As the sport evolves and there become more and more gear available the change that there is certain gear that will not work properly together is growing. That is what this topic is about.

Reason:
I have a Fanatic Skywing2021 5.8.
I use it with a 1st gen Go-foil Maliko M200+IWA but was looking for faster foils with more glide.
Asked Go foil and they can,t guarantee me that the newer wings like the GL and NL will fit my older mast without a ot of sending (what will make it useless for my older wings).
Because of that I,m trying some stuff I can get my hands on.
last week I tried the Starboard E-type 1700 from a shop.
First off all, good looking and stiff construction, silent, fast and extremely turny, but what really surprised me that in the most forward position in the box it simply didn't matched with the board.
With that I mean that I need to stand with my back foot on the kickpad and the front way behind the footstrap plugs to keep it level. Standing on my normal positions. The shop owner tried that too and had the same issue
We tried the Starboard under the Naish 110 from the shop owner and that works fine.
Our conclusion: you can,t mix and match all board and foil brands and the Starboard E type and Fanatic boards are definitely a mismatch.

The Starboard foil worked with the Naish but made it too nervous for the both of us compared to the Naish HA1400

Are there other well known Mismatches?Help each-other out and post em here.

btw: because I liked the Naish Hoover 110 soo much and how well it worked together with the Naish foil i,m serious considering selling the Fanatic and replace it with the Hoover110 with the HA1400+1800 (for my 97kg) just to prevent future mismatches.

Yep! My Naish inflatable 135 litre 5'7" appears to have been designed for use with a Naish foil setup. From manufacturers website photos the Naish foil mount is very close to the mast whereas the Axis foil (red fuselage) mounts several inches forward of the mast.The mast track in the inflatable is mounted so far forward that, with the mast at the back of the track, I was unable to get under way without the Axis foil trying to smack me in the face. There's a reference to this problem in the Supboarder YouTube review and they mentioned that larger foils would require standing very far forward but even standing up near the front and moving to a smaller foil had very little effect.

The fix was to drill out the threaded mounting holes on the mast base and gain another inch or so of adjustment. After that it was just down to shimming.

Grantmac said..
Which tail length and stabilizer size was on the Starboard? There are a lot of variables within that foil system.

The 36, so completely standard.starboardfoils.com/pages/2021-E-TYPEWhole problem is that it needs a more forward box position and Fanatic is rather further to the back.

Of course, after you do the research, modify surrounding parts, and McGiver it back together.

Jeroensurf said..
With that I mean that I need to stand with my back foot on the kickpad and the front way behind the footstrap plugs to keep it level. Standing on my normal positions. The shop owner tried that too and had the same issue.

I had the same issue on the fanatic 95 and 110 using any of the AXIS foils. No issues on the equivalent Naish boards with the AXIS foils....

I initially started with V1 Naish's (12 months), went to Fanatics (3 months), went back to Naish for a final try and decided I preferred the Fanatics even with the unusual foot positions (I just found the smaller sizes and balance on the water better).

Thanx Peter, I didn't realize that.
Maybe this is for some common knowledge but I didn't read or heard about this before so to answer the question of Lee-D, I was presuming that when VW had the same fitting it would work :)

@Bigtone, what foil do you use with the Fanatics?

What year?
Fanatic is changing double track location this year.

So mount your foil and check if your feet are located equidistant fron the front foil COE.

Yep

I've got the Starboard E1300 and at first found it very twitchy with the 36 fuselage and 250 stab, adjusted the stab angle a little and got used to it in no time. Have tried it with a 31 fuse and the moustache 270 and it actually worked surprisingly well. Tried that by accident after losing the 36 fuse and 250 stab - chatting while rigging and forgot to tighten up! About 500m from shore it fell off and was lost. Totally bizarre thing was that after some crazy bucking bronco I could actually get up on front foil only and fly. Admittedly very up and down but stayed up for at least 500m on my 5'8 Wingboard and a powered 3.5 wing! I had the short fuse and 270 in the car so that's what I used and it was great.

JonathanC said..
I've got the Starboard E1300 and at first found it very twitchy with the 36 fuselage and 250 stab, adjusted the stab angle a little and got used to it in no time. Have tried it with a 31 fuse and the moustache 270 and it actually worked surprisingly well. Tried that by accident after losing the 36 fuse and 250 stab - chatting while rigging and forgot to tighten up! About 500m from shore it fell off and was lost. Totally bizarre thing was that after some crazy bucking bronco I could actually get up on front foil only and fly. Admittedly very up and down but stayed up for at least 500m on my 5'8 Wingboard and a powered 3.5 wing! I had the short fuse and 270 in the car so that's what I used and it was great.

Sorrty to sidetrack but did you tried or heard any missmatch with your wingboard 5'8? How do you like it?

NordRoi said..

JonathanC said..
I've got the Starboard E1300 and at first found it very twitchy with the 36 fuselage and 250 stab, adjusted the stab angle a little and got used to it in no time. Have tried it with a 31 fuse and the moustache 270 and it actually worked surprisingly well. Tried that by accident after losing the 36 fuse and 250 stab - chatting while rigging and forgot to tighten up! About 500m from shore it fell off and was lost. Totally bizarre thing was that after some crazy bucking bronco I could actually get up on front foil only and fly. Admittedly very up and down but stayed up for at least 500m on my 5'8 Wingboard and a powered 3.5 wing! I had the short fuse and 270 in the car so that's what I used and it was great.

Sorrty to sidetrack but did you tried or heard any missmatch with your wingboard 5'8? How do you like it?

Feel like a perfect match to the Starboard Wingboard 5'8 x 25. Mast is just slightly rear of centre in the track and it's perfectly balanced. I use the board with S Type 2000, Wave 1300 and of course E1300. I love the board !! I'm 65kg so it's actually super floaty for me, I can stand and uphaul but pretty much always knee start. Find it's very forgiving of touch downs and the little bit of length seems to let me get up in very light wind.

JonathanC said..


Feel like a perfect match to the Starboard Wingboard 5'8 x 25. Mast is just slightly rear of centre in the track and it's perfectly balanced. I use the board with S Type 2000, Wave 1300 and of course E1300. I love the board !! I'm 65kg so it's actually super floaty for me, I can stand and uphaul but pretty much always knee start. Find it's very forgiving of touch downs and the little bit of length seems to let me get up in very light wind.

Thanks for the feedback. Do you have the blue or the lite? I wondering how the 8kg lite tech behave, is the extra 2kg from most brand make it feel heavy in light wind?

JonathanC said..
I've got the Starboard E1300 and at first found it very twitchy with the 36 fuselage and 250 stab, adjusted the stab angle a little and got used to it in no time. Have tried it with a 31 fuse and the moustache 270 and it actually worked surprisingly well. Tried that by accident after losing the 36 fuse and 250 stab - chatting while rigging and forgot to tighten up! About 500m from shore it fell off and was lost. Totally bizarre thing was that after some crazy bucking bronco I could actually get up on front foil only and fly. Admittedly very up and down but stayed up for at least 500m on my 5'8 Wingboard and a powered 3.5 wing! I had the short fuse and 270 in the car so that's what I used and it was great.

Apologies for the off topic follow up but just wanted to report that astonishingly I've got my fuselage and stabilizer back! A scuba diver found it and happened to show it to a buddy of mine on the beach who recognised it! Mind blown Its actually got tiny marine growth going on after a week or two in Davy Jones Locker.

JonathanC said..

yeahnso said..

JonathanC said..
Have tried it with a 31 fuse and the moustache 270 and it actually worked surprisingly well. ......... I had the short fuse and 270 in the car so that's what I used and it was great.

Hi Jonathan,
that's good news. When would you say is it time to step down to the e-type 1300 for a 80kg guy like me? And how does the 270 stab feels compared to the 250? Why do you prefer it?
Best wind wishes from the Baltic Sea!

Hi Yeahnso,

The 270 Stab seemed to take away some of the twitchiness that I noticed when I first started using the E1300. Saying that - that initial twitchiness I partially put down to this wing being the first high aspect wing I had ever used and after half a dozen sessions I honestly didn't notice it anymore. The 270 did seem a little slower than the much flatter 250 but really seemed to cushion the slightly twitchy feel. The E wing seems to be more critical in terms of stabilizer angle than the lower aspect wing and it's well worth subtly changing that to find the balance that suits your style. I've heard really good things about the X Type 1100 from both Zane and Michael Booth for winging. Kinda wish I'd been brave enough to get that instead of the E1300! The E wing lets me point so much higher than my other wings it's crazy.
Hard to say how it would go with 80kg compared to my 65 but 1300 actually feels big for me now so I'm sure it would work fine for you. Hope that helps!

Can you compare the E1300 to Surf 1300? Too bad you are in Aus and I'm in Canada because I'm looking for the E1300 set and it sounds like you're thinking about the X1100.