with no success. Anyone have any ideas ??
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
Zed
Zed
WA
1274 posts
Zed Zed
WA, 1274 posts
9 Oct 2007 10:53am
yup what u need to do is put something against the bottom of the mast, (I just a bit of wood) and use a large hammer whack the wood that should loosen it. the other technique is use two booms, attached to top and bottom bits. Attach them ultra tight, then twist them in opposite directions. Never tried this method, but first method works a treat.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
9 Oct 2007 10:54am
Shake, twist, put between two sawhorses and bend, rotate 90 degrees and repeat.

If this fails, then make up an adaptor to allow you to force water from a garden hose into the top of the mast (after you remove the bung). You can't just tape a hose in there, you have to do it properly with hose clamps and thick tubing etc. Cost you about $15 from bunnings for all the bits and pieces.

Turn the hose on, and continue shaking for about 2 beers and then POP!

Worked for me
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
9 Oct 2007 1:54pm
oops, that didn't work. Do a search under "stuck mast" in "windsurfing general" for "last year", there's a few threads on this.
divaldo
divaldo
SA
2879 posts
SA, 2879 posts
9 Oct 2007 12:29pm
We have a stuck mast at the moment as well. I am confident we can get it apart, eventually, but wanted to know peoples thoughts on RP7 or other lubes on carbon surfaces? Or should we sand it down a bit in the sleeve or tappered ends?
FletcHuz
FletcHuz
VIC
300 posts
VIC, 300 posts
9 Oct 2007 1:28pm
Just attach booms above and below the joint and rotate in opposite directions. If booms slip even when done up tight then attach 2 booms above and 2 boom below the joint - this will work. I have had one that needed 3 booms above and below (yep that's 6 booms in total) but it was super stuck and had been left for a year.
555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
9 Oct 2007 11:45am
quote:
Originally posted by divaldo

We have a stuck mast at the moment as well. I am confident we can get it apart, eventually, but wanted to know peoples thoughts on RP7 or other lubes on carbon surfaces? Or should we sand it down a bit in the sleeve or tappered ends?



I use a bit of DryGlide (Teflon spray) on the taper, and try to avoid getting sand in the joint. Shorebreak is not my friend!

I'd be hesitant to sand it down at all - you want as much surface area contact between the two halves as possible to avoid point loadings, and inducing stress points in the join.
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
9 Oct 2007 11:47am
Three methods that have worked for me:

  • 2-booms as per above
  • put each end on a saw horse and flex the join, put all sorts of weight on it, don't be shy
  • pad up a bench vice and use it to clamp one end. twist the other half - it's amazing how effective having one section immobile is.
frant
frant
VIC
1230 posts
VIC, 1230 posts
9 Oct 2007 2:10pm
I have the opposite problem. One of my masts forms such an airtight seal with compressed air inside because it is wiped clean with a damp rag before I put the halves together that it pops apart by about 10mm usually when being inserted in the sail. Solved the problem by tape wrapping the joint each time- prevents any sand getting in and mast comes apart nicely. Prevention is better than cure.
555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
9 Oct 2007 12:53pm
Be careful clamping - my brother cracked his mast while unsticking it..

We were able to repair it with some kevlar and carbon, but it's best avoided.

Remember that the section of mast where the manufacturers expect you to clamp your boom is reinforced..

Flexing and rotating, and using water pressure seem to be the best options if twisting and shaking don't work.
divaldo
divaldo
SA
2879 posts
SA, 2879 posts
9 Oct 2007 2:25pm
quote:
Originally posted by frant

I have the opposite problem. One of my masts forms such an airtight seal with compressed air inside because it is wiped clean with a damp rag before I put the halves together that it pops apart by about 10mm usually when being inserted in the sail. Solved the problem by tape wrapping the joint each time- prevents any sand getting in and mast comes apart nicely. Prevention is better than cure.



That taping idea is a good one.

The other thing with our 'constantly sticking mast' is that when we do get it apart, there is a black watery residue left behind, carbon bits in the water left behind, seems odd.
SouthernGirl
SouthernGirl
TAS
21 posts
TAS, 21 posts
9 Oct 2007 5:27pm
lubricant?
oli7
oli7
NSW
110 posts
NSW, 110 posts
9 Oct 2007 4:35pm
Tape the joint with silver electric tape and you should never have the same problem.
Since living in QLD I have been using tape and have not had any problems.
seano
seano
NSW
150 posts
NSW, 150 posts
9 Oct 2007 10:24pm
last time my mast got stuck together, the type 4 guys couldnt get apart. i got home with it & boiled the kettle, poured some boiling water over the top bit for a while & it slid apart with out any fuss...
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
9 Oct 2007 8:30pm
quote:
Originally posted by seano

last time my mast got stuck together, the type 4 guys couldnt get apart. i got home with it & boiled the kettle, poured some boiling water over the top bit for a while & it slid apart with out any fuss...



seano, "ZACKARY RIGHT" works every time
payno
payno
WA
42 posts
WA, 42 posts
9 Oct 2007 8:47pm
i get a piece of rope l;ike 3mm spectra rap it around the mast heaps of time then tie the two ends together then get a pole like a broome handle or somthin put this thru the loop created when tyinthe wo ends tgether then twist the pole so it tightens the roap around the mast do the sam to the top section of the mast but in the opposite direction to the other then turn them towards each other make sense? same principle as the two booms method i guess
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
1492 posts
WA, 1492 posts
10 Oct 2007 12:09pm
bending it before you try to turn it works, the boom method works good too, the boom method and a few guys also helps, my 400 rdm mast gets stuck every time i take it in the surf at a certain beach weird, and the black stuff on your hands is the carbon you have just sanded off the inside of your mast with the sand, one day it will be sanded enough not to get stuck again..... the boiled water trick sounds good have to try that next time..
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
10 Oct 2007 2:14pm
Payno, you describe a Spanish windlass.

This topic is just guaranteed to get a heap of responses.

My favourite method : Pull it apart with the car.

You tie one end to a tree and one end to the front undergubbins of the car and back up slowly. You use tapes rather than ropes and you tie them with the little known "icicle hitch".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icicle_hitch

Precautions - Don't try it on your 100%c race mast or you might crush it. Do it on the grass and close to the ground.

bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
10 Oct 2007 5:49pm
If you can't do it by putting booms on each half of the mast and then twisting them in opposite directions what i did was rub some dishwashing detergant into the split and leave it for a day or so to get in their a bit (rotate the mast round). The next day i took it to the school tech center and wacked the skinnier end in a vice (not to tight because you dont want to crack it) then i went around and rounded up about 10 or 15 guys and we all twisted at once on the fat side. Worked a treat and i havnt been beaten yet. 3 hard stuck masts that i have got like that so i think it works alright. Problem is you need a vice and 10 to 15 guys to help you.

Bubs
camillop
camillop
1 posts
1 posts
9 Dec 2007 6:53am
I tried all possible ways to unstuck the mast with no results, until I found the following web site.

It involves tying ropes at both ends of the mast and attaching one rope to a tree and the other to the hitch of a truck or car. The first time I tried by pulling with my Tacoma truck, the rope slid off the mast. So, I used two C-clamps to fix firmly the rope to the mast. This time it worked beautifly. Try it
Camillo.
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