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snides8
snides8
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18 Oct 2007 9:11pm
i would be interested to hear from guys(any gals?) out there who are using weight jackets/belts etc for speed sailing regulary and how much they are carrying,be good to hear from the guys who have just done sandy as well.
kato
kato
VIC
3530 posts
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18 Oct 2007 11:59pm
For me at 75kg ,the weight helped stablise my upper body and I could make better use of the gusts.I missed the Tuesdays session (too much work stuff),but I ran with 8kg in the jacket for Als speedfortnight.It does take a bit to get use to and it wears out quicker.Start with a few kgs and see if it helps before going heavier.I don,t use a bigger sail than I would normally sail with,but I may try this on a broard course.Use them with a lot of caution as they may increase the risk of crashing and make sure that they float you.Hope this helps
yoyo
yoyo
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19 Oct 2007 1:53am
Leadfoots....

Spotty with headcam following Slowie



It is in the afternoon session with less wind and quieter water than when they set their fast times.

Apparantly this is choppy for SP... or maybe that was the morning session where they said that.??
mathew
mathew
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19 Oct 2007 10:05am
quote:
Originally posted by yoyo

It is in the afternoon session with less wind and quieter water than when they set their fast times.

Apparently this is choppy for SP... or maybe that was the morning session where they said that.??



The incoming tide (ie: the afternoon for that day) generates what we call "whoop-de-doo's" - basically a bit like small swell, where the crest-to-crest length is about 4-5m or so, and can get to about 30cm of height.

The PiT gets quite a bit of chop, starting at about 10m from the shore (on the fastest part of the speed course - not near the start of the run). When it is really windy (say 30+), you get chop 50cm or more with a separation of about 1m, and very steep.

And... depending on the wind direction, you get swell build up due to the wind. It gets worse on a broad (read: westerly) direction, as you reach the fastest part of the course, just as the wind has had a few hundred meters to build up rolling swell. The wavelength tends to be about the same as the whoop-de-doos.

So one of the "go fast" tricks, is to sail under 5m from the sand bank so as to avoid the short-sharp chop, leaving you to deal with the whoop-de-doos and wind-swell. So at 40+, you are doing about 20m/s, which means that you are hitting a few crests per second.

Since there is no way to react to the water state at that rate, crashing is a serious possibility, especially when you reduce mast-foot pressure while trying to slow down. ie: its quite normal to see people crash at the end of the course as they slow down to around the 30kn mark.
Spotty
Spotty
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19 Oct 2007 10:19am
Footage was from the late session on Tuesday where the tide was going out and the wind had eased off swinging further to the south keeping it very flat allmost all the way. Had it been windier we could of gone further and then there would be more chop at the end. The early session did have rolling chop a foot and half high at around 10 to 15 mtrs out from bank high up on the course as there was more west in it during the morning session, this brought a few un stuck.
elmo
elmo
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8894 posts
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19 Oct 2007 8:42am
Eat more Pies and chips

The extra fat has a number of benifits for sailing

Weight
Floatation (fat Floats better)
Energy (Fat will burn of on one of those sessions where you try to beat Claude again)

Simple

Guess who put on weight over his Hols?
AUS1111
AUS1111
WA
3621 posts
WA, 3621 posts
19 Oct 2007 9:25am
Used a weight jacket extensively as a youg fella. All I can say is beware; I badly stuffed both forearms, needed surgery and was off the water for six months.

Having said that, sails these days are so much more stable that the dangers of damaging your arms are greatly reduced.
snides8
snides8
WA
1731 posts
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19 Oct 2007 1:54pm
thanks for the replys guys, and thanks Elmo for getting this back on topic
advice was not actually what i was chasing (but it is still good to get everyones feed back), i was interested as to how many guys use weight and how much they use.
so you could say a poll is what i am looking for.
i for 1 started using weight in the mid 80's - 11kgs this was extremely dangerous and i wouldnt recommend it to any one (disclaimer) how ever the effect of wearing the weight was stunning in terms of speed and handling in strong/overpowering conditions.
at present i am using a divers weight belt with 9 kgs in it, with a life jacket on top- this is just bouyant,depending on what wet suit i am wearing.
i know most guys at Walvis bay where using them as well, even some of the big guys apparently.
yoyo
yoyo
WA
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19 Oct 2007 2:13pm
Slowie said wore 9kg at Sandy which was the same as he used at Walvis.
slowboat
slowboat
WA
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19 Oct 2007 5:24pm
most I've ever worn is 9kg and this was all on shoulders and chest at SP this week. In walvis I had 6 for most of it, and added 3 to the harness. This helped a little bit but was not as effective as on the shoulders. The other guys at Walvis were mostly wearing 12-15kg. Bugger that! The extra weight makes a difference in gusty wind and square conditions for sure. I had really sore legs after Friday and Tuesday...

The conditions in the vid were moderate wind, very square, and still quite high tide. We were sailing to the far marker, and then straight back up to the launch site with a few hundred metres of downwind at the end. ie it was well square. When the wind is that angle the water is super flat, but its hard to go faster because its tight. Mint fun for cruising though. Note the lack of sand flying in the video- that means it wasn't windy. I still did a 42kt 500m though!

Earlier the wind was probably 30-40 degrees broader, and 15kts stronger. Totally different. The sand was fully flying onto the water and into my eyes ears and nose. It was stinging my tongue when I opened my mouth.
snides8
snides8
WA
1731 posts
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19 Oct 2007 5:35pm
gday Chris here is a tip for cracking the magic 50......keep your mouth closed that may be all it takes
those guys wearing 12 to 15 kgs could not of possibly been neutraly bouyant surely??
Goo Screw
Goo Screw
VIC
269 posts
VIC, 269 posts
20 Oct 2007 1:48pm
I just weighed my jacket and it's 5kg dry.So let's say it's 6kg wet.
It would have been nice to try a couple of extra kg's on Tuesday.
The weight is on my shoulder blades and it is a Neil Pryde Buoyancy style vest(like a zip up water-ski type) that could probably do with another 3-4kg's before I'm neutrally buoyant.
TimeMachine
TimeMachine
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89 posts
20 Oct 2007 1:10pm
On Friday 12th I didn't use a weight jacket as I was struggling to get going most of the day with a 5.5m, but on Tuesday 16th used 4-5kg vest so I could hold down my 5m sail. The jackets can help if you have the fitness to carry it.
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