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Goya RDM 85% vs 90%

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Created by NormannD 25 days ago, 24 Aug 2019
NormannD
14 posts
24 Aug 2019 1:08AM
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Hi,
Have anyone tried the new Goya 85% carbon RDM mast and can compare it to the 90% RDM.
I am plan to buy new Goya masts and cannot really find any info on the difference between them performance wise. Goya websitet doenst give much info and the price difference between the two indicate there should be quite some difference.

The 85% should be made in Italy vs the 90 which is made in the US.

Hope you guys got the answers
- Normann

forceten
782 posts
24 Aug 2019 8:20AM
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I doubt anyone will know.
the 90% USA made would be by NoLimitz.
the 85% , I don't see that it's Italian, but take your word, it's prob done by Reptile, who make Maverx, which I have. If so it's the same carbon factory that make components for Lamborghini and Ferrari.

you don't state which is more money, my bet would be the Italian one.
i doubt hardly anyone would notice any difference.

I would be confident both are awesome.

RichardG
WA, 2690 posts
24 Aug 2019 11:43AM
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NormannD said..
Hi,
Have anyone tried the new Goya 85% carbon RDM mast and can compare it to the 90% RDM.
I am plan to buy new Goya masts and cannot really find any info on the difference between them performance wise. Goya websitet doenst give much info and the price difference between the two indicate there should be quite some difference.

The 85% should be made in Italy vs the 90 which is made in the US.

Hope you guys got the answers
- Normann







I have never seen the Goya 85% RDM here in Perth, Western Australia. I have only seen the Goya 90% RDM which I think is a US mast. I use 91% Ezzy masts (these work on Goya sails fine), mine were made in the USA. It does sound like the 85% is slightly lighter, with virtually the same maybe better performance slightly softer, but not sure about the 5% carbon and other differences and the exact effect on performance, nor whether you even notice it. It depends how good a sailor you are I guess. If it is made in Italy at the place described by forceten then the cost impact is likely to make it more expensive and likely more advanced in composite technology. Its a cost decision which one you go for, assuming quality, performance and durability are not effected materially. For information on the product your best bet would be to contact people in the European market or Goya direct to find out more. Pascal Bronnimann or Jason Diffen are usually very helpful.

NormannD
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24 Aug 2019 2:47PM
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Maybe I need to contact Goya.
The 85% retails at ~ 150 euro less than the 90 % which got me wondering about the difference since there is only 5% difference in carbon content.

If anyone have tried both i would still like to hear your experiences.

Faff
VIC, 666 posts
24 Aug 2019 5:37PM
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Weird how they market masts with such similar carbon content. Anyway, it's all about weight, not carbon content as such (no such thing as a 100% mast). Given two equal bend curves, lighter feels better.

martR
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24 Aug 2019 4:33PM
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forceten said..
I doubt anyone will know.
the 90% USA made would be by NoLimitz.
the 85% , I don't see that it's Italian, but take your word, it's prob done by Reptile, who make Maverx, which I have. If so it's the same carbon factory that make components for Lamborghini and Ferrari.

you don't state which is more money, my bet would be the Italian one.
i doubt hardly anyone would notice any difference.

I would be confident both are awesome.



Most Brands let there mast made at Italica.
And Maverx masts ,which are awesome and top quality by the way, are made by Reglass.
Both factory's are indeed Italian based, i don't know were the new 85% Goya masts are being made but if i had to guess i would say there from Italica

forceten
782 posts
24 Aug 2019 10:19PM
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martR said..

forceten said..
I doubt anyone will know.
the 90% USA made would be by NoLimitz.
the 85% , I don't see that it's Italian, but take your word, it's prob done by Reptile, who make Maverx, which I have. If so it's the same carbon factory that make components for Lamborghini and Ferrari.

you don't state which is more money, my bet would be the Italian one.
i doubt hardly anyone would notice any difference.

I would be confident both are awesome.




Most Brands let there mast made at Italica.
And Maverx masts ,which are awesome and top quality by the way, are made by Reglass.
Both factory's are indeed Italian based, i don't know were the new 85% Goya masts are being made but if i had to guess i would say there from Italica


My info came from a UK retailer.
No Limitz is the only USA manufacturer .
when I weighted all 430s that I have, Ezzy, NoLimitz, Maverx all RDMs, the NoLimitz was lightest.

the type carbon and orientation all play into handling performance. The bend curve is the most important thing.

martR
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24 Aug 2019 11:48PM
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I don't state that the Goya 90% is made in Italy... that's as far as i know from the US as you also said.
But Maverx masts are from Reglass, thats all i am saying.
The biggest player though is Italica (North/Severne/GAastra/etc etc) but if i have to be honnest the Reglass masts are a step up in terms of built quality.
just saying

forceten
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25 Aug 2019 8:35AM
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martR said..
I don't state that the Goya 90% is made in Italy... that's as far as i know from the US as you also said.
But Maverx masts are from Reglass, thats all i am saying.
The biggest player though is Italica (North/Severne/GAastra/etc etc) but if i have to be honnest the Reglass masts are a step up in terms of built quality.
just saying


Sorry. Maverx , yes Reglass. I was thinking of Witchcraft , made by Reptile .

i hope you would be honest.
The Maverx I have is a jewel as far as looking at it. For performance I rate Ezzy No Limitz , Maverx HotSails Maui all on level terms.
Gaastra , older stiff top was fine on their sails, Sweet.

Its all good.

northy1
184 posts
25 Aug 2019 3:49PM
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reglass...he is on a video on godzilla surf Facebook talking about the new masts

NormannD
14 posts
25 Aug 2019 5:27PM
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Northy1 can you send a link for the video on facebook? Cannot find it myself

Another question - have Goya change mastcurve for the new 2019-2020 mast. Seems like they changed the logo on the mast?
2018 on top and 2019-2020 below



forceten
782 posts
25 Aug 2019 9:25PM
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I find it odd, to hear that a company has different manufacturers for different masts.im not questioning the fact, as at times I know HotSails Maui have done this.

from a logistic aspect, shipping bookkeeping stock warranty etc , and questions like the one presented would make it unattractive to me as a dealer.

RichardG
WA, 2690 posts
25 Aug 2019 9:39PM
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NormannD said..
Northy1 can you send a link for the video on facebook? Cannot find it myself

Another question - have Goya change mastcurve for the new 2019-2020 mast. Seems like they changed the logo on the mast?
2018 on top and 2019-2020 below







This technical question should be posed direct to the brand. A change of branding get up does not imply any change in design necessarily. I would be surprised there was any change to the mast since Direct Drive and Diagonal Flex has always been the Goya claim as I recall, whatever that means. However, since you asked the question you should ask Jason Diffen.

NormannD
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26 Aug 2019 4:56AM
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Thanks northy1!

Pascal just confirmed that the 2018 RDM 90% White color is the same mast as the 2019 RDM 90% pastel color - only change is color design.

northy1
184 posts
26 Aug 2019 5:52AM
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90% made in usa...the 100% and 85 and 70 are reglass?

boardsurfr
WA, 907 posts
26 Aug 2019 8:59PM
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It is quite puzzling to see a manufacturer with 85, 90, and 100% masts. But Goya is quite popular in the US, and I think also has roots in Europe. The NoLimitz masts have an excellent reputation here in the US - a tad heavier than others but pretty much bomb proof. Could be they are more intended for the waves (Maui and Oz), while the 85% are more aimed towards flat water in Europe, where price often is very important.

forceten
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26 Aug 2019 9:22PM
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boardsurfr said..
It is quite puzzling to see a manufacturer with 85, 90, and 100% masts. But Goya is quite popular in the US, and I think also has roots in Europe. The NoLimitz masts have an excellent reputation here in the US - a tad heavier than others but pretty much bomb proof. Could be they are more intended for the waves (Maui and Oz), while the 85% are more aimed towards flat water in Europe, where price often is very important.


I wish I had my HotSails Maui mast in the 430 to compare.
No Limitz 4.3
Maverx 4.5
Ezzy 4.6.*

* website show 4.3.
in pounds, actual being weighted on the same scale.

martR
25 posts
27 Aug 2019 2:39AM
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So, the Goya 85% is being made by Reglass... didn't know that. That's very good news for Goya riders i must say.
Claudio (from the video) is a man who knows how to make masts from the top line of the market. We have tested so many different masts every year i lost count but there were two for me that stands out in being a step up from all the other masts out there on wave sails and that was the Maverx X1000 supperleggero (340 and 370) and the Maverx MX100 (340 / 370).
T800 carbon , super light and mega fast reaction.
What also feels different ,and don't ask me how this is possible because i really don't know, is that every sail i used with the X1000 or MX100 in it goes more neutral (on/off) in the topturn.
Very special feeling.
The X1000 340 weight is 0,98 kg and the MX100 is 1.1 kg.
Goya has done a smart thing using Maverx/Reglass if you ask me.
Thanks for the movie link Northy

NormannD
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27 Aug 2019 3:19AM
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Just recieved this email from Jason Diffin from Goya:

Hey Troels,

Epic mail from you, hahaha thank you for the great questions!!!!

Appreciate your infos and perspective as well.

All the mast lengths in the product rage share the same spec size for size.

For example, the 400 RDM mast spec is 64.5%/79%/18 on all models-
-50%
-70%
-85%
-90%
-100%

Yes there is some difference in feel between the models mostly due to the weight and carbon content both of these factors, even with the same spec will make masts feel a bit different.

90% is the choice for a very nice feeling mast that really has to get pounded, hard, to break.
This is the full confidence mast.
Made in USA

85% and 70% are both lighter than 90%, and great choices as well, but not as ultimately strong as the 90%.
85% and 70% made in Italy.
We developed the 85% recently to offer a lighter version of 90% for the Europe market mostly, made in Europe.
Ive been using 85%, also Levi Siver...
Nice price point.

100% is made in Italy, and offers the lightest practical weight for a wave mast,,,, amazing feeling in the hands.,,, but when you make a mast that light, there is a higher chance of breakage for sure, I'm not going to try tell you a different story here.
This is the mast Marcilio is using, and he's had no trouble in the comps with durability,. but for sure the guy changes so hard that a lot of his masts end up exploding on huge impacts, but probably the 90% might have as well.

70% and 85% have a slightly softer feel than 90% and 100%.
This can be nice especially if you are a light guy, but even a heavier guy might appreciate the feel.,,, you can rig a lot of shape in to the sail and it still twists properly..

Hope this info helps Troels?

Let me know if you have any more questions..

Stoked that you come the Banzai sails!!! Thank you for kind words there and appreciating the work!

Cheers

Jason Diffin
sail design
Goya Windsurfing

DunkO
NSW, 1004 posts
27 Aug 2019 6:20AM
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That's a awesome honest response. Credit to Jason and Goya for saying it how it is.

forceten
782 posts
27 Aug 2019 10:31PM
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Thanks for posting that return email.



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