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Loren
Loren
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10 posts
2 Dec 2005 11:57am
I am just getting past beginner stage and getting tired of my giant bic board and small sail. I need some new (secondhand preferably) gear but don't know what to look for. I am pretty big, about 100kg. Any advice or good cheap gear to buy would be appreciated.
Katy
Katy
WA
44 posts
WA, 44 posts
2 Dec 2005 12:40pm
Hi Loren,

A friend of mine about your weight was learning on a 131 litre board. He got very tired of this (like you are now!) and changed to a Starboard Freesex 108 litre. He LOVES it!!!!! It's speedy, easy to turn and easy to sail - a definite winner! I don't know much about the second hand availability, but it's a brilliant board. I've sailed it too - it's wide and very stable, yet fast and lovely

He's now talking of getting a slightly smaller board for high winds (25knots+), but he still loves and uses the freesex everytime...

Good luck in finding a great board - makes this sport awesome

(That is, if the wind ever comes back)
Loren
Loren
10 posts
10 posts
2 Dec 2005 12:42pm
Thanks Katy

any more info like this would be great.

I am assuming then that I need 108L plus for my size? If I look at secondhand boards will it usually say on the board what size it is? Not having looked at many they mostly look the same to me (I really am green).
Katy
Katy
WA
44 posts
WA, 44 posts
2 Dec 2005 1:20pm
On a very windy day 30 knots+ he was sailing a 77 litre board.

Most modern boards have the litres on them very obviously. (Although I don't know a huge amount about this subject as I only started last season). One option is to get a lesson/hire some kit where you can take out a few different sized boards/sails to see what feels good. There are sometimes free demo days too...

A further thought - what do you plan to do in the world of windsurfing - i.e. are you aiming for waves? You might want to think about the type of board i.e. freestyle or freestyle-wave or slalom etc. I use a JP freestyle-wave which is a great all rounder. Defo try out a few boards/styles to see what does it for you
sinker
sinker
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
2 Dec 2005 1:28pm
Hi Loren,

A rough way to guestimate your required literage is to say for every kilo you want to float you need a litre of volume. So if you weigh 100k, your rig weighs 5k, the board weighs 9k you need about 114L.
That will give you neutral buoyancy (roughly) but it's a good idea to have some extra floatiness when you're learning especially if you're still uphauling.

There's several styles of board about now in the 120-150L range they even make boards especially for fast intermediate learning.

Boards magazine has a website where they post their board tests categorised by size/style: www.boards.co.uk

Kates advice would be right I'd say a fairly modern freeride/freestyle board with some width for stability and early planing would do the job best.

Have fun choosing....
Loren
Loren
10 posts
10 posts
2 Dec 2005 1:59pm
Yeah I definitely want to get into waves eventually. I live near avalon in mandurah but to date am just going out in the estuary as with my small sail I can only waterstart when it is howling. I don't quite have the confidence to get out in the ocean yet.

Thanks for that additional feedback, that is exactly the sort of stuff that I am after. I guess something similar to what you have is what I would be chasing
Loren
Loren
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10 posts
2 Dec 2005 2:01pm
Brilliant, thanks sinker, I will check out the site.
eckas
eckas
NSW
323 posts
NSW, 323 posts
2 Dec 2005 11:55pm
G'day Loren,

The one thing I have in common with is is the 100kg! My heavy wind combos that suit me well for flat water blasting is a 138 litre stingray with a 7.4 NP Diablo (good for 15-18 knots). For 19+ knots, my 'true' sinker comes out - 105l Naish Enduro with a 5.8 Aerotech charge. Suggest you have a good look at your local wind conditions and make a call whether it's typically 19+ knots or 19- knots. My stingray is the workhorse of my board collection, and will carry anyting from a 9.5 in 12 knots, to the 5.8 in 19+ knots. If it blew 19+ knots every day, I'd love my 105l Naish, but for simple time on water, it's hard to beat the extra volume and sail range of the Stingray.

Eckas.
fish
fish
WA
155 posts
WA, 155 posts
2 Dec 2005 9:21pm
hey lozza welcome to the forum
i guess something else to ask yourself is how much you wanna spend?
how often can you go?
how quick will it take you to get into the waves?
lets say you spend some $$$ on some good gear for you to get confident on the estuary the question is can you take it into the waves?
freeride stuff or wave stuff?
i say get a big wave board and a sail between 6-6.2m
hardman has a fat boy wave board
ask him about his yellow board that decrepit made for him
im not sure of the litres
or WSP has a 130L F2 powerglide for $800
im not too sure on these boards it might have good rocker for waves and may be able to put a wave fin on?
ive seen you and your one big bloke
mandurahs seabreeze ranges from 15 to 20knots most of the season
once you get good a 100-110L and 5.7-6.0m will be sweet
once you got your water starts happening use the gear to get out at avalon?
you dont want to get an estuary board and a freeride sail
speak to hardman and he will help you more
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
2 Dec 2005 9:53pm
Gothim sussed already, met him at estuary while I was speedsailing, will get him sorted, u know the best thing about this bloke, he's bigger than me

Click onto my name here Loren, and email me
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
3 Dec 2005 12:07am
Loren,

My advice is as follows:

While you cannot water start work on you body weight + 30Litres of bouyancy minimum as a good board.

When you can water start well in all conditions move to body weight + 10-15 litres for light wind and body -10 litres for heavy wind.

BTW 1 kg = 1 litre in basic terms

I have been sailing 20+ years.

My light wind board (13-18) knots is my Naish Enduro 105 litres - I weigh in at 88 kg - this is +15 litres. (6.6 m2 sail)

Note that I can sail the 105 (+15 litres bouyancy)litre board in up to ~ 25 knots and above that it becomes extremely uncomfortable.

My high wind board (18-38 knots) is 80 litres - Naish Enduro.

I will also add that the fin you are using is CRITICAL - it provides the lift to the board - too big and you are all over the place out of control - too small or flexible and you can't get the board on the plane.

Same board with a different fin can feel like a completley different baord.

For learning it is best to have too much fin (too big) and then work down to smaller and faster fins as you improve
- J




decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
2 Dec 2005 10:34pm
Yippy, another local!!!! Good on ya Loren, look forward to seeing you in the waves.
Just add my 2 bob's worth, get something that will work as a good light wind wave board in the future. The yellow monster I made Hardy, isn't ideal for this, it works in the waves, but that wasn't it's design function, the tail is just too wide.
I agree with earlier post you should be looking for 120/130 liters. And if you're really keen and don't mind a bit of pain, go straight into learning to waterstart, forget about uphauling, you'll find that quite a bit harder on a smaller board.
And don't be scared of the ocean, the wind is usually better, (as long as it hasn't got too much south in it!)If you come to my end of the beach, (rig up in Avalon foreshore park instead of the new subdivision end), there is less wind shadow from the point.
A young friend learnt to waterstart here in a few short lessons.
Loren
Loren
10 posts
10 posts
5 Dec 2005 9:46am
Thanks to all for the great advice. I think I know who you are now decrepit, do you drive a landruiser personnel carrier? I will stop and speak to you next time I see you.

I realised sailing on Friday afternoon that some of the things that I had started to pick up last season i have lost in my long absence! All the same I will get stuck back into it and hope to see you all out there soon!

I haven't been uphauling but so far have confined myself to relatively shallow water where I can put a foot down to get myself set before taking off. I did a couple of waterstarts last year but I wasn't able to on friday
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
5 Dec 2005 8:30pm
quote:
Originally posted by Loren

I think I know who you are now decrepit, do you drive a landruiser personnel carrier? I will stop and speak to you next time I see you.


Nup that's the other old grey beard, but he'll talk to anybody, and be pleased to say hello.
I drive a corolla stn wagon, but it only has boards on it if we go away somewhere.
fish
fish
WA
155 posts
WA, 155 posts
5 Dec 2005 8:58pm
c'mon lozza, with the wife and kids away and with school almost finished you will have all the time in the world to learn how to water start, harness, foot straps and gybe all over the estuary :o)
Loren
Loren
10 posts
10 posts
6 Dec 2005 9:50am
Yeah fish thats right! Also with the wife away I can spend what I want, that's why I am getting what info I can!

PS how do you know my wife is away? Are you stalking me?
Loren
Loren
10 posts
10 posts
6 Dec 2005 9:57am
quote:
Originally posted by decrepit

quote:
Originally posted by Loren

I think I know who you are now decrepit, do you drive a landruiser personnel carrier? I will stop and speak to you next time I see you.


Nup that's the other old grey beard, but he'll talk to anybody, and be pleased to say hello.
I drive a corolla stn wagon, but it only has boards on it if we go away somewhere.



Yeah I met the other grey beard yesterday, he gave me a funny look when I went up and said, "Are you decrepit?" Probably thought "smartarse little punk!"
Hellemam
Hellemam
WA
45 posts
WA, 45 posts
6 Dec 2005 4:40pm
Great stuff in here.
I bought a Starboard GO early this year. It helped me getting into the harness and footstraps. It is easy to beachstart with and it goes on a plane beautifully but as it is high in volume (180l) waterstarting is a bit of a problem. It sits solid on the water and I am not that flexible that I get my leg on top and can push myself further. So all this advice strengthens me in getting a smaller board, probably around 110l.
One question though, what about sailsizes?
I now use comfortably a 4.7 and 5.8 at Pelican point. What is needed for a 110l? All sailboard builders show the lower and upper sail sizes but how does this translate to Perth conditions? Any tips on that part? I hope I am not barging into the discussion but judging by the wealth of tips this seems to be the right place.
Katy
Katy
WA
44 posts
WA, 44 posts
6 Dec 2005 5:12pm
Hellemam

Just a thought about waterstarting (I am learning too). When I fly the sail and get ready to errr "mount" the board, the sail is holding me quite high in the water - i.e. my entire upper body down to the hips is out of the water. This makes it easy to put a foot on the board without too much flexing required. This could just be me though....

Good luck with new board - all of a sudden you'll find that it really matters where you put your feet!

Am sure that if you use your current sails on a smaller board, they will be fine - see how it feels. Might see you at peli pt soon
(That's if our car battery doesn't burst again... Sigh no car for another week sigh)
Hellemam
Hellemam
WA
45 posts
WA, 45 posts
6 Dec 2005 5:25pm
I am probably trying to blame the board for my own failing. It was worth the try.
The new(er) board will sit on the wish list for some time. Maybe late January. Too much going on during this month and first half of January and unfortunatley it doesn't involve windsurfing. No worries though, judging by the age of most windsurfers I'll have a few more decennia of windsurfing to look forward to.


nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
6 Dec 2005 5:43pm
Hi Loren,

I just recently learnt how to waterstart reliably, the secret for me is to think about the power in the sail when catapulting. So you get the sail out of the water, get the back foot on the board, then I put the front foot in front of the mast while tipping the sail forwards and trying to get all the power of a catapult into the sail.
Remember to swing your hips as close to the board as you can, and then you're up up and away!!

Good luck!

Ben
Combs
Combs
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
6 Dec 2005 6:31pm
Hellemam

The Go is a great board. Waterstarting is no harder on it than a smaller board. I have migrated down size now, but I hung on to my Go for a couple of seasons. It is a lot easier to learn on, so don't be too keen to trade down (I actually got a smaller board and kept the Go for a season - used them both depending on the wind).

The thing I found with the Go is that you have to have the right size sail for it. You will find that even in stronger winds, the Go behaves itself much better with a larger sail. The smallest I would use on it was 6m. Any smaller than this and the board is not powered and you tend to bounce around all over the place.

I know you are not supposed to, but I found the easiest way to water start was to put both feet on the board (in the centre of the board with your heel on the board - not the sole of your foot - common mistake). This helped me to get the board in the right spot and keep everything under control. In stronger winds the sail will just pull you out even with both feet on. In lighter winds, once I have everything under control, I just slip my front foot off the board while pulling the board toward me with the back foot, then when alongside the board kick with the front foot to get you on the board.

Everyone has a different tilt, but I hope this helps.
Hellemam
Hellemam
WA
45 posts
WA, 45 posts
7 Dec 2005 10:38am
Thanks Combs,

I will give it a shot and I'll have a look at maybe a bigger sail as well. See how that goes.
Joy!!! More things to try.
fish
fish
WA
155 posts
WA, 155 posts
7 Dec 2005 6:50pm
"WHAT A LOG!"
Loren
Loren
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10 posts
8 Dec 2005 9:35am
Fish

I thought it might be you you sneaky b**t**d. I spoke to scott the other day and he said he would come out when he gets his licence back so if you can lend him whatever it was that he has broken that would be good. Plus I will be up on the weekend. I'll see you at Duncraig.
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