Viri said..
Hi. I have no option to demo the Frigate V2, but want to add a 6.5 size to my quiver (already on BRM S3 4.2). Could anyone who has experience of both the 6.5 Frigate V2 and the BRM L1 please share their thoughts on the two? 🙏

At our lake, the wind usually blows at 9–11 knots, with gusts of up to 20 knots. I use a 4.2 S3 when it's 15 knots with gusts of up to 24 knots. I ride a 110L KT Dragonfly 2 and weigh ~90kg (including wetsuit).

I owned the BRM L1 6.5m and 5.5m and now the 6.5m and 5.5m Frigate V2s. The L1s flew better than the S3s, but that was the end of their magic trick. The low end just wasn’t great. Another long time BRM rider local to me, wrote Greg to express his disappointment with the L1. Greg actually called him to discuss. Greg seemed to understand better where the guy was coming from and Greg released a 7.5m later. That local sold his L1s and so did I. The Frigate V2 6.5m is wonderful and much better.

Ok chippin’ in here. Changed over couple of weeks back from Ozone 3.0 PR v1, 3.6 PP, and 4.3 and 2.4 PRv2 to a full quiver of Frigates v2 in 2.5, 3.5 and 4.5 … and concur it’s nite and day.
Really loved the PRv1, its high aspect, the pumpability and one heck of a ride … it was fantastic, exhilarating. Ozone knocked it out of the park with the v1… the tangling, redeployment issues aside … In comes the PP, no more tangles, easy to pack and redeploy but a dog of a PW, slow and boring to ride…. High expectations for the PRv2? Yeah absolutely! But unfortunately didn’t deliver. Tuned down from the v1, a less exciting ride and small wind range resulted in a para that pulls like a truck and gets overpowered easily…. Especially the 2.4 felt rushed to the market and not properly tested, just did not work, so unstable… frustrating ‘upgrade’ not to mention the AB and now the UltraX adding to the confusion. Decided to stop subsidising Ozone and moved to F-One. Best decision ever! Got that PRv1 feeling back be it in a much more controlled way! Plus a huge wind range with limitless top end. Never any tangles, incredible upwind angles, fast and exciting ride, and it’s a top quality made product at a a very competitive price! No brainer. I’m about 75kg, on a 55L Armie MLv2 as daily driver and UHA770 as my big foil. The Frigates are making my current quiver the best set-up to date… stoked and frothing … yeeeaaauuuwwww

Airshane said..
Above above … 4.5 frig in 15 knots - kinda depends on what kind of wind and water conditions and what board you are on. It’s def on the margins. But yeh top end no worries.

Honestly nothing wrong with the quests if they are working.

Thanks, I'm on a 50L appletree slice v4 (4'10 x 19.5), I can switch to a 87L mid-length but I really try to avoid that 😂

The demo 4m F2 got me going in pretty light conditions (the others were on a variety of 5-5.5's) and I've personally found the 5m quest doesn't buy me a whole lot more low end than my 4m currently.

I may not even bother "upgrading" from the quests as I think they've proven they more than hold up but if I can switch from a 3 to 2 wing quiver that sure helps the argument

AnyBoard said..

Airshane said..
Damn that’s a great summary above … had the exact same experience including your foiling setup lol. V1 PR was great! PP was crap. PR2 is a watered down abortion of both. I’m so pissed I will never buy an ozone product again.

Above above … 4.5 frig in 15 knots - kinda depends on what kind of wind and water conditions and what board you are on. It’s def on the margins. But yeh top end no worries.

Honestly nothing wrong with the quests if they are working.

Maybe you can shed some light where the other WA team couldn't.
Would love for you to actually explain what it is about the V2 PR that you didn't come to terms with and do you switch feet and use a harness? Also what is your use case, are you riding upwind to downwind .

It would be great if we could stop the breeze from losing further relevance.

Well that is a post with loaded intentions!

“The other WA team could not?

“Stopping the breeze from becoming more irrelevant.

Who the hell do you think you are?

The limitations of the PR2 have been well established from multiple sources throughout this thread.

I can also assure you I would kick your ass on any day of the week so you can stick your other loaded questions where the sun don’t shine. I’m sick to death of your meaningless BS on paras. What you want VMGs published maybe - give us a break will ya.

The experiences given by many riders on here (and some of which I know well who would also kick your ass in any foiling discipline) are their experiences. Full stop mate. and yeh they can ride up and downwind, switch feet - what the very basics you ask ? lol.

… and that is because the so called WA team get more wind and water time than anywhere else in the country. Our season starts in August for gods sake - well july can work as well although we had a massive swell season this year. Great for waves … para in waves is a real thing it seems.

Hence the so called WA team is well worth listening to.

AnyBoard said..

Airshane said..
Damn that’s a great summary above … had the exact same experience including your foiling setup lol. V1 PR was great! PP was crap. PR2 is a watered down abortion of both. I’m so pissed I will never buy an ozone product again.

Above above … 4.5 frig in 15 knots - kinda depends on what kind of wind and water conditions and what board you are on. It’s def on the margins. But yeh top end no worries.

Honestly nothing wrong with the quests if they are working.

Maybe you can shed some light where the other WA team couldn't.
Would love for you to actually explain what it is about the V2 PR that you didn't come to terms with and do you switch feet and use a harness? Also what is your use case, are you riding upwind to downwind .

It would be great if we could stop the breeze from losing further relevance.

Just have a look at the number of PRv2s on the 2nd hand market and not just in Australia. Should be a tell all?

freesailor said..

AnyBoard said..

Airshane said..
Damn that’s a great summary above … had the exact same experience including your foiling setup lol. V1 PR was great! PP was crap. PR2 is a watered down abortion of both. I’m so pissed I will never buy an ozone product again.

Above above … 4.5 frig in 15 knots - kinda depends on what kind of wind and water conditions and what board you are on. It’s def on the margins. But yeh top end no worries.

Honestly nothing wrong with the quests if they are working.

Maybe you can shed some light where the other WA team couldn't.
Would love for you to actually explain what it is about the V2 PR that you didn't come to terms with and do you switch feet and use a harness? Also what is your use case, are you riding upwind to downwind .

It would be great if we could stop the breeze from losing further relevance.

Just have a look at the number of PRv2s on the 2nd hand market and not just in Australia. Should be a tell all?

Lots of V1's of course. No V2's other than those strange Mandurah adds.

AnyBoard said..

Airshane said..

AnyBoard said..

Airshane said..
Damn that’s a great summary above … had the exact same experience including your foiling setup lol. V1 PR was great! PP was crap. PR2 is a watered down abortion of both. I’m so pissed I will never buy an ozone product again.

Above above … 4.5 frig in 15 knots - kinda depends on what kind of wind and water conditions and what board you are on. It’s def on the margins. But yeh top end no worries.

Honestly nothing wrong with the quests if they are working.

Maybe you can shed some light where the other WA team couldn't.
Would love for you to actually explain what it is about the V2 PR that you didn't come to terms with and do you switch feet and use a harness? Also what is your use case, are you riding upwind to downwind .

It would be great if we could stop the breeze from losing further relevance.

Well that is a post with loaded intentions!

“The other WA team could not?

“Stopping the breeze from becoming more irrelevant.

Who the hell do you think you are?

The limitations of the PR2 have been well established from multiple sources throughout this thread.

I can also assure you I would kick your ass on any day of the week so you can stick your other loaded questions where the sun don’t shine. I’m sick to death of your meaningless BS on paras. What you want VMGs published maybe - give us a break will ya.

The experiences given by many riders on here (and some of which I know well who would also kick your ass in any foiling discipline) are their experiences. Full stop mate. and yeh they can ride up and downwind, switch feet - what the very basics you ask ? lol.

… and that is because the so called WA team get more wind and water time than anywhere else in the country. Our season starts in August for gods sake - well july can work as well although we had a massive swell season this year. Great for waves … para in waves is a real thing it seems.

Hence the so called WA team is well worth listening to.

Thanks for clarifying all that.
I definitely have no right to seek clarifications amongst such legends.

Its easy to read the froth but its hard to ignore the slagging.
Thanks for your honesty.

Have to admit you have sought clarification several times on the same topic, it does come across as trolling now.

Feel free to add to the froth about the PR on a different thread I suppose - one that has PR in the title maybe and not frigate. Just an idea.

But there aren't, that's the point. I don't want to keep derailing this thread but there are seldom prv2s for sale. The ones constantly listed in Mandurah are a bait and switch - he doesn't actually have them and will try to sell you a different pw,

flowstate said..
What’s the two bridle setup on the v2 feel like up on foil? Coming from traditional three bridle connection

I like it but again this is coming from Quests so I like the simplicity of it all, less bridles, less tangles. I don't feel like I give up much in the way of sheeting in/out and manoeuvrability.

As noted in my thoughts earlier in this thread. At least in my testing I feel the lines on the F2 have ever so slightly more direct feel with the canopy than the Quests.

eppo said..
Look i’ve done a few up and downwinders but really it’s been long DW sends - heading upwind to find stragglers to ride with once they got up again.
This and some wave riding in the north west was the main mode until yesterday arvo.

Missed the shuttlre and wind was turning south so stayed in situ. Did 1.5 hours, 32km with 3 - 10 minute sends - so had plenty of time to purely sail with the 4.5 frig. It is very direct - infact reminds me of using foil kites back in the kite foiling days 8-10 years ago. So that shouldn’t be a concern.

I don’t know what all those squiggles and crap
mean on water speed - and quite frankly I don’t give a damn - but anyway as you can see 1.5hrs of continual foiling - 100 percent deployment and never fell off - was getting hot in the wetty to
be honest.

drc13 said..

flowstate said..
What’s the two bridle setup on the v2 feel like up on foil? Coming from traditional three bridle connection

I like it but again this is coming from Quests so I like the simplicity of it all, less bridles, less tangles. I don't feel like I give up much in the way of sheeting in/out and manoeuvrability.

As noted in my thoughts earlier in this thread. At least in my testing I feel the lines on the F2 have ever so slightly more direct feel with the canopy than the Quests.

Snap

Waves today. Crowded

I did finally get to putting a review together - been tough finding time as my software business has been crazy busy these last few weeks and demanding a lot of my time - hence the rather pedestrian release of videos lately, quality not quantity (I hope).

MeonAsh said..
I did finally get to putting a review together - been tough finding time as my software business has been crazy busy these last few weeks and demanding a lot of my time - hence the rather pedestrian release of videos lately, quality not quantity (I hope).

Excellent well put together review mate. I can concur with all your pros and indeed cons. Wonder if it’s worth putting some tear aid around that drainage hole - what you think? Agree with the colour issues and the A line bridle width as well. Small details but there nevertheless.

But for the important flying characteristics - a win for sure.

Now I’m sure i’m not the only one - you are comparing directly with the Power Pack. Did you get to fly the PR2 at all before you bought the frigates as your personal para ?

Great review, nailed a lot of good points.

I had a fly of the 3.5m on land yesterday, fly really nicely. The collapse lines work well but was shocked by how sharp they are. The battens concertina nicely though, no air in them like the prv2. I haven't worked out the best stash method yet, can't seem to wrap up the green lines nicely. Included harness line appreciated! I was a bit pissed when my pr didn't come with one.. *crickets*

Hopefully get it out on the water today.

MeonAsh said..

eppo said..

MeonAsh said..
I did finally get to putting a review together - been tough finding time as my software business has been crazy busy these last few weeks and demanding a lot of my time - hence the rather pedestrian release of videos lately, quality not quantity (I hope).

Excellent well put together review mate. I can concur with all your pros and indeed cons. Wonder if it’s worth putting some tear aid around that drainage hole - what you think? Agree with the colour issues and the A line bridle width as well. Small details but there nevertheless.

But for the important flying characteristics - a win for sure.

Now I’m sure i’m not the only one - you are comparing directly with the Power Pack. Did you get to fly the PR2 at all before you bought the frigates as your personal para ?

I have powerpacks and pocket rocket v2s - I also did reviews on the Afterburner, Hatch v2, Orbit and I'm currently reviewing the 777 Hybrid, also tried the AFS Stow, the Quest and the Fynix Sroka but never reviewed those. Soon I'll also have the new Vayu Pyro v2, which is in for review.
So I've been through a few but my personal wings have been powerpacks and PRv2 and I've been waiting for the perfect laps machine - good speed and upwind but also really solid stow/redeploy and no tangles.

I only bought the two PRv2 (in 4.3m and 5.7m) and I didn't buy anymore because it was clear from the 4.3m that I was not going to enjoy stow/redeploy on it, it just didn't give me the feels I was after and it's wind range whilst better than a powerpack felt a bit limited. I might possibly get along with Afterburners but again the stow / redeploy - not in powerpack territory, do love the tack on the afterburner though, that is it's super power. It's also too expensive. Thought about the PRV2 UltraX - also too expensive. Not that I think either of them would be better than the Frigate v2 for what I do but they were options.

damn you’ve tried nearly all of them. yeh for all round riding the frigs are the best i’ve tried. Although man id love an afterburner / orbit etc for some pure long range up and downs.