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R1DER
R1DER
WA
1476 posts
WA, 1476 posts
21 Apr 2014 8:12pm
Just curious what other people use. Do you use a fixed harness bar or one that slides?
Me= slider
BenKirk
BenKirk
NSW
600 posts
NSW, 600 posts
21 Apr 2014 11:20pm
not seen a slider since the 80's.
Hooksey
Hooksey
WA
558 posts
WA, 558 posts
21 Apr 2014 9:22pm

slider for waves

fixed for flat water blasting / slalom..

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23674 posts
WA, 23674 posts
21 Apr 2014 9:28pm
Been using a fixed for ever.

Bought a F.O Indie harness last season with a slider and love it.
Would not use fixed now.


Man0verBoard
Man0verBoard
WA
629 posts
WA, 629 posts
22 Apr 2014 12:06am
Fixed, though I plan to go back and give the sliding bar another go as I get peeved being restricted when pointing upwind
Mastbender
Mastbender
1972 posts
1972 posts
22 Apr 2014 1:43am
Slider always, I sail in waves mostly. I like to rotate my hips so I'm facing in the direction that I'm going, it gives me better leverage on the board and rig, as well as improving my vision of the water texture.
There are few sliders left in the market, but you can get a slider conversion for the DaKine NRC waist harness, which I use and like.
What I would really like to see is for DaKine to bring back the "surf seat", it had a slider configuration with a high hook, best harness ever IMO, but they quit making them. The legs tire out quicker with a waist harness.
Dean 424
Dean 424
NSW
440 posts
NSW, 440 posts
22 Apr 2014 9:09am
I use to have DAKine surf seat as well till it basically fell apart after years of use. I have now changed to a Blank Force convertible harness which is actually a kiting one, but I like the high hook and fact it changes between a high seat and waist harness. Still prefer the DA Kine Surf Seat as it was lighter, but the Blank Force is a pretty solid harness with good support.

ikw777
ikw777
QLD
2995 posts
QLD, 2995 posts
22 Apr 2014 7:48pm
Using fixed right now but wish it was a slider. Used to have a Surf-Seat too. Was awesome. Using a Fusion now - would be good if it slid.
barn
barn
WA
2960 posts
WA, 2960 posts
22 Apr 2014 8:09pm
Fixed spreader bar, slack harness.. So rather than have the hook move, just turn your body in the harness. Also means you can run the waist harness lower.

I can't understand doing a harness up tight, it's so uncomfortable not being able to change positions..

Anyone seen that dude at Sandy Point with two hooks?
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
24 Apr 2014 4:14am
Hook up hook down ........but you gotta be able to slide around
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
1492 posts
WA, 1492 posts
24 Apr 2014 9:39am
Slider all the way, every time I try to use a fixed bar, I get catapulted all the time.
Hooksey
Hooksey
WA
558 posts
WA, 558 posts
24 Apr 2014 3:21pm
king of the point said...
Hook up hook down ........but you gotta be able to slide around


KOTP - You are a poet and I didn't even know it...

Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7279 posts
WA, 7279 posts
24 Apr 2014 5:26pm
Seems like there are a lot of sliders who tack both ways.

And I thought it was only kiters who were into that sort of thing.
AyreForce1
AyreForce1
NSW
344 posts
NSW, 344 posts
24 Apr 2014 8:07pm
I had a slider of some sort, way back, think it was a Pryde, whatever, it worked well and was definitely less stressful on the spine. Can't remember whether it eventually fell apart, or maybe I lost it. I've been searching for a modern version but have not found one yet. Maybe we could invite DaKine and Pryde etc to this forum topic and hope that they might be prepared to reintroduce a new and improved slider.
waterpistol
waterpistol
NSW
125 posts
NSW, 125 posts
10 May 2014 7:21pm
Have been using a slider forever. As the harness wears out i just swap the bar over to the new one I now have a north pryde harness.
Relic
Relic
TAS
838 posts
TAS, 838 posts
11 May 2014 8:50am
I used my Da Kinetic Surf Seat with a sliding bar till last year. The original aluminium bar wore out years ago. I had a stainless one on it since.The plastic buckle shattered during an ugly catapult. So I replaced it with a Naish seat harness with a fixed bar. The leg straps are uncomfortable and it's hard to swim in the surf unlike the Da Kine Surf Seat. Finally I got a Da Kine Chameleon waist harness with a fixed bar. IMO this one eats them both.
It provides great back support and allows plenty of body twist. I like to wear it tight, but that's personal preference. It would work fine worn loose. It's also by far the easiest to swim in.
AyreForce1
AyreForce1
NSW
344 posts
NSW, 344 posts
12 May 2014 11:49pm
Question for all those who favour a slider:
How much side to side 'slide' do these harnesses provide? For example is it about 10cm (ie. 5cm either side of centre)?

Mastbender
Mastbender
1972 posts
1972 posts
13 May 2014 2:29am
Depends on how wide the spreader is, I found a spreader bar from an old harness for girls that is only about 8" wide, which is shorter than the usual 10 to 12" wide. It gives me plenty of slide, which I prefer.

It also depends on the harness, as to how far apart the buckles are.
kato
kato
VIC
3530 posts
VIC, 3530 posts
16 May 2014 3:18pm
barn said...
Fixed spreader bar, slack harness.. So rather than have the hook move, just turn your body in the harness. Also means you can run the waist harness lower.

I can't understand doing a harness up tight, it's so uncomfortable not being able to change positions..

Anyone seen that dude at Sandy Point with two hooks?


AMAC
AyreForce1
AyreForce1
NSW
344 posts
NSW, 344 posts
26 May 2014 10:37pm
I've still got the same question; would like more responses:
Question for those who favour a slider:

How much side to side hook movement/slide does your harness provide?
For example is it about 10cm (ie. 5cm either side of centre)?

[I'm not interested in wearing my harness loose to achieve this. Rather be snug and secure and know exactly where the hook is.]
PLANETNANS
PLANETNANS
WA
21 posts
WA, 21 posts
2 Jul 2014 7:50pm
I use a slider and although it sometimes ends up on wrong side especially after a catapult a hip shimmy and job done!

Am sure there are times when I am going to come off but the slider allows a bit of error and you can catch yourself before swimming.


WindWarrior
WindWarrior
NSW
1019 posts
NSW, 1019 posts
3 Jul 2014 5:07pm
Just went back to a slider after 7 years on a fixed...
LOVING IT

Dakine T6 is the bomb !!!
AyreForce1
AyreForce1
NSW
344 posts
NSW, 344 posts
4 Jul 2014 12:04pm




WindWarrior,
Is this the slider that you've got?
Wondering if the retaining strap on which the hook slides stays tight?
Looks like it would stretch out, get a bit loose, and then become awkward to unhook?
WindWarrior
WindWarrior
NSW
1019 posts
NSW, 1019 posts
4 Jul 2014 6:16pm
Gday AF1,

nope I don't have that bar.
The new T6 Dakine has the standard spreader with two metal loops that the webbing loops through.
To try and answer some of your questions, the bar on mine moves/sides about 10cm each way BUT that is dependent on how tight you crank down the belt that runs through the spreader. The tighter you crank it the less movement. If I crank mine as tight as is comfortable it will only slide about 2mm in each direction.

If you want more movement/slide... you simply rig it looser.
Note, there is a waist velcro belt that stops the harness from moving laterally up and down your torso and from rotating around your waist so you can have the harness reasonably tight (beer gut dependent) but the actual spreader belt as loose as you want.

I actually sailed today using a fixed harness/spreader bar after 12 days on the Dakine and hated it (the fixed spreader has a GoPro mount on the back which is why I used it today)

The dakine T6 is the best harness I have ever had or used. The comfort form fit of the harness body itself is simply incredible.

AyreForce1
AyreForce1
NSW
344 posts
NSW, 344 posts
4 Jul 2014 6:36pm
G'darvo WindWarrior,
Is it possible that the 'Maniac' might be a better bar option than what you've got?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23674 posts
WA, 23674 posts
5 Jul 2014 12:01am
^^^ that looks like a kite bar

The hook is unsafe for windsurfing, if you get twisted up you'd be farked. People seem to be forgetting that nowadays as kite harnesses are so available and many windsurfers use them



Also, is that all fabric (ie: no metal from one side to the other, only metal loops on each end of a nylon fabric strap)???

eyeMhardcor
eyeMhardcor
255 posts
255 posts
5 Jul 2014 11:59am
Slider or fixed? You guys are pussies. I don't use a harness so I can look like Arnie.
sailquik
sailquik
VIC
6171 posts
VIC, 6171 posts
20 Sep 2014 5:22pm
barn said..
Fixed spreader bar, slack harness.. So rather than have the hook move, just turn your body in the harness. Also means you can run the waist harness lower.

I can't understand doing a harness up tight, it's so uncomfortable not being able to change positions..

Anyone seen that dude at Sandy Point with two hooks?


Opposite here. Firm harness with sliding spreader bar. It needs to move about 3 inches so I can turn my hips in the direction of travel, especially when sailing upwind. I have a couple of Da Kine speed seats that work well and an older North race harness that I continue to rebuild and repair indefinitely.

Two hooks on spreader bar? That would be Andrew McDougal, founder of KA Sails Australia. Same principle as me but fixed bar with two offset hooks. One for each tack. I think AMac ordered a few boxes of them years ago when he had Wild Winds and he still has them stashed away in reserve for his personal use!
Alewi62
Alewi62
QLD
158 posts
QLD, 158 posts
21 Sep 2014 12:20pm
Here is a picture of a sliding bar from the early days. I found on ebay. I have one the same somewhere - not in this condition though.




K Dog
K Dog
VIC
1847 posts
VIC, 1847 posts
21 Sep 2014 12:57pm
Slider
Jeroensurf
Jeroensurf
1127 posts
1127 posts
26 Sep 2014 5:01am
Slider.
Tried some fixxed Harnesses because every Dakine I got is finnished after mx 2 year because the crappy stiching, but can,t get used to the fixxys.
The Dakine Maniac looks like a great way to convert a normall harness into a slider :)
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