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Jman
Jman
VIC
881 posts
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22 Mar 2010 10:24pm
I need to redo the non slip on my Pokids Stype, from my reseach it sounds like an easy job.
Is there a special epoxy that will not go yellow with age that I should use?
What is the best grit to use? Starboard website recommend fine salt, I have heard acrylic dust is best but not easy to find, or is suger the way to go?

Be interested in others experiences with the non slip procedure for dummies
luca s
luca s
QLD
3 posts
QLD, 3 posts
22 Mar 2010 11:25pm
hi jman i have used sugar and it works well , i used brown raw sugar was a little bit to gripy but after time was ok , just normal white will be good . just use some epoxy resin paint it on and sprinkle on sugar dont be worried about putting on to much just get it even and then wash it of the next day
Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
WA, 331 posts
22 Mar 2010 11:00pm
I build wheelchair ramps for a job. When they are made for indoors and have to look pretty I use castor sugar. You can put more on without it looking like a dessert. For outdoors I use a product called "Suretread" but if you put that on your deck you'd wear out your feet!
Jman
Jman
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23 Mar 2010 9:03pm
Thanks for the info guys, I think I will do a few tests on something other than my board to get used to the amount I need to use and see what works best.

There is an epoxy available locally called Bote-Cote and is available with a uv resistant non yellowing hardener, anyone used this one or can recommend another uv resistant epoxy?
Bondalucci
Bondalucci
VIC
1580 posts
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23 Mar 2010 9:19pm
Hey Jman. Regripping for dummies.......
Why don't you sugar coat the bottom of your feet. Smaller area, save on epoxy.
Jman
Jman
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881 posts
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23 Mar 2010 9:21pm
Bondalucci said...

Hey Jman. Regripping for dummies.......
Why don't you sugar coat the bottom of your feet. Smaller area, save on epoxy.


Is that you Flipper
Bondalucci
Bondalucci
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1580 posts
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23 Mar 2010 9:45pm
Hah, I dream of being able to string a sentence together like Flipper.

Our little mate deserves some recognition though. He has posted over 170 posts without getting chucked off!

If he makes it to 200 successfully, K Rudd might acknowledge it with a National Public Holiday so we can all have a windsurf jam at Ricketts with a can of Red Bull !!
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
441 posts
NSW, 441 posts
23 Mar 2010 10:49pm
Dunno who you have in Vic but in NSW, particularly Sydney, there is company called Dion Chemicals at Brookvale. They've been supplying the surfing industry in Oz with all sorts of resins, f'glass cloth, blanks, fin boxes etc. etc. etc. for several decades, I'm sure they'll know exactly what you're after.

Bote-Cote sounds the goods though.
Phil27
Phil27
WA
194 posts
WA, 194 posts
23 Mar 2010 8:43pm
yeah stay clear of the yellow resin, spoils the board forever! ****...White sugar is ok, bit nasty at first but turns good. Done it 2 yrs ago and its still good. Raw sugar = raw feet. Shark bleed attack.
Scottda
Scottda
WA
32 posts
WA, 32 posts
23 Mar 2010 10:13pm
I did my board the other week and used Kinetix R104. Its good stuff but a bit expensive for 6 litres! See links. You probably only need 50 or 100 ml.

http://www.atlcomposites.com.au/atl_composites/epoxy_products/laminating/kinetix__r104_surfboard
www.shapers.com.au/category13_1.htm

A few tips I can think of:
1. Don't sand back too hard, it will take the paint off. Just smooth off the old stuff unless its dis-coloured or coming off.
2. Use a foam roller and make sure you roll out the ridges you sometimes get when you try to roll too much resin. If you don't you'll see lines where more sugar sticks.
3. The thicker the resin the more sugar that sticks and the rougher the finish
4. Apply lots of sugar. You have enough on when it stays white, then maybe add a bit more! 2 or 3 kgs should be OK, maybe have another kg on hand.
5. Remove masking as soon as you finish applying the sugar. Then leave and don't touch for 24 hours, it can take a while to go completely hard
6. Sweep off excess sugar, then hose rest off outside on the lawn.
7. Be careful on the first few sails, it will take skin off. Acrylic dust would be much better, does anyone know where you can get some?

Also
www.basicwindsurfing.com/how-to-repair-the-windsurf-board-grip.php
www.boardlady.com/nonskid.htm
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
24 Mar 2010 10:19am
on my last repairs, I just spayed on some polyurethane (white) & sprinkled sugar on as mentioned above...amazing how long it lasts if you use a good 2-pack paint or epoxy. Btw, I didn't wash the sugar off...I left it on the lawn for a week and watched the ants have a field day with it!

Whatever you do, DON'T use fine sand (as was recommended by the local fibreglass company), it makes the board slippery, and requires an angle-grinder to remove it, after going through about 10 sanding pads on the orbi!
Jman
Jman
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881 posts
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24 Mar 2010 5:54pm
Thanks for all the advice guys, I can purchase the non yellowing epoxy from Seaford, its $40 for 750ml and is called Bote-Cote, so will go with that and try caster and normal sugar on some test pieces.

The acrylic dust is to hard to find by the looks of it and if sugar dose the job I'll be happy.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
24 Mar 2010 5:05pm
I think 'Intergrip' which is mentioned in past threads, is acrylic dust. It doesn't actually say on the container though. You can get it at Whitworths. It only comes in one grade.

I did some comparisons on bits of scrap wood and plastic and intergrip seems about the same as caster sugar, white sugar is rough, and raw sugar looks good for grip, but I wouldn't want to scrape my shin on it! Raw sugar would embed pieces of skin nicely if that's the look you are after.

Comparing the finish on some of my boards showed intergrip/caster sugar was close to some, and white sugar was close to some others. I think I will try the next board with Intergrip and see how it holds up.

I need to get some UV stable epoxy though, so I might look out for that bote-cote.

KA360
KA360
NSW
803 posts
NSW, 803 posts
24 Mar 2010 8:22pm
I had a board regripped in Greece by a sailing buddy,he has a mobile service,he does it in the street in front of your house.It was the best grip I have ever felt,very grippy but not harsh.
He sold his recipe to F2 which they have been using for the last 10 years.
He swore me to secrecy,so don't tell anyone else!
80% marble dust and 20% acrylic dust
some board brands use a % of crushed glass,which is available from sandblasting suppliers,but mostly this is mixed colours in the finest grade.If you shop around you will find some have batches of clear crushed glass
Jman
Jman
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881 posts
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24 Mar 2010 10:36pm
FormulaNova said...

I think 'Intergrip' which is mentioned in past threads, is acrylic dust. It doesn't actually say on the container though. You can get it at Whitworths. It only comes in one grade





Thanks for that Intergrip might be the best product to use with the Bote-Cote
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