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battlesabit
battlesabit
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2 posts
5 Mar 2007 4:49pm
Hey i was wondering if anyone knew whether it is ok to kite at Manly in Sydney.
If so which winds are best to kite in?
same question for curl curl. Which winds are best
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
5 Mar 2007 4:53pm
I wouldn't go out at Curl Curl !

I understand that some kite at Manly,I think it works in NE-SE.
No way would you go there unless it is blowing its tits off,and there is no one on the beach.Many,many surfers there as well.
Just go where everyone else is,Long Reef or Narrabeen.
dazed321
dazed321
WA
160 posts
WA, 160 posts
5 Mar 2007 5:16pm
You have to wait for the life guards to go home.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
5 Mar 2007 9:26pm
Hey Guys, Don't even think of kiting at Manly. There is a blanket ban on ALL kites, even the one line jobbies with bows for tails.

Fastest way to get your gear confiscated and you fined. The local authorities are ruthless! [}:)]

Stick to beaches where you see other kiters.

GOod winds,

cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
6 Mar 2007 10:58am
quote:
Originally posted by Kitehard


Stick to beaches where you see other kiters.




Problem is guys do kite there. It on shore all the time (dead on shore) there's surfers, swimmers, beach go'ers and big **** off pine trees that line the beach. All in all its not that great take the drive up to Longy lots of space this time of year just watch out for the surfers.
Caelah
Caelah
WA
319 posts
WA, 319 posts
6 Mar 2007 9:04am
Please take a look on www.nswkba.com.au and you can look at the maps of the northern beaches...where to kite, what wind directions etc etc.

PLEASE DO NOT kite at Manly.
NBKboarding
NBKboarding
NSW
8 posts
NSW, 8 posts
6 Mar 2007 12:49pm
It's a shame that all of you missed out on such a great season at Manly this summer. Everyone seems to have their details wrong about kiting in Manly and I will now set the record straight. I have lived in Manly for two years, and have spoken to MANY lifeguards on the beach regarding the regulations around kiting there.

Each time I hear "Manly has been banned from kitesurfing" from somebody on this message board I ask the lifeguards again if this is the case. IT'S NOT! Here are the current regulations around kiting Manly:

1. Launch your kite in an area least populated by beach-goers.
2. Head straight out into the water. DO NOT fly your kite on the beach at any time.
3. Keep 30 meters away from swimmers/surfers at all time.

If you follow these simple rules, you are sure to have a great session at what I feel to be one of the best kite wave surfing beached in Sydney.

If the beach is crowded, you obviously can't adhere to the rules listed above. If you get to Manly most days around 5pm, you are sure to have a great session as most of the people on the beach have left for the day.

I would only suggest intermediate/advanced riders kite on Manly as it is generally more populated than some of the other beaches, and you need to be in control at all times.

Regards,

Jezza
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
6 Mar 2007 2:00pm
I would not encourage kiting at Manly. I've kited there a couple of times, but unless you are very experienced, then dont try.
It's littered with concrete, people, pine trees and buildings.
One of the first rules of kiting safe is to have lots of space.
And wind is mostly onshore. It its not then its super gusty.

sorry Jezza but I dont think your advice of "Launch your kite in an area least populated by beach-goers" is very good.
Do not launch you kite anywhere near people, especially families and children. If the beach is very populated. then dont kite.
One accident at manly is going to get a ban.
guarenteed.

ive joined the NB website.


NBKboarding
NBKboarding
NSW
8 posts
NSW, 8 posts
6 Mar 2007 2:04pm
Thanks for the comment Mark. I don't disagree with you on any points you have made. I was however just reiterating what the lifeguards have told me. It's a simple rule to follow. If you are not a VERY experienced kitesurfer, don't kite here.

However, Manly is NOT banned from kitesurfing. Lets try and keep it that way.

J
Caelah
Caelah
WA
319 posts
WA, 319 posts
6 Mar 2007 4:26pm
Manly is not a safe place to kite and is why the NSWKBA discourage it.

Most kiters usually have a higher opinion of their skill level than what it actually is.....so how do you judge who is intermediate/advanced/very advanced?
Do they have to have been in a bad situation to qualify, been kiting for several years, know certain tricks or safety precautions? I've seen some nasty things happen to people kiting in areas with space and with only a handful or no public around, so I hate to even imagine what could happen at Manly.

I'm also sure you're aware that in summer when we have many visiting kiters, all it takes is for them to see others on the water then head out thinking it's a good spot because they follow by example.....that's when problems can start to arise because they don't know the rules/conditions.

I know kiters that go out there but I also know more Northern Beach Kiters who are highly skilled but choose to avoid the area. My hat goes off to the ones avoiding the area because they are well aware up North there are better and less hazardous areas to kite.

A ban is definitely not what you or other kiters will want up north so please don't encourage it.

I've also joined the NB website.
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
6 Mar 2007 7:47pm
I live in Manly and seen the conditions when people kite it's not that great sorry thats not true it's ****e. Go to Longy the waves are generally cleaner there too.
em
em
318 posts
em em
318 posts
7 Mar 2007 9:40am
NBKboarding,
Manly subject's been a source of friction for a while now, and no, it is not Banned, but if it does, it will have consequences for all the northern beaches.
Out of the entire north side, Manly is THE beach that is more likely to get banned if the "B" word had to be pronounced.
We've asked people ("we" being me, AKSA members and all my kitesurfing mates) to STOP kitesurfing in Manly.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this is not a good kitesurfing location, and that if 1 kitesurfer's seen out, other will come...
I spoke yesterday with Shaun who stopped a Korean girl (not sure when that was but it was recently) from launching on Manly beach on dead westerly wind.... And yesterday too, I spoke with a surf life saver from Manly who had to go rescue a kite 1km out the sea last year at dusk... (to hear the kitesurfer yelling at him cause the nice rescuer, who had taken his boat out to rescue him at sunset, didn't want to go chase the kite in the dark, out in the open ocean! (if the kitesurfer who got rescued that day is reading this, mate, you are a bloody idiot!))
That's a perfect example of what kitesurfing in Manly will lead to: random backpackers will see the kites out and take it for granted it's Ok to kite there when it is NOT.
We have way enough locations on the northern beaches not to **** around Manly. Not because it's "banned ", simply because it is not SMART. What's the point about tacking out in the middle of surfers and swimmers, on a beach that's got very little room to launch and heaps of wind turbulence?
We're all pissed off each time we hear people mentioning seeing kitesurfers in Manly. It seems selfish and inconsiderate of them to keep on doing it....
Yes, in winter, when the tourist flow goes down, when the flags are out and nobody's on the water, WHY NOT. But Manly should absolutely be avoided during summer months, and this simply because it is SENSIBLE. We all know how one thing lead to another...
thanks to all the local on the northern beaches, we've so far been fairly well accepted through the other beach user population, whether it's at Longy or Narrabeen. But yes, it does take team work to get there, and we've all been looking after the sites this summer, helping out newbies, letting dangerous kitesurfers know they needed to be more careful, and it's been working.
Manly's got too many random people around, it can't work as easily as for other sites, and the main issue is that kitesurfers are attracted by kites, and it takes one kite out there to let all the other believe it's OK.
You may have the skills, but many other riders won't, and it's just about setting the right example....
If you have to be 30m away from surfer and swimmers at any time, it means that, on a beach like manly, you can't play in the waves at ANY TIME. Then, what's the point on kiting there, as we can all see that manly would be attractive for wave riding, nothing else: if it's about kiting in the back, then what's the difference with launching on Narrabeen???
So, Battlesabit, Manly is NOT banned, but everybody on the northern beaches would be thankful if you weren't kiting there, for the reasons I've just explained...
As to Curl Curl...it's one of the punchier swell on the northern beaches, on a very narrow beach surrounded by cliffs... wind turbulence all over the shop, not advisable really...
Best thing for you to do is check what NSWKBA's recommendations are...
Hope this helps...


peanuticus
peanuticus
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
7 Mar 2007 12:10pm
great reply Em, a little long for my taste tho :p

Everyone please look at this map
http://www.nswkba.com.au/images/stories/Maps/northern_beaches_complete.pdf

Half the problem is that since xmas Manly has been the only place on the NB to get the NE'ers in that down south has been having and all the people who are either too lazy or can't get down south will kite there as its the only spot with wind. When I lived on manly beach front I remember seeing a few near misses with the tree's, when I was surfing I nearly got cut in half by a kiter who decided to come back in at mach 10 overpowered and out of control!

as far as kite spots go there is little room for error, there is only rocks to hit if you have your kit fail at the south end, and you stand a good chance of getting your lights punched out by some of the local queenscliff surfers.

sorry but in this case we should all follow what the bigger family of the nswkba say on this one..

Ped
chronic
chronic
NSW
318 posts
NSW, 318 posts
7 Mar 2007 3:28pm
hey battlesabit
with all that money you've invested into your kites and gear, best thing now is to invest some time - ie- by blowing work off whenever the winds up and going somewhere where you know its on, and uncrowded. no one was out longy yesterday except me and a friend at lunchtime.It was just about all over anyway by 5 or 6pm.
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
7 Mar 2007 4:16pm
i think the nbeach kiters were taking shifts yeterday.
two of us were there from 8:15 to 10am.
and i believe that there were even some kites from 6am to 7:30am.
chronic
chronic
NSW
318 posts
NSW, 318 posts
7 Mar 2007 5:09pm
exactly,when its like this during the day why would you bother with Manly and the crowds of people everywhere.
Uncle Rico
Uncle Rico
NSW
200 posts
NSW, 200 posts
7 Mar 2007 7:03pm
Why would you kite manly when the NSWKBA has asked that you don't? We should be paying as much, if not more attention to the requests of our own representatives than that of the SLC guys.
ltim
ltim
NSW
44 posts
NSW, 44 posts
7 Mar 2007 7:34pm
Manly is definatley not a place to kite for people who need to ask this question.

It takes strong familiarity of the local conditions to stay away from the trouble that the Surfers, swimmers, surf school students, currents, waves, wind turbulance, trees and concrete pipes can cause.

Jezza, don't encourage anyone to kite there.

There have been minimal accidents in the past 5 years that I have lived there, lets keep it like that. The relationship with the council, surf school and life guards is in direct proportion to the skill level of the riders there.

Don't **** it up.
NBKboarding
NBKboarding
NSW
8 posts
NSW, 8 posts
7 Mar 2007 9:09pm
Thanks for your feedback Em. Just out of curiosity, how long have you been in Sydney? I've only seen you around since this summer and you seem to think you have more knowledge than most of the natives here...

On another note... I don't disagree with any of you. Manly is a dangerous place to kite. I DON'T suggest kiting there.

J
NSW, 4382 posts
8 Mar 2007 12:04am
G'day

I think you will find that there is a council bylaw that banns the flying of steerable kites on the beach or foreshore.
The Lifeguards are turning a blind eye to it, maybe?

I have heard that you can get away with it after the Lifeguards go home, but there are heaps better places within 30 mins drive, like Longy.

Same with Bondi, the council laws were formulated to stop people flying steerable kites, and they certainly do enforce it.

Just try flying a sport kite or kitesurfing kite on the beach at Manly or Bondi, guaranteed you will be stopped within minutes, argue and you will lose your gear!

Avoid both spots.

Cya and

Goodwinds

steve
em
em
318 posts
em em
318 posts
10 Mar 2007 1:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by NBKboarding

Thanks for your feedback Em. Just out of curiosity, how long have you been in Sydney? I've only seen you around since this summer and you seem to think you have more knowledge than most of the natives here...
J



NBKboarding
Here we go again in the wonderful biting world of seabreeze....
"Native", "native", let me think....
The only Australian natives I know of are aboriginals and I haven't seen one kiting, so not sure what "natives" you're referring to....
I'd like to get educated on what makes a kitesurfer a "local" kitesurfer. Does he have to be born there? Is living in a place and kitesurfing there on a regular basic not good enough to feel involved?
Are you trying to say that because I'm not an Aussie I shouldn't care if some spots get banned?
I kite everywhere in Sydney, up and down the coast (thats more likely why you don't see me much, cause I just love my space...), and I have always tried to protect the sport no matter where I've worked and kited for the past 4 years (it's called being passionate...). I think it's precisely when people don't feel concerned because they're not "locals" that things get slack.
To answer your question, I have been in Sydney for 2 years and I honestly couldn't care less who does what, the only reason why I've replied to the post is out of consideration for my friends Gavin, Pete, Caela, Marcel, Alex etc who have been working really hard for NSWKBA, and with whom I had extended conversations regarding Manly... I replied out of respect towards their work, and the fact that I work in the industry myself... If the people who work in this industry don't care and aren't the ones trying to help keeping things together, then who will?
I hadn't quite figured that "very naughty non-Aussie me" shouldn't get involved with the local rules nor feel concerned about the spots I kite on....
My sincere apology, I won't get caught again "giving a damn" and will make sure I leave it up to the "natives", whoever they are...
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
10 Mar 2007 5:01pm
hjey em,

Aren't you an aussie
Aren't you a "native"

So what
I really welcome your very polite ande nice way to explain the reasons why manly is not a good spot as well as your involvement with the kitesurfing comunity in Australia.
It takes special qualities and a real love for the sport to do it, so:

Emily, you got my respect and full support

And do you know, I an not a "native" either, but I also love kitesurfing.
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
10 Mar 2007 7:17pm
Its a bit much that a bunch of people from Botany Bay think that they can tell Northern Beaches locals where to kite!
Have some of those people that you(Em) mention ever BEEN to Manly ?

Marcel,Caela,etc???? Who are they??

Howabout banning Brighton and Dolls Point. They look like very dangerous spots to me. Plus there is always threats of bans at these spots. I also hear there is trouble brewing at Wandsa !
AP
AP
WA
121 posts
AP AP
WA, 121 posts
10 Mar 2007 10:51pm
Thank FOOK that I don't live in Scum Valley (Bondi) anymore.

GL all you guys in Sydney.
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
11 Mar 2007 3:05pm
quote:
Originally posted by user

Its a bit much that a bunch of people from Botany Bay think that they can tell Northern Beaches locals where to kite!
Have some of those people that you(Em) mention ever BEEN to Manly ?

Marcel,Caela,etc???? Who are they??

Howabout banning Brighton and Dolls Point. They look like very dangerous spots to me. Plus there is always threats of bans at these spots. I also hear there is trouble brewing at Wandsa !



User,

Whith all do respect, is their local issue.
Noboddy from NSW is telling you where and when to kite in WA.
We don't know what are their problems and issues with local councills, so, from 3000 km, what would we know?
As well as, how would we know, from where we are, the locals in Sydney?
Is their local issue, if we cannot help, let not get involved, especially in a negative way.
And by te way "Marcel,Caela,etc" they are people, loving the sport, getting involved with the community, triyng to progress the sport.

Cheers
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