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drowned rat
drowned rat
WA
37 posts
WA, 37 posts
2 Apr 2007 8:42pm
I'm new to windsurfing and have spent a few days down at Pelican Point but find that the board keeps wanting to turn upwind to the point of stalling, even when I lean the sail forward, was much worse in windy conditions, can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? By the way, I was blown away at just how friendly the other windsurfers are down there. Thanks in advance.............. was advised to add some info..... I weigh 88kg, the board is a Bombora 292, plastic and rather floaty.
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
2 Apr 2007 11:29pm
Not exactly sure, but when i was first taught to sail my dad told me to have one foot either side of the mast, however on one of my other board when i first moved onto it, it was impossible sail like this and i had to put both of my feet behind the mast base.

If you are already doing this and using a smaller/newer board, mabey if you put more weight on your front foot i tend to find it helps me get the board down wind.

Bubs
drowned rat
drowned rat
WA
37 posts
WA, 37 posts
2 Apr 2007 10:04pm
Thanks Bubs, I'll try anthing. Last time I went out (my third time out) I spent a lot of time swearing underwater
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
2 Apr 2007 11:41pm
Yeah i know what you mean. It can get extremely frustrating. Especially trying new things. But as soon as you get planning, in the harness, in the straps and all those things, you'll be hooked for life.

I do think front foot presure might be your best bet, and also as soon as you get the sail out the water get both of your feet behind the mast, even if your front foot is touching the mast base.

Bubs
drowned rat
drowned rat
WA
37 posts
WA, 37 posts
2 Apr 2007 10:15pm
Second time out I managed to hook up and get it on the plane once, and yes your right, it is addictive.
laurie
laurie
QLD
3902 posts
QLD, 3902 posts
3 Apr 2007 12:26am
quote:
Originally posted by drowned rat

...even when I lean the sail forward, was much worse in windy conditions, can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong?



Good to see you're getting into it. I'd suggest if the board isn't coming around when you lean the sail forward, then maybe it's not leaning forward enough, or at the wrong angle? Bubs is spot on with the foot idea.

It's all about "centre of effort" .. leaning the sail forward means the push from the wind will be forward of the mastfoot and push the nose around.

The faster you go, the more the centre of effort moves towards the rear of the board. It's why when you're putting along the sail is upright & forward, but when you're fanging the sail is raked right back.

Enjoy .. Lozzzza
bmanners
bmanners
WA
40 posts
WA, 40 posts
2 Apr 2007 10:35pm
Beginners often turn upwind when they first get some speed as they tend to stand on the edge of the board, sinking the rail and turning it up wind. The board turns much like a skate board - lean it to one side and it will turn that way so if you stand on your heels on the upwind side of the board it will turn heavily up wind. to stop this you need to put your weight on you toes and concentrate on keeping the board trimmed flat.

good luck
Brett
drowned rat
drowned rat
WA
37 posts
WA, 37 posts
2 Apr 2007 10:46pm
Thanks for the tips, just wondering..... when I get hooked on this am I going to be spending every spare sent on buying better gear? I've only been out 3 times and haven't even come close to mastering what I've got and I'm already looking for better and fancier gear.
jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
WA, 1109 posts
2 Apr 2007 10:50pm
when i was still learning to get into the straps i always rounded up into the wind, what i did to fix this was moove the mast track allthe way back, and adjust the back harness line stap about 2 cm back, go out give it a feel that adjust the front one back a little bit. but if your really a newby and not in the harness, adjust the mast track all the way back and try standing further foward on the board. along with the if you have an adjustable fin it can help to moove it the to highest position ( nearest the nose) and this can some times help. and if not it will give you better controll. ah yeh and when you get fustrated under water, dont just throw your sail at the board, because when i did this a managed to put a tear throu the entire sail, and knock my nose off, while being about 200 300 meters out. asoon as you get looked in and in the straps plaining with out any hands your adicted, and asoon as you get on a smaller and much faster board, you will hurt your self, but it makes it wayy more fun, even with the broken skin, and stiches you get in the back of your head
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
3 Apr 2007 6:34am
Yes you will be spending a lot i think you will find . I know i have and still am. I Find you can never have enough gear and always want something a bit better than what you already got. I find it quite good that my brother and dad sail with me to becuase i can sometimes do a deal with them as far as sharing gear so i can still get it but not have to pay as much. Works out prity well when i need (want) to get something.

And jord, your spot on.

Bubs
jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
WA, 1109 posts
3 Apr 2007 8:51am
bubs when it comes windsurifng there are never needs and wants, there all NEEDS untill you check your bank ballance, and relise you may need to save some money for food,
lhowemt
lhowemt
15 posts
15 posts
3 Apr 2007 9:33am
Does the board have a center/daggerboard? If you have that down, try it with it up, as it helps you go upwind, which is what you don't want. Also try moving the mast track forward, which assists in the same action as tipping the sail forward.

Are you uphailing? Then one foot on either side of the mast. Also try letting go of the boom and holding the mast/uphaul and tip the sail forward while it is hanging in the wind, sheeted out. Also use your body to spin the board around.

Biggest thing is to make sure to sheet in with the board pointed downwind a bit.
drowned rat
drowned rat
WA
37 posts
WA, 37 posts
3 Apr 2007 4:41pm
Mast base was right back, have just shifted it forward. Now I just need some wind. Cheers.
halfabee
halfabee
NSW
6 posts
NSW, 6 posts
3 Apr 2007 8:26pm
I have a plastic Bombora 284 that is also prone to pointing upwind when moving slowly.
If it gets bad, try placing your front foot forward of the mast track, then lean forward hard on that foot until the board points slightly downwind, then move your centre of gravity towards the rear of the board as your speed increases.

I've frequently been planing long happily on my board, with my weight all the way back, only to have the wind drop, the tail dig in, and the board shoot upwind.

I've finally replaced my Bombora. Won't be missing it at all.
drowned rat
drowned rat
WA
37 posts
WA, 37 posts
4 Apr 2007 10:30am
That sounds the same as me, I have had it up on the plane(once) and had no worries, but when the wind was light or really strong maybe I couldn't get up enough speed (due to lack of skill)
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
5 Apr 2007 12:33am
A really common fault with newbies is to weight the windward rail too much. They carve upwind and have to tilt the rig a long way forward to compensate. This is very slow. You should consciously try to keep the board flat (side to side I mean not front to back).

If you are not in the harness or otherwise putting loads of pressure down through the mast foot then your feet shouldn't be anywhere near your straps. When you are in your straps you should have a large part of your weight hanging from the sail.
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