Downwind foil for minimal conditions

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tartine
tartine
9 posts
9 posts
26 Sep 2026 5:42pm
Hey folks,
I want to feed on your experience/knowledge/patience again.

Assuming closed sea conditions (Baltic) and a casual approach to (para)wingfoiling, what are working options for gliding on the smallest chop one can find ?

I am not ready to swap my beginner foil set yet but would gladly doom scroll in that direction.

Mast size , aspect ratio, span, what does matter ?

Thanks.
ZeroVix
ZeroVix
383 posts
383 posts
27 Sep 2026 2:23am
What is your weight? Skill level? Where do you exactly ride? What gear do you have now?

You are again approaching things from the wrong directions. Swells are not static data. Where you ride swells is completely different from where I ride. The size and energy (currents, wind direction, length of waves.... so many factors).

If you want help, tell us about your self, your conditions, some back ground, your country (ability to buy in your country).

Nobody is going to tell you without any information that you need a 1100cm2, AR 11, with a bit of concave in the front wing, tips pointing down, 145 stab, 630 fuse, 75cm mast with UHM (tapered, point A 14mm width, 140 cord, point C 12mm width, 100 cord).


tartine
tartine
9 posts
9 posts
27 Sep 2026 3:06am
Fair enough,
I am around 70 kg,
I am riding in southern Fyn (Denmark, Baltic sea)
I am beginner to make it short.
My board: cabrinha swift 80L 5'10,
Foil: NKX 1900cm2 front wing on a 85 cm alu mast (typical beginner foil, maybe a bit oversized I guess)
My parawing are:
- 777pt skin 7.3m
- done frigate v1 3.5m
- element freefly 2.8 m
- and maybe soon ozone pocket rocket v1 5m.

I am mostly starting to wonder what foil systems to choose from, next (not now, but in medium term ).
Microsurfer
Microsurfer
231 posts
231 posts
27 Sep 2026 4:34am
Look at what other people are riding in your area. If there is a dominant brand then most probably the second hand market will be better in that brand. See what local shops are selling. If you are going to buy a whole new setup then pick a brand & ask within that brands network which one will work for you.
ZeroVix
ZeroVix
383 posts
383 posts
27 Sep 2026 6:21am
You are riding in a lower wind and choppy area when you get more into the open. Your existing setup is heavy, low aspect and will not glide well. I would let others with more credibility chime in that know the area and para wing. I ride SAB foils. I can only comment on them. But for a newer guy on para winging, I would probably recommend the 1350 (1870cm2 / AR 9.75) with a 663 fuse / 370 tail and 75cm BB mast. Is the 1350 bigger than most use? Yes. But in the beginning you will be gliding. Once you get better with pumping, use it for your dock pump foiling beginner wing. Then move up to the new Blackbird FreeMove 1155 mono block system with fuse Black Bird size medium. You would eventually (not now) have 2 front wings (para "1155" /dock "1350"), a 663 / BB medium fuse and only need one stab (370). One mast is enough. That said, find what is available in your area and what others use. Try to get used gear. SAB does have a black friday event every year too. This information is just a general idea. There a plenty of guys in Sweden, Denmark and Germany that do it all the time that know exactly what to get.
berowne
berowne
NSW
1589 posts
NSW, 1589 posts
28 Sep 2026 11:44pm
Orca from F4!
BWalnut
BWalnut
WA
1326 posts
WA, 1326 posts
29 Sep 2026 1:23am
Honestly, IMO, the forums are not the best place to ask a question like this. You really need to tap into local knowledge. Everyones location is different and things that work locally don't work globally.

Once you are actively parawinging and running into issues, the forums become a bit more useful. This is because you should be able to explain what your problem is at your local spot and why you or others might be struggling. That's when people with broader global knowledge can share experiences with how to give direction.

To answer your question: "Mast size, aspect ratio, span, what does matter?" Everything. Every single detail matters. The wind direction, your board, the tail, fuse, it all matters. Which is why nobody has completely figured out foiling yet!
tartine
tartine
9 posts
9 posts
30 Sep 2026 4:25am
BWalnut said..
Honestly, IMO, the forums are not the best place to ask a question like this. You really need to tap into local knowledge. Everyones location is different and things that work locally don't work globally.

Once you are actively parawinging and running into issues, the forums become a bit more useful. This is because you should be able to explain what your problem is at your local spot and why you or others might be struggling. That's when people with broader global knowledge can share experiences with how to give direction.

To answer your question: "Mast size, aspect ratio, span, what does matter?" Everything. Every single detail matters. The wind direction, your board, the tail, fuse, it all matters. Which is why nobody has completely figured out foiling yet!


I wish but it looks like parawinging is not much of a thing here and same for downwinding. I heard about a guy hunting ferry wakes that's it.
So even if this is not the most tailored advice there is good learning for me in ZeroVix post; then it is my part to put it into perspective.
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