JY77 said..
Thanks again for all your help. After driving 7 hours to find a Duotone dealer with stock and resisting the pressure of their no. 1 selling axis spitfire. I went for a fresh new update. Updated my sky wing 2022 5'0"board , HA 2000 foil /Al3.0 82 mast and 78 fuse to
2024 sky style 5'1" duotone board, fanatic 82 carbon mast and 68 carbon fuse and Duotone 1305 Aero glide foil. I will give some feed back once I have spent some time on it. The main difficulty I have experienced so far is going from the 78 fuse to 68 is a lot harder to pop up on foil in 12 knots

Just had my first session, on the above new Duotone Equipment in 13 -20 knot gusty conditions, at the river mouth in flat water. First impressions is that all the advice from Craig is spot on. The 1305 Glide felt like I was ridding my old 1250 HA and was just as easy if not easier then the 2000HA to get going, as it didn't lift as abruptly. Still managed to comfortably handle the 22 knot gusts with the harness lines hooked in. It was a pleasure to gybe and tack, so smooth. Looking forward to trying it in small wind swell next. I was using my 6m 2023 Slick SLS

CraigGDuotone said..

MProject04 said..
Advice from the boss himself.. couldn't get any better

thanks, don't want to jump in on every topic, but sometimes it's good to just to mention the options. And then get the user comments to see if they agree!

Have been ridding the 1305 glide, with the 68 fuse on my 85L sky style in 10-17 knots. Launching off the beach in on onshore conditions in a very bumpy and tidal area. I would normally take out my 2000Ha and 78 fuse and have no drama with a couple of pumps and up. I notice on the Glide I struggle a lot more in these conditions and often take 5 goes or 20 min of getting washed back into shore before I get up. Obviously there is a different technique to get this foil up quick, before the gust goes and the waves nock you off. I am finding the Rodeo start seams to be better then the stinkbug in the waves but i am taking too long to get foiling and miss the gust and then get washed back into shore. Every now and then I get up and the foil just takes off it is so much fun to ride. Tacking and gybing is so much easier to carry speed though the turns and riding one handed is a breeze whilst keeping you speed riding with the swell down wind compared to the HA2000. Any tips to get this foil up would be much appreciated.

Hi Guys, indeed that is the one "weak point" of the 1305 - once riding it feels like you have a much bigger foil under your feet, due to the higher aspect. But it is indeed a big jump from the HA2000, in terms of starting power, especially for heavier riders. One option is to go with a bigger back wing, a friend of mine is using the 300 back wing from the 2000 setup and loves it - personally too big for my 75kg's, but I also use a bigger back wing on some of my foils for super light winds, it really makes a big difference. So using the 250C or 300C from the Free range (or previously from the Fanatic range 250/300 from the HA), could well help to get going in the lighter winds.

Besides that, pumping technique is obviously important and can always be improved/starting more on your favourite side also helps in super light winds, I can definitely get up and go on one side far better than the other in marginal conditions, by better pumping technique on both the board and wing.

Anyway, good to hear you are happy with the 1305! Another great light wind "performance" wing is the Carve 2.0 1430, currently my favourite allrounder for the lightest freestyle sessions, still with a decent top end speed and good glide.

CraigGDuotone said..
Hi Guys, indeed that is the one "weak point" of the 1305 - once riding it feels like you have a much bigger foil under your feet, due to the higher aspect. But it is indeed a big jump from the HA2000, in terms of starting power, especially for heavier riders. One option is to go with a bigger back wing, a friend of mine is using the 300 back wing from the 2000 setup and loves it - personally too big for my 75kg's, but I also use a bigger back wing on some of my foils for super light winds, it really makes a big difference. So using the 250C or 300C from the Free range (or previously from the Fanatic range 250/300 from the HA), could well help to get going in the lighter winds.

Besides that, pumping technique is obviously important and can always be improved/starting more on your favourite side also helps in super light winds, I can definitely get up and go on one side far better than the other in marginal conditions, by better pumping technique on both the board and wing.

Anyway, good to hear you are happy with the 1305! Another great light wind "performance" wing is the Carve 2.0 1430, currently my favourite allrounder for the lightest freestyle sessions, still with a decent top end speed and good glide.

Thanks for the tips, i will give it ago over the next 4 weeks and see what difference it makes . I am definitely happy with the foil when up and ridding. Just qurious though would the cave 1430 be easier to pump up onto foil.

Very happy and I could have pushed it harder but was getting a bit risky in those bumps with my skill level getting back up onto foil LOL.

CraigGDuotone said..
Hi Guys, indeed that is the one "weak point" of the 1305 - once riding it feels like you have a much bigger foil under your feet, due to the higher aspect. But it is indeed a big jump from the HA2000, in terms of starting power, especially for heavier riders. One option is to go with a bigger back wing, a friend of mine is using the 300 back wing from the 2000 setup and loves it - personally too big for my 75kg's, but I also use a bigger back wing on some of my foils for super light winds, it really makes a big difference. So using the 250C or 300C from the Free range (or previously from the Fanatic range 250/300 from the HA), could well help to get going in the lighter winds.

Besides that, pumping technique is obviously important and can always be improved/starting more on your favourite side also helps in super light winds, I can definitely get up and go on one side far better than the other in marginal conditions, by better pumping technique on both the board and wing.

Anyway, good to hear you are happy with the 1305! Another great light wind "performance" wing is the Carve 2.0 1430, currently my favourite allrounder for the lightest freestyle sessions, still with a decent top end speed and good glide.

I have tried using bigger back wings and it does help to some degree to get up but you lose that acceleration feeling and performance a d it feels more like the old 2000 HA. I can only seam to get up on the 1305 glide with my 6m sls slick and 5'1 skystyle when the average wind is 16 knots. For me to be able to ride ride in 10 -15 knots would it be better, performance wise to get a bigger glide foil or a duotone ventis 8m?

leepasty said..

JY77 said..

CraigGDuotone said..
Hi Guys, indeed that is the one "weak point" of the 1305 - once riding it feels like you have a much bigger foil under your feet, due to the higher aspect. But it is indeed a big jump from the HA2000, in terms of starting power, especially for heavier riders. One option is to go with a bigger back wing, a friend of mine is using the 300 back wing from the 2000 setup and loves it - personally too big for my 75kg's, but I also use a bigger back wing on some of my foils for super light winds, it really makes a big difference. So using the 250C or 300C from the Free range (or previously from the Fanatic range 250/300 from the HA), could well help to get going in the lighter winds.

Besides that, pumping technique is obviously important and can always be improved/starting more on your favourite side also helps in super light winds, I can definitely get up and go on one side far better than the other in marginal conditions, by better pumping technique on both the board and wing.

Anyway, good to hear you are happy with the 1305! Another great light wind "performance" wing is the Carve 2.0 1430, currently my favourite allrounder for the lightest freestyle sessions, still with a decent top end speed and good glide.

I have tried using bigger back wings and it does help to some degree to get up but you lose that acceleration feeling and performance a d it feels more like the old 2000 HA. I can only seam to get up on the 1305 glide with my 6m sls slick and 5'1 skystyle when the average wind is 16 knots. For me to be able to ride ride in 10 -15 knots would it be better, performance wise to get a bigger glide foil or a duotone ventis 8m?

How heavy are you? I'm 93 kg & can go on 1305 in 8-10 knts no probs with 5.5 & 5'1. On the Glides don't pump the foil too hard more like small taps, if too hard on foil it won't take off

95Kg I have the foot staps all the way back and the mast forward of centre. So just wing pumps with little board pumping

Is that that on the sky style. I ride with the centre of the mast on the front two numbers think they are I and II I have tried the straps in the front position but it seems to nose dive in the gusts. Might give it another go

leepasty said..
I ride footstraps at front foil finger width from front of box on 60 fuse with 180 tail. no back strap

Is that mast position just for light winds, and does 60 fuse move foil closer to mast than 68 carbon?

Final thoughts of the 1305 Glide. It has been a learning experience going from the 140L sky wing, 2000 HA foil and 6m slick sls to the 85L sky style and 1305 glide. Going to the smaller board and foil with current size 6m wing was tough off the beach but fine in flat water. I could ride on the bigger foil and small board but the foil was not as fun to ride as the glide 1305 so I persisted to pump my arms off and walk up the beach to get going in 8-14 knots off the beach in tide. I was getting so frustrated changing tail size but not liking the extra drag and loss of performance. Changing shims but also lost performance and increased drag. I thought this foil and small board thing was a waist of time and money. However my last resort was to try the 8m Ventis and my Gosh. This wing is a perfect match for the glide I am ripping in 8-14 knots and only have to sheet an go with very minimal pumping, I can even get foiling on my knees if i pump on my knees. It even lets me ride up to 18-20 knots. Everything got easy tacking gybing pump and glide.. so my advice is that there are probably good and bad combinations out there but when you have an efficient foil and the right wing it is so much fun. This wing turned my setup from painful endless attempts to now foiling every day with ease.

Yes I think your right the 8m ventis allowed we to have fun on the water without a great pumping technique. Maybe in time and as I get better I can drop back down a wing size. Have you used the 1080 glide or is it too close to the 1305

Jacketless said..
Hey all,

Really useful and detailed thread, thanks guys!

Quick question on your thoughts- I'm looking at getting a glide for my partner- she's past the beginner stage now jibing and taking her first waves in 15-22 knt conditions with a 4m wing, she's currently on an aero free 1250 and 75l sky wing. She's about 55kgs and I'm hesitating between the glide 905 or 1085. I personally think the 905 would be amazing but I know she struggles getting up on foil in wavey or lighter conditions, so perhaps the 1085 would be a safer if less progressive option.

Any advice?

I'm around 75kg and can get going on the 1080 in around 13 knots with a 4.8 hand wing. At 55kg, I reckon the 1080 would be waaay too big. Try the 905. I'm on the 725 once it's a solid 17-18 knots. The Glide's require a slightly different pumping technique than the Aero's (more finesse on the back foot, different cadence), but once dialled, I reckon they're awesome.

908 for sure the 1080 would be too big for her size. It wont matter if you go the 1080 or 908 in regards to getting up they both require a different technique which you will have to be patient until you get good at it. I found to help the learning process its best to go a wind wing size a little bigger then the one you normally use until you get efficient at getting up.

Thanks so much for the advice everyone, really useful. Yeah my feeling was that better to go lower area for a front wing to use when it's pumping wind, and you seem to have all confirmed that.

JY77 said..
Yes I think your right the 8m ventis allowed we to have fun on the water without a great pumping technique. Maybe in time and as I get better I can drop back down a wing size. Have you used the 1080 glide or is it too close to the 1305

I've been learning with the 1305 glide, 105L board (I'm ~93kg) and it was a great choice to learn on and gives me a lighter wind foil now as technique improves.

I agree the larger sail/wing helps when learning, I started winging 3 months ago and have been using a 6m and in hindsight should have gone 6.5+ to complement my 5m. Have used the 1085 glide recently also and as long as there is wind it feels better all round.. easier to turn, more stable at speed, easier to gybe, only downside is it's harder to get onto the foil in marginal conditions and as a beginner and I find myself going back to the 1305 on those days sub 15knts.