Finally finished editing my back-to-back comparison of the 777 LTX 5.5 and Ozone Pocket Rocket V2 5.7. I tested them in around 15 kts, right in the Pocket Rocket’s range and at the lower end of the LTX’s. I originally went into the comparison focused mainly on upwind performance, but after going through the GPS data and switching between them, I realised the more interesting discussion was actually happening elsewhere. In my opinion, for a big parawing, packability and the whole stow/redeploy workflow can be just as important as pure upwind performance — especially when doing laps and repeated downwind runs. I’ve included GPS analysis, handling impressions, and a side-by-side look at packing/stowing in the video. Curious what you prioritize more in a big parawing: pure flying performance or how easy it is to get it out of the way once you’re on foil?

I have the 7.2 LTX the bar pressure is less then my previous Ozone v1. I can manage that wing up to 18-20 knots. BTW very impressed with LTX. Hybrid from 4m down. And bigger sizes LTX.

Retina said..
I have the 7.2 LTX the bar pressure is less then my previous Ozone v1. I can manage that wing up to 18-20 knots. BTW very impressed with LTX. Hybrid from 4m down. And bigger sizes LTX.

As I said before, it’s just a different kind of pull in my opinion. As soon as you hang on the harness on the 777s the residual pull on the bar almost disappears, but I’m talking about pure pull when sailing without an harness

Pacoo said..
At 15 knt I will be on the PR V2 5m or even on the 4,3m comfortably. I do not think you are comparing the right sizes, which is part of the question: why use a 5.7 m if I can use a much smaller size?

For sure, you can be on a 5.0 or a 4.3, but you'll pay for it in VMG and probably need to be on a bigger foil too (I was on the 850S). Furthermore, if I had used a smaller PR, I'm sure someone here would say I'm not even comparing the right sizes because I'm on a 5.5 LTX... 😅

AnyBoard said..

Pacoo said..
At 15 knt I will be on the PR V2 5m or even on the 4,3m comfortably. I do not think you are comparing the right sizes, which is part of the question: why use a 5.7 m if I can use a much smaller size?

Its a valid point and particularly when so much weight is given in a review to the stow. It largely depends on rider weight. I note scheggia reviewing a 3.6m PR v1 in only 13 knots in a previous review against a gong 4m so i would expect that he is not a heavy weight. Very good VMG can be maintained on a PRv2 in 15 knots by someone on a 4.3 up to maybe 78 kg on downwind foils. Maybe a 5m makes sense for up to 90 kg at 15 knots. My friend at well over 100kg seems to be well powered at 15 knots on a 5.7.
How much rider weight will the LTX pull and still make good VMG in 15 knots. Then you can compare apples for apples on the stow and comfort.

I'm 70 kg. When I compared the PR V1 against the Gong 4.0, I was on my 100L DW board and a downwind foil (770R). In this comparison I was on my 73L mid-length and a "surf" foil (850S). I started appreciating bigger parawings after trying the Skin 5.4. It gave me a lot more range with my smaller board and foil, while still packing really well. The LTX takes that concept even further: it packs even better, has better VMG throughout the range, loses a touch of low end, and gives you tons of high end. In fact, the more powered it gets, the better its VMG becomes. The PR V2 5.7 definitely gives you better VMG and a better overall range than the Skin 5.4, but for me it's still a nightmare to pack. Again, if I'd tested the PT-Skin 5.4 against the PR V2 5.7, I most probably wouldn't have decided to change my parawing. Same thing that I did after trying the PR v1, I just decided that it wasn't worth the change.... But as soon as I tried the LTX 5.5 against the Skin 5.4, I came home and placed an order. Exactly the same thing happened the first time I tried the 4.3 Hybrid during a demo: I came home and ordered one. For me, it's really that simple.

Jve said..
You didn't talk much about wind range. Approximately what would you think your comfortable wind range would be with these?

With the LTX I'm comfortable from around 10kts (dw board and 1130S foil) to around 25. The PRv2 was borrowed from a friend and tested 3 sessions from around 12 kts to 15-17. Always with my mid length. I think I can easily make it fly in less than 10 kts with my dw board, and at 17 I was feeling kind of far from his top end. I think with the PRv2 5.7 compared to the LTX 5.5 you gain a 1-2 kts on the low end and you loose 3-4 kts in the top end.

Retina said..
Great video! Guess pr V2 has better low end?

thanks mate, yes, 1-2 kts better I would say

BWalnut said..
Low end difference fairly well expected. Ranges are quite different on them.

PRv2 published range covers maybe 7-8 knots?:


LTX published range covers maybe 13 knots?:

Declared ranges are always a bit tricky, especially at the lower end. There are just too many variables. My low end with the same parawing can change by 3–4 knots just by switching to my downwind board, and there's at least another couple of knots of difference between my bigger and smaller foils. I mean, with the LTX 5.5 I can take off in 10 knots with my DW board and the 1130S, but I'll need around 15 knots with my mid-length and the 850S.

scheggia said..

AnyBoard said..

Pacoo said..
At 15 knt I will be on the PR V2 5m or even on the 4,3m comfortably. I do not think you are comparing the right sizes, which is part of the question: why use a 5.7 m if I can use a much smaller size?

Its a valid point and particularly when so much weight is given in a review to the stow. It largely depends on rider weight. I note scheggia reviewing a 3.6m PR v1 in only 13 knots in a previous review against a gong 4m so i would expect that he is not a heavy weight. Very good VMG can be maintained on a PRv2 in 15 knots by someone on a 4.3 up to maybe 78 kg on downwind foils. Maybe a 5m makes sense for up to 90 kg at 15 knots. My friend at well over 100kg seems to be well powered at 15 knots on a 5.7.
How much rider weight will the LTX pull and still make good VMG in 15 knots. Then you can compare apples for apples on the stow and comfort.

I'm 70 kg. When I compared the PR V1 against the Gong 4.0, I was on my 100L DW board and a downwind foil (770R). In this comparison I was on my 73L mid-length and a "surf" foil (850S). I started appreciating bigger parawings after trying the Skin 5.4. It gave me a lot more range with my smaller board and foil, while still packing really well. The LTX takes that concept even further: it packs even better, has better VMG throughout the range, loses a touch of low end, and gives you tons of high end. In fact, the more powered it gets, the better its VMG becomes. The PR V2 5.7 definitely gives you better VMG and a better overall range than the Skin 5.4, but for me it's still a nightmare to pack. Again, if I'd tested the PT-Skin 5.4 against the PR V2 5.7, I most probably wouldn't have decided to change my parawing. Same thing that I did after trying the PR v1, I just decided that it wasn't worth the change.... But as soon as I tried the LTX 5.5 against the Skin 5.4, I came home and placed an order. Exactly the same thing happened the first time I tried the 4.3 Hybrid during a demo: I came home and ordered one. For me, it's really that simple.

scheggia said..

AnyBoard said..

Pacoo said..
At 15 knt I will be on the PR V2 5m or even on the 4,3m comfortably. I do not think you are comparing the right sizes, which is part of the question: why use a 5.7 m if I can use a much smaller size?

Its a valid point and particularly when so much weight is given in a review to the stow. It largely depends on rider weight. I note scheggia reviewing a 3.6m PR v1 in only 13 knots in a previous review against a gong 4m so i would expect that he is not a heavy weight. Very good VMG can be maintained on a PRv2 in 15 knots by someone on a 4.3 up to maybe 78 kg on downwind foils. Maybe a 5m makes sense for up to 90 kg at 15 knots. My friend at well over 100kg seems to be well powered at 15 knots on a 5.7.
How much rider weight will the LTX pull and still make good VMG in 15 knots. Then you can compare apples for apples on the stow and comfort.

I'm 70 kg. When I compared the PR V1 against the Gong 4.0, I was on my 100L DW board and a downwind foil (770R). In this comparison I was on my 73L mid-length and a "surf" foil (850S). I started appreciating bigger parawings after trying the Skin 5.4. It gave me a lot more range with my smaller board and foil, while still packing really well. The LTX takes that concept even further: it packs even better, has better VMG throughout the range, loses a touch of low end, and gives you tons of high end. In fact, the more powered it gets, the better its VMG becomes. The PR V2 5.7 definitely gives you better VMG and a better overall range than the Skin 5.4, but for me it's still a nightmare to pack. Again, if I'd tested the PT-Skin 5.4 against the PR V2 5.7, I most probably wouldn't have decided to change my parawing. Same thing that I did after trying the PR v1, I just decided that it wasn't worth the change.... But as soon as I tried the LTX 5.5 against the Skin 5.4, I came home and placed an order. Exactly the same thing happened the first time I tried the 4.3 Hybrid during a demo: I came home and ordered one. For me, it's really that simple.

I am just under your weight and riding similar very sized foils and board.

3.6m PR V1 13 knot test with 770R = a little less than ideal wind to test VMG.

15 Knots with a 5.7 PRv2 is pretty unnecessary. I am really powered on a 4.3 V2 and starting to think 3.6 if it is even slightly above 15 consistently. I can easily match your reviewed 5.7 PR VMG on a 4.3?
I don't know the the 777 LTX range but it sounds like you need the 5.5 in 15 knots as you say in the review you were on the bottom end of the wind range.
Now how would your review outcome change if you compare the 4.3 PRV2 with the 5.5LTX? How much nicer is a 4.3 to fly and pack up than a 5.5LTX?
People are spending big dollars on this stuff and we come here to try and minimize the bad decisions we have all made in the past. You guys have convinced that at the lighter end the hybrids and the LTX don't make sense but i had to read between the lines.