Would the real gun please stand up.. ..(sorry about the pun)..

Today was a pretty crappy day here in Melbourne and I decided to do a little comparo of the two gun boards.

I was just taking pics because there were no big waves.

The 11'6" Naish gun and the 12' PSH gun.



I was about to start taking pictures when I spotted something unusual on the table nearby.



I don't think they were Aussies but I thought I better check it out anyway.



They insisted on sharing.. .. I'll post the rest of my pictures soon..

DJ

Yeah Oliver.. Pretty weird alright.

I picked up the PSH gun from SHQ and she looks like a real beauty.



Loading it onto the roof of my car I got a good look at the rocker.



It looked flat.. Real flat.





I then drove to RPS because I knew they had the Naish gun.. Wow.. What a difference.



The planshape of the two boards are very similar.. Classic gun shape.



I loaded them onto the roof of my little zook and drove down to Elwood beach so I could compare the two boards side by side.

DJ

Now you can see the difference, the Naish looks like a banana compared to the PSH

Hi DJ,

Did you happen to put a straight edge across the bottom of each board, the PSH is a big single concave into a double or spiral V from what I could make out.

I would be interested to know how the Naish is shaped.

The Nose kick in the Naish is similar to the rocker used by Mickey Munoz in the 12ft Ultra Glide my all time favorite big boy ripping long board way too much fun!

Phill

Great post DJ, very interesting to see them side by side.....and is it just me....or is it slightly weird to see them in the missionary position!

Great post DJ. I'm guessing that flat rocker is what makes the PSH more of an all round board. The Naish looks more of a dedicated Gun to me. It would be interesting to see the rocker on Piros' RH Gun. Hmmm, might have to have another look at his photos.

I think this has been on before but it's pretty darn good. I reckon it's the Naish 11'6" gun.

I've paddled both boards and as far as an allrounder goes I think the PSH wins hands down.

As far as using these boards as down winding boards I think the Naish has too much rocker and too tippy unless you're a featherweight.

The PSH almost doesn't have enough rocker in the nose area (IMO) for down winders but it's stable enough and could be done.

I think the PSH would also work better in small waves because of the extra glide.

But if you're looking at big wave charging with late takeoffs and full rail digging bottom turns the Naish looks much more the right board.

There's no doubt that the PSH will also work in big waves and Blane and others has proven that.

When I paddled the PSH gun the other day I was surprised at just how stable it was..and how much glide that it had.. I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a big easy board with a gun shape..but it's something like that.

When I paddled the Naish gun in October last year I could hardly stand on the thing.. It was so narrow even tho 28" isn't all that narrow the full width is only for a very short section of the board and that narrow persian-slipper type nose sits way out of the water and the tail is also very narrow.

I had to kneel paddle it to get out and once standing the sweet spot to balance was so small.. But then I'm 90 kg..and not that good..

JB is my weight and he handled it ok...a lighter person would be fine I'm sure.

The PSH keeps its width for much longer.. The nose sits low and the tail is a bit wider so no wonder it's much more stable.

But here's the odd thing..

The Naish that I paddled was about 28" wide and only about 4" thick max.. I took a picture of the bottom of the Naish gun yesterday look what it said.



I didn't notice this till after looking at my pictures.. Maybe it's a typo error on the board.. It didn't seem that thick.

I'll have to check to make sure that's right because if Naish have changed the guns dimensions it should be much better for the average Joe.

I'm sure if Blane reads this I'm sure to cop a lashing but it's just what I think..and I'd be interested to hear what others think..

DJ

I dont know a lot about boards, But i have seen a lot of different boards and IMO i feel the PSH boards win hands down. More refined

Im a firm believer in if a board looks good it will go well.

If you have ever looked at a board and thought to yourself hmmm

Then you know what im on about.

I will always buy PSH myself as the back up service is great and the information on there boards is spot on.

Just my thoughts on the two boards, Naish are a great board i guess but a long way behind the PSH.

Yes, That adds to my point that you can tell who is a dedicated to SUP development 'PSH' and who is in it for the ride.

But DJ does do and has done a awsome job on this post

But these are just my views and feelings on the matter.

I could have purchased naish 10x over here and cheaper but i decided on PSH but was after much investigation.

log man said...

Makes you think Doesn't it . Two boards dedicated to a specific part of the sport and yet so different in design . I would have expected more similarities but each board seems so completely unique(?). Okay ,I'm going to sound like a complete philistine ,but here goes . There seems to be no design theory that that is common to to these two boards but I'm sure both would surf,paddle,glide,etc as good as each other .

I think DJ said in some where that the PSH has much better glide due to less rocker....I can't speak from a SUP perspective but as the owner of my own share of shortboard guns I prefer less rock longe drawn out pin tail....wide point at at three quaters the way up and extra beef fro those windy days

With a bottom curve like this , it's not a big wave chaser.It will bounce all over the place , look closely at the video and you will see it there is now way he could lean into a turn.

Rob

Looking at the first image in the video you can see that the tail is level with the surface and the nose is sticking way up, just like the pic from RPS.

Thanks DJ ,great report ... as always

goatman said...

Bigger waves should equal more overall rocker. To me the PSH has been designed to be a bit of an allrounder, hence the lack of rocker for a supposedly big wave gun.

The Naish looks too rockered to me, same with their smaller 'pointy nose' models.

A happy medium would be nice. I would love a bit more nose and tail lift on my 9 3 ripper, would allow tighter surfing in the pocket. The trick is to put enough in but not loose the great drive that it has.

To Blane's credit - even with it's flattish rocker (the 9 3) - it never tracks on a big wave - which makes it an excellent big wave board in it's own right (Aussie big waves that is).

goatman said...

Agreed, fantastic stuff DJ. Great to be able to check out the 2 diff shooters like that. Cheers.

Makes it easy when someone else posts and you agree entirely....

I like that board Is it epoxy?? Looks like polyester