Wing inflation pressure (PSI) - when to go under the recommended value?

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CLX
CLX
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CLX CLX
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19 Jul 2023 11:23pm
Hi there,

watching all kind of video reviews of the wings, the bloggers mention the potential of the wing at low end with lower inflation pressure.
However, I was not able to find any manual on how the pressure reduction of the wing affects the characteristics at low/high wind conditions.

In my particular case, I can inflate the strut (8PSI) and LE (8PSI) separately. While I assume any pressure above the max recommended value is not allowed:
- When should I go with the lower PSI for the strut, if at all?
- When should I go with the lower PSI for the LE?

p.s. my 3 pumps show all inaccurate values, so the same pressure can be 7+, 8 and 8+ on all three pumps. What is the tolerance the manufacturer would "accept"?

Best
Sasha
CLX
CLX
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CLX CLX
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20 Jul 2023 12:03am
I'd better search first

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/Ensis-wing-low-pressure-for-light-winds-

so my edited questions would be:
- strut pressure always to max?
- experience with pump valve tolerances?
patronus
patronus
505 posts
505 posts
21 Jul 2023 4:14pm
Armie says his XPS wings are better low end with less pressure in strut as bags out canopy a bit. Works on F-One V3 too and maybe other wings with tight canopies.
CLX
CLX
9 posts
CLX CLX
9 posts
5 Jan 2024 12:07am
Tried with Naish Matador LT 4.0 sqm wing in a gusty condition (10-35kn) while pumping to the recommeded 9 PSI, the wing was reacting exposively and immediately to any gust. On the strut there is a recommended air pressure of 7-9 PSI. Right before leaving the lake I decided to reduce the pressure and the wing became softer and less blasting me away when putting at the right angle of attack.

Does anyone have experience with lowering PSI to actually depower/delay the wing? In other words, if I would actually pump the recommended low end 7 PSI, would the wing be more forgiving at the gusts?
NordRoi
NordRoi
673 posts
673 posts
5 Jan 2024 2:24am
I can only talked about F-one, they recommend to deflate from 1 to 2 psi for more power. However I'M NOT convinced.I think the Strike V3 is a very effective wing but technically it needs a different pumping technic vs the older version where it's a big slower scooping action. The wing is stiffer from everywhere vs V2. So a lot did not adjusted to that way of pumping..faster shorter pace and the zone in where you can pump the wing is reduced...you have to find that power zone and work in it. The wing doesn't take much time to reload and it makes it get up on foil faster vs big old scooping method.So now...why deflate the main strut and the leading edge in low wind? I'm not sure, it makes everything less rigid and it doesn't make you leading edge bigger and it doesn't give you a bigger camber in the wing?
kersh
kersh
NSW
165 posts
NSW, 165 posts
5 Jan 2024 6:12am
I usually pump my Naish wings to around 7 - 7.5 psi, I've never gone to 9.
Fishdude
Fishdude
315 posts
315 posts
5 Jan 2024 3:04pm
CLX said

p.s. my 3 pumps show all inaccurate values, so the same pressure can be 7+, 8 and 8+ on all three pumps. What is the tolerance the manufacturer would "accept"?

Best
Sasha


I replaced the pump gauge with digital 0-15 psi which has been very accurate. Most pumps I tested were off more 2 psi



hilly
hilly
WA
8135 posts
WA, 8135 posts
5 Jan 2024 4:05pm
Under inflated wings are horrible to ride. Always pump mine up as hard as I can with duotone pump. Says 8 psi but that is debatable
They feel way better hard. Insert sad old sexist joke here
Pump up onto foil better, handle gusts better, point better, etc.
bolocom
bolocom
NSW
216 posts
NSW, 216 posts
5 Jan 2024 7:40pm
hilly said..
Under inflated wings are horrible to ride. Always pump mine up as hard as I can with duotone pump. Says 8 psi but that is debatable
They feel way better hard. Insert sad old sexist joke here
Pump up onto foil better, handle gusts better, point better, etc.


I do the same, always a bit more than the recommended.
CLX
CLX
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CLX CLX
9 posts
5 Jan 2024 6:24pm
Fishdude said..

CLX said

p.s. my 3 pumps show all inaccurate values, so the same pressure can be 7+, 8 and 8+ on all three pumps. What is the tolerance the manufacturer would "accept"?

Best
Sasha



I replaced the pump gauge with digital 0-15 psi which has been very accurate. Most pumps I tested were off more 2 psi




are you able to insert the digital one directly into the pump, or require a T-adapter for that?
Relapse
Relapse
VIC
622 posts
VIC, 622 posts
5 Jan 2024 10:36pm
I tried a mates 4.5 Dlab Unit at 5 PSI instead of the recommended 8. Terrible idea.
Fishdude
Fishdude
315 posts
315 posts
5 Jan 2024 10:37pm
CLX said..

Fishdude said..


CLX said

p.s. my 3 pumps show all inaccurate values, so the same pressure can be 7+, 8 and 8+ on all three pumps. What is the tolerance the manufacturer would "accept"?

Best
Sasha




I replaced the pump gauge with digital 0-15 psi which has been very accurate. Most pumps I tested were off more 2 psi




are you able to insert the digital one directly into the pump, or require a T-adapter for that?


You can do it anyway you want.
To see it easier I'd recommend a 90degree fitting. Different brands pumps use different sizes... You will likely need fitting adapters from the hardware store to get it like you want. I put the tee on mine just to compare other gauges.

Lately I just use a electric pump
Velocicraptor
Velocicraptor
879 posts
879 posts
5 Jan 2024 11:57pm
I also have an electric gauge (same one pictured, but mine is rigged differently). The problem is that depending on the valve, the pressure can spike then fall, which limits the accuracy. I wish all valves would hold the pressure, rather than spiking and releasing.

to clarify, this is a valve issue, not a guage issue.
Fishdude
Fishdude
315 posts
315 posts
6 Jan 2024 12:33am
Velocicraptor said..
I also have an electric gauge (same one pictured, but mine is rigged differently). The problem is that depending on the valve, the pressure can spike then fall, which limits the accuracy. I wish all valves would hold the pressure, rather than spiking and releasing.

to clarify, this is a valve issue, not a guage issue.




Yep, I found that slowing down the pumping strokes, ( i mean really slowing it down) near the end gives the good steady wing psi for valve with one way checks in them.
CLX
CLX
9 posts
CLX CLX
9 posts
6 Jan 2024 7:45pm
Thanks, so it seems for me I should reduce the pressure to nominal 7PSI on my Naish to have less power and so more reaction time to the gusts.. yep, less powerful, but at least not blasting me away from the board with every gust
CLX
CLX
9 posts
CLX CLX
9 posts
5 Jun 2024 3:15am
Coming back to pressure gauge question: are the digital pressure gauges more accurate?

And what about the electrical SUP pumps? Any risk to blow up the wing, or those are pretty accurate compared to the mechanical pumps with a simple bravo gauge?
Windoc
Windoc
460 posts
460 posts
6 Jun 2024 11:13pm
I can't stand the feeling of an under inflated wing, even if it's just slightly soft. Getting better at pumping a properly inflated wing IMO is more effective. If I get up a 1/2 knot earlier with a soft wing, I'm irritated feeling the flex for the rest of the session. Maybe lighter riders can get away with it more easily.
winginglkemich
winginglkemich
32 posts
32 posts
7 Jun 2024 9:14am
I have cabrinha Mantis wings and I usually go .5 psi or more above and the seem to re-act much better to pumping to get up on plane. The higher end suffers, they get squirrelly when over powered. Reduce the PSI when it's overpowered and it can handle the gusts much better, but the low end suffer. I just drop a wing size when getting overpowered. I like using the smallest wings possible.

I have used other peoples under inflated wings and its tougher to pump them to get on foil in my opinion.
Gencion
Gencion
89 posts
89 posts
7 Jun 2024 2:48pm
I tried to ride underinflated wing. It pumps well. I had no problems getting on the foil. It rides ok. But I was not able to go upwind how hard I tried.
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