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Created by Gestalt 1 month ago, 17 Oct 2019
Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
17 Oct 2019 7:52PM
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would anyone have any leads on release date of the severne redback?

Ben1973
282 posts
17 Oct 2019 7:12PM
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Seems to be out in Finland.

Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
17 Oct 2019 10:27PM
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Ben1973 said..
Seems to be out in Finland.


cool thanks. do you have any links

Sea Lotus
55 posts
17 Oct 2019 9:18PM
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I am a very small guy, 165cm 63kg, so i was interested about this sail, so asked Dieter about it, here is the reply:
"The Redback will only be release later this year, it's a scaled down S1 one for the younger but also smaller riders. It's a high end sail with the same material as our normal S1 sails so no compromise their in quality. The key differences are that the clew is lower and the boom cut out as well. This will make it much more comfortable to ride and allow the younger and smaller riders to fully enjoy this high end sail."

I was planning to order one end of last month but my importer in Greece told me Severne doesn't accept orders yet, he said they will probably be ready to ship them on March-April shipments.

I ordered blade instead but looking forward for some user (small guys) reviews comparing blade and redback.

Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
18 Oct 2019 1:19PM
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Sea Lotus said..
I am a very small guy, 165cm 63kg, so i was interested about this sail, so asked Dieter about it, here is the reply:
"The Redback will only be release later this year, it's a scaled down S1 one for the younger but also smaller riders. It's a high end sail with the same material as our normal S1 sails so no compromise their in quality. The key differences are that the clew is lower and the boom cut out as well. This will make it much more comfortable to ride and allow the younger and smaller riders to fully enjoy this high end sail."

I was planning to order one end of last month but my importer in Greece told me Severne doesn't accept orders yet, he said they will probably be ready to ship them on March-April shipments.

I ordered blade instead but looking forward for some user (small guys) reviews comparing blade and redback.











I've got an order in for my son who's moving up to a 3.8m. I think the website says fall which is around now so it should be soon.

We have the 3m xs3 and a 2.6m custom redback. my son loves them. Says he'll never change brands now. they are very light and more affordable then the S1 if you include the mast and boom which are really well priced.

My sons friend is using a 3m S1with a 1.2kg duotone mast until his redback arrives. also a light setup. we will do some comparisons with the xs3, maybe even this weekend looking at forecast.

My son was going to have to switch from the xs3 to the s1 for the bigger sizes but once we were told by our local shop the redback sizing went up to 4.7m we were really happy to stay on redbacks for the next few years.

i'd say for smaller adults as well it's a no brainer going for the redback for everything except slalom/speed. not sure if the mast is suitable for small adults but if it is it's a much more affordable solution. the sails themselves are top shelf and designed to work as proper sails not kids sails although you could use them for that for learning. no other brand i'm aware of has put so much time and effort into smaller gear and it shows in the final product.

Gestalt
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18 Oct 2019 1:19PM
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great thanks.

Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
3 Nov 2019 8:59PM
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looks like the redback is in the wild in WA. from what I've been told east coast orders will start to turn up towards end of week.




Relapse
VIC, 312 posts
4 Nov 2019 12:08PM
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Gestalt said..
looks like the redback is in the wild in WA. from what I've been told east coast orders will start to turn up towards end of week.





Always very envious of my mates sons XS-3 when I'm on my 3.3m S1. Sails looks super comfy and soaks up gusts. Redback looks great.

I run my 3.3m S1 with the half batten which makes it softer and less twitchy. Really tempted to get a Redback instead but looks like a different mast and clew position will be a bit low for me @ 178cm

Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
4 Nov 2019 12:46PM
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I was going to do a direct comparison between the xs3 and the s1 but didn't realise the s1 we tinkered with previously was a 3.6m
One thing i can say is that the xs3 and redback are a lot lighter in the hands than s1. partly because the mast and boom are a lot lighter.

We'll have a 3.8m redback by the weekend if all goes to plans so will compare that to the 3.6m S1. I'll overlay them and look at clew and boom positions which are lower on the xs3 / redback.

My sons Current quiver is a 3m xs3 and a 2.6m custom redback.

I'm not an expert on the sails but agree the redback geometry is more geared to kids and smaller adults. At 178cm the S1 would be a better choice. from observation the S1 also looks stronger than the xs3 which is due to heavier materials. not sure with the production redback.

take it as gossip but I was told the redback is the xs3 with improved stability.

britzise
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Wednesday , 13 Nov 2019 9:53PM
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Hello - I just joint here looking out for the new redback - saw a prototyp shown at a freestyle event in the Netherlands an looks like it would be the best next fit for my daughter.
Joining the discussion on sail comparisons: My sons is riding the xs3 in 3 and 3,6 and the S1 in 4,4
The S1 in my opinion requires an absolute minimum size of 140cm bodyheight. under that the boom can't be adjusted within reach (below chin). My son is 144cm now, can adjust the boom comfortably, but the sail shape is not optimum for this very lowest position. The xs3s he is adjusting in mid position and that looks fine. Should be same with the redback in comparable sizes.
I don't like sails for the kids with long booms as you often find with special kid sets. My kids are very keen on freestyle and even the first tricks work much better if you don't have to handle over a long boom. And kids boards - especially my sons kids flare freestyle board - and also the beginner kids boards with centerfins react so easily that you don't need broad sail shapes.

One question to you @Gestalt; do you own the xs 3 as a set? I think the xs3 boom is missshaped: the plastic part that holds the trim cord at the tip of the boom is on top (instead of on the outside) and if you trimm it properly, the end it does not fit into the cut out edge. you have to adjust the boom way longer than necessary or you force the corner of the sail to bent which certainly damages the sail within some time. Happens on both sizes and as I said in mid position Same with S1 (even worse) when you use the xs3 boom.

I don't know if there is that much difference between redback and xs3 - according to the data sheets its heavier than the xs3 (in the small sizes even 200g bigger sizes even more but which is due to the additional batten). The forth batten which comes 3m and over is the main advantage I guess, as Gestalt mentioned with stability. - compared to the xs3.
-compared to the S1 I think price is the only advantage if you are tall enough, but I think for (most) adult body sizes I would go for an older S1 or even S1 pro which you should even get cheaper. xs3 seems best choice for lightness as for kids is useful.
S1 is not much heavier than redback. (e.g. S1=2,7kg in 4,4 and redback=2,5kg in 4,2 (4,4 does not exist). S1 pro is even lighter.

Basher
131 posts
Thursday , 14 Nov 2019 6:08AM
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Just a quick note on the S1s:
I have had these for several seasons and at first I found the boom cutaway really high on both the Severne S1s and on the Blades - including for the pro versions I had. I was often using the boom set right at the bottom of the cutaway, because I like a low boom for wave riding.

But the S1 boom cutaways were lowered for this last season (2019) and I now have 2020 S1s which have a noticeably longer cutaway, meaning the boom can go as high as before but you can also get it lower than for previous years.

This information is for other short arses like me who like a low boom - and just in case earlier comments about boom cutaway height were based on earlier versions of the S1.

Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
Thursday , 14 Nov 2019 9:01PM
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britzise said..
Hello - I just joint here looking out for the new redback - saw a prototyp shown at a freestyle event in the Netherlands an looks like it would be the best next fit for my daughter.
Joining the discussion on sail comparisons: My sons is riding the xs3 in 3 and 3,6 and the S1 in 4,4
The S1 in my opinion requires an absolute minimum size of 140cm bodyheight. under that the boom can't be adjusted within reach (below chin). My son is 144cm now, can adjust the boom comfortably, but the sail shape is not optimum for this very lowest position. The xs3s he is adjusting in mid position and that looks fine. Should be same with the redback in comparable sizes.
I don't like sails for the kids with long booms as you often find with special kid sets. My kids are very keen on freestyle and even the first tricks work much better if you don't have to handle over a long boom. And kids boards - especially my sons kids flare freestyle board - and also the beginner kids boards with centerfins react so easily that you don't need broad sail shapes.

One question to you @Gestalt; do you own the xs 3 as a set? I think the xs3 boom is missshaped: the plastic part that holds the trim cord at the tip of the boom is on top (instead of on the outside) and if you trimm it properly, the end it does not fit into the cut out edge. you have to adjust the boom way longer than necessary or you force the corner of the sail to bent which certainly damages the sail within some time. Happens on both sizes and as I said in mid position Same with S1 (even worse) when you use the xs3 boom.

I don't know if there is that much difference between redback and xs3 - according to the data sheets its heavier than the xs3 (in the small sizes even 200g bigger sizes even more but which is due to the additional batten). The forth batten which comes 3m and over is the main advantage I guess, as Gestalt mentioned with stability. - compared to the xs3.
-compared to the S1 I think price is the only advantage if you are tall enough, but I think for (most) adult body sizes I would go for an older S1 or even S1 pro which you should even get cheaper. xs3 seems best choice for lightness as for kids is useful.
S1 is not much heavier than redback. (e.g. S1=2,7kg in 4,4 and redback=2,5kg in 4,2 (4,4 does not exist). S1 pro is even lighter.




hi britzise.

the clew is a bit tight on the xs3 sail but the boom has a swivel head so I can push the clew end down slightly when outhauling. it's not a big issue for me but is noticeable. I do find the figures on the sail exact though. it is set and forget.

the xs3 material is very light. probably too light really. if the redback is slightly heavier i'd be happy.

I don't have the production redback as yet but did notice it's on the severne website now and lists boom cutout dimensions.

I really wish the mast sizes had a bit more flexibility though. if the 3.4 worked on the 300mm and the 3.8m worked on the 370 then there would be no need to buy a 340 mast. i'll probably end up getting the 4.2m for my son and rigging it on a 340 with longer extension.

Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
Saturday , 16 Nov 2019 6:01PM
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picked up a 3.8m redback and an xs3 330 80% rdm mast from surf fx today.

the sail looks fantastic. i think im more excited then the kids!! The kids said the sail looks sick. better than the xs3.

i think its built stronger than the xs3. it's definitely a different shape lying on the shop floor. will get some photos tomorrow and post.

Gestalt
QLD, 12206 posts
Sunday , 17 Nov 2019 2:32PM
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the cutout at the clew is gone this year.

my son says he likes the sail a lot. it feels light and comfortable just mucking around in the yard.

not sure if it stands out in the pics but the sail has a nice shape with good draft and twist. it's spongey like the s1. the xs3 was less spongey and a little flatter.

the sail feels like an adult wave sail to me. looking forward to some wind so we can get it on the water.








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