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NotWal
NotWal
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16 Jan 2009 1:43pm
Cavitation as we know is due to extreme low pressure that allows the spontaneous formation of a gas bubble starting at the leading edge and progressing to the trailing edge on the low pressure side of a fin. The fin loses about two thirds of its lift and kablooey!

I was thinking about twinnies. The pressure bulb from the upwind fin must impinge on the downwind fin increasing the pressure on the low pressure side of the fin. Would it be possible to put this effect to good use in speed sailing to enable higher speeds before cavitation?

I imagine a standard speed fin plus a much smaller fin to the windward side and a bit forward of it. The smaller fin has a tiny bit of toe in so that it doesn't cavitate but just elevates the pressure on low pressure side of the other fin a bit to delay cavitation.

It would be more draggy and less efficient for sure but maybe not so much that it matters.

DL
DL
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DL DL
WA, 659 posts
16 Jan 2009 1:24pm
It's called a canard.

Set up correctly, it would actually give you less drag for the same amount of lift.

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oh, the windward side. I thought you meant the high pressure side.

If you put the canard on the low pressure side, wouldn't that just eliminate your lift in the main fin?

but on the topic of canards, has anyone tried an asym canard setup for windsurfing before?
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Bonominator
Bonominator
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16 Jan 2009 4:31pm
Our fins are so good now that cavitation is really only a problem when we go faster than 45-46knots or in choppy water. Raising the cavitation threshold whilst reducing drag is the key to developing good fins, I understand. Slowie and Mal Wright would be able to answer your question more ably than I could.

There have been several discussions on this topic in Seabreeze and GPSSS.
decrepit
decrepit
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16 Jan 2009 9:13pm
DL said...

>>>>>>
but on the topic of canards, has anyone tried an asym canard setup for windsurfing before?
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I built a rotating canard many years ago, trouble was I incorporated it in an experimental balsa-glass fin.
Tried it a Gearie's, it certainly worked, for about 200m, developed so much lift I could hardly control it, I was pushing down with my heel as hard as I could when everything went loose. Fin snapped off at base, managed to get back in without being trashed on buckets.
NotWal
NotWal
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QLD, 7436 posts
16 Jan 2009 11:47pm
DL said...


If you put the canard on the low pressure side, wouldn't that just eliminate your lift in the main fin?



Not eliminate but interfere with for sure. It would appear to be a method of trading additional drag for higher fin speed. Not something for your everyday sailor, but something to enable Finian or Antoine with masses of weight in a hurricane to beat the kites.

DL
DL
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DL DL
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17 Jan 2009 8:44am
decrepit said...


I built a rotating canard many years ago, trouble was I incorporated it in an experimental balsa-glass fin.


sweet! so the leading foil could rotate depending on what tack you were on?
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
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QLD, 7436 posts
17 Jan 2009 10:07pm
DL said...

decrepit said...


I built a rotating canard many years ago, trouble was I incorporated it in an experimental balsa-glass fin.


sweet! so the leading foil could rotate depending on what tack you were on?


Doesn't a slotted fin do the same sort of thing as a canard?
There is some argument that the slot effect for sails is imaginary but I thought that too was a canard of sorts.

In any case I would expect a canard to lower the pressure on the low pressure side even more and lower the speed of the inception of cavitation - not so good for very high speeds.
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