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Driks
Driks
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200 posts
4 May 2026 12:30pm
Hi!
Try to make it short. Found nothing Researching it. I Had a few Sessions on a DT midfish 48l which is a total sinker for me. I even Had one Session on the River with choppy conditions. Up on foil its crazy Like punpfoiling with a small foil and Wing in Hand. Now i thouhgt about an Board this size but with Straps as one Board for all. I mean u can use it for Surffoil too :). Is it total crazy Idea? What are ur experince? Thought about Omen emissary or Skybrid or even Amos Kreuzer V2 with Inserts. I think i need the lenght for underwater Balance.
Thanks
pacoz
pacoz
98 posts
98 posts
4 May 2026 3:36pm
I use the omen emissary 55l in almost all conditions. Before I got that one, I thought that it's crazy low volume for my 80kg. Turns out I was wrong. I now got myself a used 35l surf foil board, which I didn't try yet, but I feel that it should work from 15kts up. I developed the idea when balancing my pumpfoil board underwater, which was easier than I anticipated. I don't know if it's possible to water start a pumpfoilboard with a wing, but I figure 35l should be doable. I hope I can test it out soon.
Driks
Driks
200 posts
200 posts
4 May 2026 6:04pm
Thanx for this. Exactly what i felt but wasnt Sure If i went total crazy now:)
Taavi
Taavi
444 posts
444 posts
4 May 2026 7:06pm
pacoz said..
I don't know if it's possible to water start a pumpfoilboard with a wing, but I figure 35l should be doable. I hope I can test it out soon.


Water starting is easy if it's windy. 32 L board here.

pacoz
pacoz
98 posts
98 posts
4 May 2026 9:04pm
Ok that looks good, but also close to 30kts I figure? Do you always start this board windsurf style or you sometimes sink it?
drc13
drc13
NSW
183 posts
NSW, 183 posts
5 May 2026 7:09am
I've found once you're in sinker territory as long as there's enough wind to get the board to the surface they all take off so quickly that you really can go small. Only real downside is if the wind dies off they are a slog to paddle back in. It also can initially be a bit tricky to have enough clearance for the wing tips if you're sunk down deep.

I'm not sure I fully agree you want "long/skinny" combo so much for sinkers as you're not after the efficiency/speed on the surface but more something that sits under the water and rises up to the surface nicely.




Subsonic
Subsonic
WA
3437 posts
WA, 3437 posts
5 May 2026 7:14am
Provided you can generate the initial energy required to get on the foil, you could use a plank of wood. Research the quaint sport "water skiing".

obviously you'll want a piece of wood a bit wider than what they use, but you'll get the idea. 35L is already well below what will float your body weight unless you're 5yrs old.
Grantmac
Grantmac
2396 posts
2396 posts
5 May 2026 12:16pm
I think under a certain volume (maybe 30% of bodyweight) length and surface area probably matter more than volume.
There is a local making a 12L kitefoil board work with a wing.
Driks
Driks
200 posts
200 posts
5 May 2026 1:47pm
Thank u all for Response. I already used the 48l midfish. Only thing i missed was Straps. So i ll try skybrid with 45l Straps soon. Shouldnt be to much different in starting. I can Report.
SevenSeven
SevenSeven
2 posts
2 posts
6 May 2026 8:28pm
it may seem strange, but I found that using a sinker board ,1/3 of your weight (kg) , may actually be easier as the board will remain under water and not bobble on the surface when water-starting


Driks
Driks
200 posts
200 posts
17 Jun 2026 2:48am
Hi!
I am Back to give Feedback. Can absolutely agree with that Last Statement. I tested 45l Skybrid the past week serval times. Also Lightwind with 6.5 Wing. I Got 87kg and the Board ist great. I Love IT. Its Like pumpfoil with Wing in Hand. Used IT with Crest 1050, Carve 950. With the right handwing and skills everything is possible.
Jeroensurf
Jeroensurf
1144 posts
1144 posts
18 Jun 2026 5:25pm
95kg in wintertime with hooded 6mm wetsuit probably over a 100kg.
I have and 56l KT wingdrifter from 22. The key with that board is was already a ML board: 5.4x22 so a bit longer.
With enough windpower its easy to start (I do only knee starts), but when the wind drops its swimming.
My newer board, an KT SuperK V2 6.3x20.something x 95l pro carbon ....floats me fine and is waaay easier to start and almost as easy, nimble and in control as the 56l.
Because of that I,m using the 56l less and less because when its stormy with big waves in a short period, I want to start as quickly as well and that is simply easier with the 95l
The bigger board also alows me to use earlier smaller foils.


Driks
Driks
200 posts
200 posts
19 Jun 2026 12:03am
Hey!
Yeah Sure such small Boards got a Limit of usage. I can Imagine in ocean waves or big Swell without enough Wind it can be downer. On the Lake it was really fascinating for me. Did not jump with it yet. Maybe thats a downer too because of less rebound?
Taavi
Taavi
444 posts
444 posts
19 Jun 2026 3:35am
pacoz said..
Ok that looks good, but also close to 30kts I figure? Do you always start this board windsurf style or you sometimes sink it?


The usual knee start works too, if the wind is light. It helps a lot if the foil is bigger. In the above clip I had a 631 cm2 front wing, and here in this one I have an older ca 900 cm2 low aspect front wing.


Retina
Retina
114 posts
114 posts
28 Jun 2026 2:08pm

Kalevi
Kalevi
32 posts
32 posts
28 Jul 2026 3:18am
I did the opposite. I gave up my 48L sinker and bought a 72L ±0L 4'11 hollow board that's lighter and stiffer than my old sinker. It actually feels more responsive and agile than my EPS sinker. Life is much easier now.

I mostly ride waves and freerace/race with a wing, and this one board works great for both—also in light wind. Hollow boards now start at around $1,800, so it's actually a pretty affordable option when you don't need to own two separate boards (we have some light winds also).
windwaterfoil
windwaterfoil
26 posts
26 posts
28 Jul 2026 4:03am
Kalevi said..
I did the opposite. I gave up my 48L sinker and bought a 72L ±0L 4'11 hollow board that's lighter and stiffer than my old sinker. It actually feels more responsive and agile than my EPS sinker. Life is much easier now.

I mostly ride waves and freerace/race with a wing, and this one board works great for both—also in light wind. Hollow boards now start at around $1,800, so it's actually a pretty affordable option when you don't need to own two separate boards (we have some light winds also).


which hollow board?
Kalevi
Kalevi
32 posts
32 posts
28 Jul 2026 4:51am
I've now been riding an Airinside Superfly board for my second year and have logged about 3,000 km / 1 800 mi on it. It's a bit expensive, but there are more affordable alternatives (For half the price) listed below that may be just as good. I just haven't had the chance to test them yet. TheVirus has been making them for a couple of years now. Takoon has just launched its own.

Takoon Slide Hollow. Weight from 3.8 kg, 5’9 - 6'6, 70-100L
Price from 1,599 €
takoon.com/en-eu/products/slide-hollow

TheVirus Hollow Board , Weight from 3.6 kg , 5'1-5'11, 74-101 L
Price from 1,525 €
thevirusfoil.com/en_GB/c/Boards/39
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