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jp747
jp747
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1553 posts
18 Jul 2008 11:56am
i've been told by an instructor years ago that in his experience when it becomes way overpowered in gusts lean forward and swing rig backwards to bleed wind instead of opening the sail or feathering which would most likely cause a fall..would this be true to all
lanky
lanky
QLD
213 posts
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18 Jul 2008 3:30pm
Rig down!! HAHA

Na but seriously i never heard of that before. Might work but maby sounds a bit risky to me. I think that if you get so seriously overpowered that it becomes a problem you need to rig down, add more downhaul, or more outhaul or call it quits for the day. (NOTE: everyone has a different idea of way overpowered)
firiebob
firiebob
WA
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18 Jul 2008 2:29pm
I wouldn't try that JP but if you do let us know how you went

In an overpowered gust and with your GPS strapped to your arm, you're spos go off the wind screaming yee haaaa
frant
frant
VIC
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18 Jul 2008 4:45pm
firiebob said...

I wouldn't try that JP but if you do let us know how you went

In an overpowered gust and with your GPS strapped to your arm, you're spos go off the wind screaming yee haaaa


Or FAAAAAAAAA AAAAARK
Tozza
Tozza
WA
160 posts
WA, 160 posts
18 Jul 2008 4:39pm
I think its best to get low and pinch into the wind. When you sheet out you release mast foot pressure and the wind gets under the nose and the gusts get hard to control as you generally don't have much weight committed to counteracting the sail.
Bender
Bender
WA
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18 Jul 2008 4:42pm
Stick your bum out and down and bear away off the breeze and hang on. The second you get defensive by standing up you loose MFP and then at really gets crazy
elmo
elmo
WA
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18 Jul 2008 4:48pm
jp747 said...

i've been told by an instructor years ago that in his experience when it becomes way overpowered in gusts lean forward and swing rig backwards to bleed wind instead of opening the sail or feathering which would most likely cause a fall..would this be true to all


I only ever do that when I'm well overpowered trying to get back up wind.

Other than that, if you go defensive you will generally get a new freckle drilled
knots
knots
WA
114 posts
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18 Jul 2008 5:48pm
Overpowered yeah baby.You are right Bender.living on the limit
firiebob
firiebob
WA
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18 Jul 2008 6:14pm
Tozza said...

I think its best to get low and pinch into the wind. When you sheet out you release mast foot pressure and the wind gets under the nose and the gusts get hard to control as you generally don't have much weight committed to counteracting the sail.


Yep on the money
Also with no mast foot pressure the fin takes over in this order =
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
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18 Jul 2008 8:45pm
I've heard the oversheeting thing too.

The trouble is that it goes against all your windsurfing instincts, you're getting stood up by the sail, can't sheet in properly and you want me to sheet in further???

With a cammed sail, if you feather the sail the airflow doesn't flow over the windward side of the sail properly, and then the sail desperately wants to twist out of your hands. This was happening to me today, and it did cross my mind to try oversheeting but man there's no way I was game to muscle that back hand in all the way...

To do it I think you need more testicular fortitude than I've got
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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18 Jul 2008 9:09pm
The trouble with pulling hard with your back hand is causing spinout, how does this work????
evlPanda
evlPanda
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18 Jul 2008 11:19pm
jp747 said...

i've been told by an instructor years ago that in his experience when it becomes way overpowered in gusts lean forward and swing rig backwards to bleed wind instead of opening the sail or feathering which would most likely cause a fall..would this be true to all


You sure it wasn't actually lean backwards and swing rig backwards, as in typical front leg straight, crouched down, hanging on for dear life type fashion?
jp747
jp747
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18 Jul 2008 10:55pm
evil one..i think he said more lean forward i did try it once and all the board could do is go upwind up up and away and had a hard time going back to shore but it worked though. More like pinching upwind for the moment..it was during the first time i joined a race and was used to just powered up sail size but he recommended oversize to beat the whitewash of boards and dirty wind anyways it was only worth the most 5mins. of downwind slalom and adrenalin should take over..yeah right i said that time
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
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19 Jul 2008 1:29am
What, you don't have a smaller sail?

You mean you went out without having 2 or 3 alternates rigged and ready?

Staffing problems?

What can I say...
nobody
nobody
NSW
437 posts
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19 Jul 2008 9:17am
Wet Willy said...

What, you don't have a smaller sail?

You mean you went out without having 2 or 3 alternates rigged and ready?

Staffing problems?

What can I say...

Yes, it's hard to find good help these days.
jp747
jp747
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1553 posts
19 Jul 2008 10:22am
yep gear problems when you go to a race with only 2 sails and one boardsince there are 5 of us in a van with all the gear the rack has to be made of titanium that if we could get our hands on it..plus when you've done 6heats on one day in crazy winds your calves are burning out and by the time you're trying to put your back foot on the straps the board's pointing upwind alreadyI should have joined when i was still a junior
decrepit said; The trouble with pulling hard with your back hand is causing spinout, how does this work???? i've seen the vid speed i.q. and micah keeps on saying if overpowered keep sheeted in even if the board is spinning out and try to correct with your front feet, well he's the pro am notbut i've found leaning forward does help maybe to me only though...
NotWal
NotWal
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19 Jul 2008 1:16pm
There is some logic to it (weight forward, rig back).
Leaning forward keeps weight on your mastfoot enabling you to sheet out somewhat. And if it gets too hectic you're all set to scoot upwind.
I'll try and remember to give it a go next time we get some wind.
Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
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19 Jul 2008 11:49am
jp747 said...

i've been told by an instructor years ago that in his experience when it becomes way overpowered in gusts lean forward and swing rig backwards to bleed wind instead of opening the sail or feathering which would most likely cause a fall..would this be true to all


Yeh, done that.
Cranks you upwind further & further untill you get slammed on your back with your gear 2 metres in the air
Happened to me a couple of weeks ago, right in the middle of the stink boat "racing"
jp747
jp747
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1553 posts
19 Jul 2008 3:33pm
NotWal said...

There is some logic to it (weight forward, rig back).
Leaning forward keeps weight on your mastfoot enabling you to sheet out somewhat. And if it gets too hectic you're all set to scoot upwind.
I'll try and remember to give it a go next time we get some wind.


yep that's more like it what the guy meant really exagerate the swing backwards but as Paul says you sure go upwind in a flash and in my case the downwind buoy becomes more harder of an angle to get downwind
monster
monster
TAS
495 posts
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21 Jul 2008 6:37pm
if you get realy overpowed lower your boom hook in sheet out and stand up against your mast foot the board will plough through if you want to go faster just stand further back , the futher back you stand the more you power up the fin , ive been able to get back to re rig and you can go down wind
jp747
jp747
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1553 posts
21 Jul 2008 6:22pm
monster said...

if you get realy overpowed lower your boom hook in sheet out and stand up against your mast foot the board will plough through if you want to go faster just stand further back , the futher back you stand the more you power up the fin , ive been able to get back to re rig and you can go down wind


done that monster bad thing about when your tired at the end of the day with alot of heats done that your front foot are trembling just to keep balance much more to keep the board from going upwind by it's own willby the time i can put my backfoot on the straps the angle going downwind is too great i wish there where chicken straps
monster
monster
TAS
495 posts
TAS, 495 posts
21 Jul 2008 8:32pm
get anemometer then so you dont
Goo Screw
Goo Screw
VIC
269 posts
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21 Jul 2008 10:09pm
jp747 said...

i've been told by an instructor years ago that in his experience when it becomes way overpowered in gusts lean forward and swing rig backwards to bleed wind instead of opening the sail or feathering which would most likely cause a fall..would this be true to all


This sounds a lot like the safest way I know how to pull up after a faster run at the Pit.
Unhook,oversheet and bare off until I can wipe enough speed to round up.
It could hurt with an uncammed sail twisting out of shape or it could hurt if you didn't have enough speed.
I'm tipping you could end up with the back of the boom chasing your head
jp747
jp747
1553 posts
1553 posts
22 Jul 2008 10:07am
monster said...

get anemometer then so you dont


i wish i could monster it was in a middle of a race and no one can complain why the wind just suddenly picked up
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