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Severne turbo GT 8.6m

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Created by jezcol > 9 months ago, 17 Sep 2016
jezcol
WA, 22 posts
17 Sep 2016 10:57PM
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Alright before I start I need to say a few things.
1. This is my first 8.6m sail so it might be a bit off in terms or feel ect.
2. I really haven't yet gave it a good work out, but I feel like there are some good talking point that I can point out already
3. I am still learning to gybe and really hook in properly so I am yet to get everything out of it.

okay saying that here is a few things I already notice with only taking it out twice.

It is a big sail and it feels big but it is super light for its size. I am not sure if severne have done something with there Sdm cams but this thing rotates better then any other sail I have, even sails I have without cams.

This is the first year they have put two cams below the boom and I think this is a good idea but I have never sailed a older turbo so I wouldn't be able to tell you the difference, but it has good bottom range power to get you through the lulls but can still vent air well through gusts.

So far I really like this sail and I think it will work for me quite well for lightish wind. Here are some photos and I hope it helps in some way.

Jesse









sonny2727
VIC, 114 posts
18 Sep 2016 5:57AM
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got a turbo with one cam above and one below, wonder what the rationale for changing cam positions...maybe this one feels lighter as this is the direction servene is heading with Turbo but what's the compromise

KJ
VIC, 115 posts
19 Sep 2016 9:25AM
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thanks for the photos jezcol, yes I would also be interested hear what the performance difference is between the 2016 and 2017 models. I do notice that my 2016 8.1 turbo when maxed out could do with a cam on the bottom batten, you can see the draft move on it. However like sonny2727, what is the compromise? does the batten above the boom move around too much? I really like the sail, I hope it's changed for the better

Rindwider
WA, 45 posts
20 Oct 2016 11:56AM
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I have had the opportunity to try TurboGTs in sizes 7.0, 7.5, 8.1, and 8.6 in a variety of wind strengths, so I thought I would add my thoughts to this thread. It’s a bit of a ramble, but hopefully there is some useful info for anyone that is interested.

Background:

I am lightweight (in both physical aspects (70kg) and, some would argue, ability!) and short. I tend to use sizes 7 and up in fairly light wind, so I don’t need the super locked in feel of 3 or 4 cam sails in those conditions, but early planning and being comfortable are higher priorities. Hence my look to move from the 2012 Overdrives with the big luff pocket and very locked in shape (not that they are a bad sail, just that with my lightweight I don’t get the best out of them in the conditions that I tend to use them). For my smaller sails I run a 6.2 Overdrive and 5.7 and 5.2 Firewings (all 3 cam sails rigged on RDMs). I have also tried out an older Turbo and an NCX.

I generally rig Severne sails on RDM flex top masts. I find that flex top masts work well for me in Severne sails as the power is kept low and the top/leech opens up early. I have done this since using early Code Reds and then through a succession of Overdrive vintages (2008, 2010, 2012). Every time I try a recommended mast I find the power sets too high for me. SDMs give a more locked in feel; better for top end but less springiness and can have tighter cam rotation.

Getting to the TurboGT: What has impressed me the most is the huge wind range, and the light and easy handling. I have weighed the 7.0 at 4.44kg and 8.1 at 4.94kg. The 7.0 is lighter than my 6.2 Overdrive (and the Overdrive feels light).

There is lots of tuning range with the out haul. You can bag it out to get lots of power (I’ve tried about 10cm less than spec), or take the outhaul up to spec and flatten it out for more control. When I get around to it I will set up my adjustable outhaul, as I reckon these sails would really benefit from it.

Having the two cams below the boom helps lock the power down low, whilst the rest of the sail behaves more like an NCX (no cam) – the sails still keeps the shape locked in above the cams, but you can depower controllably by sheeting out (a bit like a wave sail – it “luffs”). The contrast is with a fully cammed (or 3 cam) if you sheet out in an overpowered situation you actually depower the board and things can get out of shape quickly (I would depower a fully cammed sail by sheeting in).

My first session on the 7.0 was gusty ranging from almost becalmed to overpowered, so a good test. Others were out on 6-6.5 race sails, but the 7.0 GT handled it well. One stand out for me was how little fatigue I had at the end of the session – my impression afterwards was that it is forgiving and comfortable. Had 31knots on the dial of the GPS (which is about as fast as I go with such a big sail), so was pretty happy with that. Another benefit from the “comfort” that I am finding is that I can sail for much longer, leading to better GPSTC hours and total kms. The 7.0 rigs on a 430 mast (either RDM or SDM). Board used with the 7.0 was an RRD XFire 102.

I would generally sail the 8.1 in very light wind. Most of my first session was non planning, with the sail’s lightweight being a real bonus, (felt like a 6m wave sail in handling). The small gusts that did come along got me planning on a 130 litre freemove. Pumping on to the plane was helped by the loose leach. The 8.1 rigs on a 460 mast (either RDM or SDM). I have subsequently used the 8.1 in stronger wind, and it is also working well with more downhaul to lock in stability and get the top of the sail opening up even more (helping control). I have also found that the cam spacers can be used to good effect to push a bit more shape down low. Some more tuning for me to play around with there. Another bonus is being able to use the 8.1 on my 102 XFire with small fins (Vector Delta 27 and Vector Rockit 32).

I have also tried a preproduction 7.5 and 8.6.

Turbo GT compared to the older Turbo: Many aspects are very similar. To further compare with the older Overdrives (with the narrow luff pocket), there is a similarity between all (and I would guess that they are all part of the same evolutionary branch – with the later “racier” Overdrives getting much stronger genetic input from the Reflex whilst the Turbo more closely followed the original genes). The GT feels lighter than the Turbo, and I prefer the locked in shape below the boom (provided by the cam position) – remember I am short!

Compared to NCX: Not a lot between them when the sails are powered up. The GT has a bit more initial power in really light wind (eg going from lull to small gust) due to the cams providing initial shape. Once “inflated” the NCX still holds its shape into the next lull and therefore has similar “glide” to the GT. The cam rotation on the GT is so easy that it is a non-issue. I haven’t sailed the NCX overpowered so don’t know if the GT cams give more control in those conditions.

Compared to 2012 Overdrive: Overdrive has much more locked in power (as you would expect). The Overdrive is heavier, so for me in really light wind I notice the difference in dead weight. Cam rotation of the overdrive is much better when fully powered up, so when I use them underpowered they are not at their optimum. The GT cam rotation is so good that you barely notice it, even with no wind. Just get a reassuring “thwack”. The GT is much easier to water start. No big luff pocket to fill with water, and sail rotates by itself to the correct tack – no “cam flick” required while trying to get the sail airborne. When overpowered, the GT is easier to depower with “lazy” technique (sheeting out). A different pumping technique is required for me to get planing in light wind. The GT responds well to “flicking the leach”, whereas the Overdrive is more of a “scoop the power”. One minor quibble with the GT is that there is no tack strap.

So to sum up, I reckon that the Turbo GTs suit me pretty well for my lightwind sails, without significant compromises.

Hope that wasn't too much detail!
Cheers, Rindwider

sonny2727
VIC, 114 posts
1 Nov 2016 5:14AM
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new turbo has 6 battens (7 battens old one) and 2 cams below the boom so....

1.less stability and wind range
2.better handling and transition
3. suit light weights more as power below the boom

Sail is de-tuned for recreational use but if this is more like the no-cam NCX why bother with cams at all just get a NCX Whats the difference between this and UNIT with one cam? Are all these sails necessary in the first place?


Fred77
1 posts
4 Oct 2017 5:09AM
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Hi
I m looking for a 9.2 gt on a 130 firemove (I weight 84 kg). Did someone want to give us more feedback after a few month of use?

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6286 posts
4 Oct 2017 8:35AM
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Just read this thread for the first time.
I'm getting a 7.5m turbo GT soon so it sound great for what I want!
I weigh c 67kgs and used to use a 2013 7.8m OD. I liked it but as I use this combo in 5-16kts it was a heavy sail to sub plane with. I handled it well when I sailed regularly and was fit but I am coming back after a shoulder injury so I decided to go a slightly smaller sail with less weight.
I'd find in the summer NE's it didn't take much to get pretty overpowered with the 7.8m. The wind often rangstarts at 10- 12kts and builds to 18kts - 18kts can be brown pants stuff for me in chop with that combo...
I was also at the limit of my strength uphauling or waterstarting the 7.8m if it got to 16kts +
Hopefully I won't have to worry as much about the wind filling in with the 7.5m. I tend to like to stray a fair way from the launch so if it kicks in returning can be ' interesting".
I'm looking forward to the lightweight which should allow me to sail longer and be more comfortable.

joe windsurf
1362 posts
4 Oct 2017 6:53AM
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in North American one and only windsurf magazine WindSurfing Now "2017 gear guide" ...

Severne says ...
cambers all positioned under the boom ..."This locks in the shape a lot lower on the sail and makes it easy to control. Having all the depth in the bottom of the sail makes a huge difference in how light the sail feels, and really makes bigger sizes more accessible for a lot of people. It's a much lighter feeling sail than a no-cam design, and has the advantage of not deflating in the lulls, which keeps you planing a lot longer. We also developed some new cams for this sail, so rotation is incredibly easy and not noticeably different from a no-cam sail."

some people have echoed those comments here
for me Severne was a hard top sail and am surprised people use soft top RDM masts ...
and as someone said - if "not noticeably different from no-cam" then why bother ??

KJ
VIC, 115 posts
4 Oct 2017 8:58PM
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From my post back on the 26th of May, regarding the 2016 8.1 turbo and the 8.6GT


My rocket 135L is 76cm wide, its a 2016 model, I'm 87kg. I also have a 115L Tabou Rocket 66cm wide, plus 7.0m overdrive and 5.6, 6.2 Reflex 7 along with some speed boards.

Bernhard - Yes they are quite different sails. The 2016 8.1, feels more like a slalom sail, more like my overdrive. The top end is great, it doesn't get "back hand heavy" when starting to get over powered or a gust hits. Bottom end is ok, but not the greatest. It gybes well, the cams coming around quite easy, easier than my 7mOD, but not quite as easy as the GT. With my 135 is takes 12-13knts to get me going, its great fun 13-16knts, really like it in mod to powered conditions.

The GT is a different beast. There is a lot more area in the head of the sail. The bottom end on this thing is really good. I get going in 10-12knts with my 135L. There is a strong and steady pull with the bottom end, that pops you up onto the plane. The sail gybes really well with the cams popping over easily and the sail does feel light in the hands. However with sails there is always a compromise; it does get quite back handy heavy when it starts to get powered up and becomes uncomfortable to sail. You can't tune this out.

Even though the gap I have is only 0.5m between the sails, it's more like a 0.8-1.0m gap. I can't really make up my mind with the GT some times. I would like more top end, however my objective with the set up was for a light wind cruiser. I've tried 3-4 cam racers in the past in the large sizes, however they become very heavy when the wind is marginal. The GT is light and easy to flick around, almost feeling like a non cammed sail to manoeuver, it's really great in this regard. Overall the GT meets my light wind objective, I just change down early when the wind gets up

Subsonic
WA, 1351 posts
4 Oct 2017 10:14PM
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joe windsurf said..
in North American one and only windsurf magazine WindSurfing Now "2017 gear guide" ...

Severne says ...
cambers all positioned under the boom ..."This locks in the shape a lot lower on the sail and makes it easy to control. Having all the depth in the bottom of the sail makes a huge difference in how light the sail feels, and really makes bigger sizes more accessible for a lot of people. It's a much lighter feeling sail than a no-cam design, and has the advantage of not deflating in the lulls, which keeps you planing a lot longer. We also developed some new cams for this sail, so rotation is incredibly easy and not noticeably different from a no-cam sail."

some people have echoed those comments here
for me Severne was a hard top sail and am surprised people use soft top RDM masts ...
and as someone said - if "not noticeably different from no-cam" then why bother ??


Because a no cam closes up in the lulls.

Having sailed both im wondering why anyone would want to sail a no cam sail for anything other than waves/freestyle.

joe windsurf
1362 posts
5 Oct 2017 3:46AM
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i used to use ONLY cambered sails over 7 meters (cannot put ALT 254 here ??)
now I use mostly non-cambered and try to increase my wind minimums ... (reduce lulls)
if lulls are small enough, one can plane through them ...

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6286 posts
8 Oct 2017 2:51PM
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Just rigged my 7.5m and it rotates great and is superlight!
Even with an iffy shoulder with this light kit I think I'll get out and try some sailing in 10-15kts chop..
I could have given it a bit more downhaul ( to make it pully to pully) but it looked enough to me? I'll also put less outhaul on than this when I use it..
Pardon the grass or lack of..We haven't had any decent rain in months..







Imax1
VIC, 1485 posts
8 Oct 2017 4:01PM
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^^^
Nice looking sail , very shiny , pity to have to get it wet , almost as sexy as e V8
Keep that sail packing foam and hang it from the rear view mirror for that new sail smell .
Its funny how that new sail toxic plastic smell will now remind u of fun.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6286 posts
8 Oct 2017 4:14PM
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Imax1 said..
^^^
Nice looking sail , very shiny , pity to have to get it wet , almost as sexy as e V8
Keep that sail packing foam and hang it from the rear view mirror for that new sail smell .
Its funny how that new sail toxic plastic smell will now remind u of fun.


Funny I didn't notice the smell ..must be all the fresh air out here..

Storm Ahead
QLD, 67 posts
9 Oct 2017 10:09AM
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Nice looking sail sboard. Looks like Santa came early this year.

What RDM mast are you using? Did you have to buy RDM cams (or free swap)?

Looking forward to hearing how it compares to your older NCX.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6286 posts
9 Oct 2017 2:16PM
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Storm Ahead said..
Nice looking sail sboard. Looks like Santa came early this year.

What RDM mast are you using? Did you have to buy RDM cams (or free swap)?

Looking forward to hearing how it compares to your older NCX.



Using an SDM - Severne 460 Apex Pro mast.
It rigs great! The mast is lovely and light and narrower than previous SDM's I've had. This gives easy access for putting the boom on. The cutout is nice and wide so for once I will be able to lower the boom if I'm overpowered....

KJ
VIC, 115 posts
14 Oct 2017 12:09PM
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Imax1 said..
^^^
Nice looking sail , very shiny , pity to have to get it wet , almost as sexy as e V8
Keep that sail packing foam and hang it from the rear view mirror for that new sail smell .
Its funny how that new sail toxic plastic smell will now remind u of fun.


great looking sail - ah that look of new plastic and smell. You're a sick puppy Imax1, however I know truly what you mean

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6286 posts
21 Oct 2017 9:24AM
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I've only had it in 8-13kts on a RS4 ( 11ltres) in chop so I was underpowered most of the time and only caught a few gusts. I suspect it won't have the grunt lowdown or off the wind performance of the 7.8m OD..I was a little disappointed that I didn't get planing earlier but I was comparing it to the OD which was 3 cam and .03m larger plus I was using a pointer fin ( I was using a weedy this sail). I'm also not as fit as I was before so I was being very passive and not bearing off and trying to get going..
It was very mogully at times with large cruiser wakes and the combo handled that great ( easier to balance subplaning with the lighter sail ). I only dropped it once after a gybe and it was easy to uphaul.
So I haven't had a powered up session yet but as expected I've sacrificed a little performance and early planing ( 7.5m 2 cam rather than 7.8m 3 cam) for lightness and ease of use.
I'm looking forward to a lovely 12-16kts NE to see how it goes..
I did get going a few times..20kts top speed and c 7kts for the hr..The sail looks great on the water..





KJ
VIC, 115 posts
23 Oct 2017 9:40PM
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watch you don't poke your mast through the mast sleeve at the top. Just did to mine in the weekend playing around with it.

If the mast is a bit to hard to push all the way to the top from the bottom; go up to the top and pull some sleeve down the mast. The GT's mast sleeve is quite tight (not sure if they have improved this on the 2018's) and it seem to go with not a lot of effort -I should have known better. first one i've done

paddymac
WA, 914 posts
23 Oct 2017 8:31PM
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Sue, I think once you get the rigging sorted you should find more low end than an OD. I had an 8.6m OD and replaced it with an 8.6m Turbo and was very happy I did. I found the Turbo better suited for light winds and early planing - lightweight, easy to pump, wide tuning range. OD had better control and handling when used in higher winds. Don't be afraid to play with downhaul a little - I use about 2cm range. I also found across the Turbo range (I had 4 sizes) that rigging specs were inconsistent. My 6.5m was several cms off spec (confirmed by Ben S himself), my 8.6m was spot on. Enjoy!

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6286 posts
8 Nov 2017 10:24AM
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paddymac said..
Sue, I think once you get the rigging sorted you should find more low end than an OD. I had an 8.6m OD and replaced it with an 8.6m Turbo and was very happy I did. I found the Turbo better suited for light winds and early planing - lightweight, easy to pump, wide tuning range. OD had better control and handling when used in higher winds. Don't be afraid to play with downhaul a little - I use about 2cm range. I also found across the Turbo range (I had 4 sizes) that rigging specs were inconsistent. My 6.5m was several cms off spec (confirmed by Ben S himself), my 8.6m was spot on. Enjoy!


Thanks. I'm enjoying using an adjustable outhaul with it..Got quite a few new toys at the moment..so much to get used to! Still sanding , padding fins, changing footstraps and learning how to rig them all..

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6286 posts
8 Nov 2017 11:13AM
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I recently got an hr pb for location and the year using this combo. I rarely did planing gybes with the 7.8m Overdrive as it was too heavy and cumbersome for my size and I had to be really fit and strong. I did many planing gybes in this session with the turbo and that's with me still having a shoulder issue in the background..
So light and user friendly!

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6286 posts
13 Jan 2018 10:39AM
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I love the Turbo..terrific rotation, easy to do planing gybes in flatwater..very user friendly






BSN101
WA, 1326 posts
13 Jan 2018 10:20AM
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sboardcrazy said..
I love the Turbo..terrific rotation, easy to do planing gybes in flatwater..very user friendly






Blowing in to the sail is cheating! Lol

How's the camera? Stills & edit to come?

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6286 posts
13 Jan 2018 1:40PM
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BSN101 said..


sboardcrazy said..
I love the Turbo..terrific rotation, easy to do planing gybes in flatwater..very user friendly






Blowing in to the sail is cheating! Lol

How's the camera? Stills & edit to come?



Hey I hadn't thought of it that way.. It didn't work.. it was very lumpy from boat wakes..max speed only 22kts! Even I'm usually better than that.. I don't think the go pro footage from the day is really worth public exhibition as I'm not going very fast...I had someone taking photos late when the wind came in a bit better but to be in camera range I had to stick to the least windy areas..
I might post a short snippet from a better day with that combo.
The Excocet RS4 ( 11ltres) with the 7.5m Turbo is ideal for me in about 15kts..

BSN101
WA, 1326 posts
13 Jan 2018 12:46PM
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sboardcrazy said..

BSN101 said..



sboardcrazy said..
I love the Turbo..terrific rotation, easy to do planing gybes in flatwater..very user friendly







Blowing in to the sail is cheating! Lol

How's the camera? Stills & edit to come?




Hey I hadn't thought of it that way.. It didn't work.. it was very lumpy from boat wakes..max speed only 22kts! Even I'm usually better than that.. I don't think the go pro footage from the day is really worth public exhibition as I'm not going very fast...I had someone taking photos late when the wind came in a bit better but to be in camera range I had to stick to the least windy areas..
I might post a short snippet from a better day with that combo.
The Excocet RS4 ( 11ltres) with the 7.5m Turbo is ideal for me in about 15kts..


tiny board, thats the volume of my foot straps on my RB, lol

Looks nice out there all the same.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6286 posts
13 Jan 2018 3:30PM
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BSN101 said..

sboardcrazy said..


BSN101 said..




sboardcrazy said..
I love the Turbo..terrific rotation, easy to do planing gybes in flatwater..very user friendly








Blowing in to the sail is cheating! Lol

How's the camera? Stills & edit to come?





Hey I hadn't thought of it that way.. It didn't work.. it was very lumpy from boat wakes..max speed only 22kts! Even I'm usually better than that.. I don't think the go pro footage from the day is really worth public exhibition as I'm not going very fast...I had someone taking photos late when the wind came in a bit better but to be in camera range I had to stick to the least windy areas..
I might post a short snippet from a better day with that combo.
The Excocet RS4 ( 11ltres) with the 7.5m Turbo is ideal for me in about 15kts..



tiny board, thats the volume of my foot straps on my RB, lol

Looks nice out there all the same.


I was thinking you guys would think that.. Video on the way ..one segment really shows how easy and smooth the rotation is gybing..

sboardcrazy
NSW, 6286 posts
13 Jan 2018 4:11PM
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seanhogan
2928 posts
13 Jan 2018 3:57PM
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bloody nice jibe Sue !!!!!!!!!!

Orange Whip
QLD, 451 posts
13 Jan 2018 6:59PM
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Great little clip Sue, love the music too

joe windsurf
1362 posts
13 Jan 2018 8:15PM
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that video was in 10-16 knot winds ??
WOW
you fly girl !!



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