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Szcuby Doo
Szcuby Doo
WA
4 posts
WA, 4 posts
6 Feb 2006 5:45am
Hi all..

Am heading to the US for a couple of weeks and see it as a chance to pick up some kit..

Anyone have suggestions/experience ordering from US based websites?
Will be mainly snowboarding so won't have time to do the rounds of the shops, but can have stuff delivered to me...

Interested in getting a board at least, and maybe a SS kite...

Suggestions welcome!

Ta,
Szcuby Doo

NSW, 4382 posts
6 Feb 2006 8:54am
Why not just get it here and claim back the GST, shop around for a good deal and then claim back an extra 10% discount from the government?
Spend your kitesurfing $$ in Australia, the industry is not that big that we can afford to lose heaps of sales to overseas, the industry here needs your $$ to survive so that it can be around when you need service.

What happens if you need to claim warranty? You might be Ok on some kite brands, but it is going to be hard to get a warranty claim on a board.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
cesarhanke
cesarhanke
QLD
68 posts
QLD, 68 posts
6 Feb 2006 2:09pm
how can you claim the GST??
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
6 Feb 2006 4:41pm
You can claim 10% back when you take the goods out of the country.

Must have spent more than $300 at the one shop and must have been bought within 30 days of departure.

Also, it is meant to be for carry on luggage only, but this can be avoided.

Mind you, when you bring it back into the country, we will get the GST back from you (minus inflation).
NSW, 4382 posts
6 Feb 2006 4:49pm
quote:
Originally posted by Monkeykiter

You can claim 10% back when you take the goods out of the country.

Must have spent more than $300 at the one shop and must have been bought within 30 days of departure.

Also, it is meant to be for carry on luggage only, but this can be avoided.

Mind you, when you bring it back into the country, we will get the GST back from you (minus inflation).



I have never heard of anyone being asked to pay GST on their posessions thay bring back with them from overseas. I have travelled with friends several times and watched them do it.

Do you work for Customs Monkeykiter? Is this a rule that you know something about?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
7 Feb 2006 3:03pm
Hi Steve,

Yes I am a Customs Officer.

A good Customs Officer would be aware of all goods the passenger has in possesion.

We rely on the intuative of this Officer to request invoices/receipts of the goods are suspected of being less than 12 months old and worth enough money to justify a taxable import.

As kite surfing is not widely recognised as an 'expensive' sport, it is unfortunately rather easy to bring these goods in undetected, as a Customs Officer may not be aware of their retail value.


look at it this way. If you bought a $10,000 diamond ring in Sydney, then travelled to New Zealand , claiming your 10% GST back ($1000) on the way out... Surely you can see that we want that $1000 back when you bring the ring back in to Australia 1 week later.

Otherwise everyone would do this for expensive goods, seeing as though you can get a return airfare to NZ for about $500



Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
7 Feb 2006 3:12pm
Also... if you use the goods overseas (just once will do) then the value of the kite will depreciate by 20% between 1 and 3 months.

So we wont charge you as much GST on the way back in.
kiterpilot
kiterpilot
WA
249 posts
WA, 249 posts
7 Feb 2006 12:43pm
you've just been told steve......
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
7 Feb 2006 12:49pm
but kite equipment depreciates about 50% once its used. Either way you have to spend an extra 1/2hr at perth airport to have everything scanned. Lifting your bags up onto an xray machine after a 32hr flight is ****ed.


well i just brought back a 1200Aud brand new, not a cent.
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
7 Feb 2006 4:43pm
Thanks for the info Carbine.

I'll send someone out to get our $120 off you!
jjd
jjd
WA
705 posts
jjd jjd
WA, 705 posts
7 Feb 2006 1:44pm
going to the US shortly too

so besides comments as to supporting local business, etc, anyone got any comments as to value, etc, in buying gear in the US?
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
7 Feb 2006 1:57pm
warranty.

but to be honest the warranty you get through most shops in aus is ****ing useless anyway.
Hurrah
Hurrah
NSW
382 posts
NSW, 382 posts
7 Feb 2006 5:26pm
Just an example:

You buy a SS TD and you get the Bar that has no metal insert.

SS then issue a replacement world wide BUT you buy it o'seas.

You gotta send back o'seas to get it replaced.

Get it in OZ and the sydney dealer will even swap out the lines for you Free of Charge. That's not useless if you ask me. I know it's a little more Exy in OZ but you take on the risk if you want.

You have a choice.

Regarding the GST claim, That's only gonna work on kites that can be packed down to a back pack size and small accesories. I made the mistake of listening to a Ski shop in the city when they conned me into buying skis and boots then claiming back the GST at the airport.

Problem is they forgot to mention that you need to present it at the counter AFTER customs. Uh you can't bring anything large past the customs area, only carry on. Anyway Lucky I rang customs to check and got names. when I rocked up and tried to claim and they refused, they HAD to help me out by inspecting the goods in departures then sending on a note to the counter past customs that I actually am departing with said goods. This was a very special case and it was made clear to me that it will not occur again. I was gone for 12 months and thoroughly used the gear.

Hope the experience helps
jjd
jjd
WA
705 posts
jjd jjd
WA, 705 posts
7 Feb 2006 3:03pm
ok - so there are a number of negatives to take into account like service and warranty.

Anyone got any idea as to any positives such as price?
NSW, 4382 posts
8 Feb 2006 8:46am
quote:
Originally posted by kiterpilot

you've just been told steve......



Errr I think we all have Kiterpilot?
Thanks for the heads up Monkeykiter, I was not aware of some of the details of the TRS.
I have just agreed to sponsor a guy down here who is a customs officer, I'll have a chat with him about all of this. I guess CO's have a lot of dangerous and illegal stuff that they need to look for these days, and it is a busy and stressful job, so that might explain why it seemed as if my friends returning with their kites after 3 weeks were ignored?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
FreeFerty
FreeFerty
NSW
169 posts
NSW, 169 posts
8 Feb 2006 10:34am
Surely if the value of the goods as annotated on the receipt are below the duty free allowance (900 from memory for normal passengers) no GST can be charged.
PS which port do you work at monkey?
Hurrah
Hurrah
NSW
382 posts
NSW, 382 posts
8 Feb 2006 10:39am
Actually unless you get a killer deal, there is not much in savings when considering retail and you DON'T know the shop in the US

e.g Airush Halo USD780 + USD 225 bar and lines = USD1005 ~ AUD1376 @ 0.73 Ex rate

Here in OZ the Halo retails for $1799 Less GST = $1619 at retail around $250 diff
IF you know your shop and ask for a discount, you prob could cut that down signnificantly.

Remember also that the US is in Winter mode at present so not many places to kite unless you plan on using a Drysuit. Also if you are not kiting then Lugging a kit around will also be a huge pain

On top of this some kites in the US are more expensive than in OZ for eg the Crossbow is $1549 USD vs AUD1980

Do the maths and it may not be worth it
thwacker
thwacker
2 posts
2 posts
8 Feb 2006 8:06am
ive looked into buying stuff online from the US however it doesnt work out that much cheaper. eg Best Pro series US$499 = A$ 680 compared with Stonker 130 for A$ 825 delivered.
I now ride Stonker and recommend this board as its great Aussie built product. Alex at Stonker stands behind this product. Occasionally he has factory seconds (deck print not perfect) for arround $650

Visit www.stonker.com

El
Bart
Bart
QLD
34 posts
QLD, 34 posts
8 Feb 2006 1:22pm
I travel to the US quite regularly and in my opinion the savings are not significant enough (in the US itself)to warrant the hassle.

carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
8 Feb 2006 11:40am
other places might be though. Best has a retailer in bali now, selling at US rates
Bowski
Bowski
VIC
204 posts
VIC, 204 posts
8 Feb 2006 10:31pm
i have bought most of my gear, and mates gear from www.offdalip.com, jeff chang is the head dude there, he has been unbelievably helpful, honoured more than he should of with warranty claims, sends everything free if there is a claim, replaced all bladders if one failed, no complaints from here. The strength of the aud will always determine what works best for you, having said all that i buy a fair bit from local shops. I have bought 5 sets of sea specs in the last 2 years from my local shop, still waiting to see if they will back their product.
freestyla
freestyla
WA
22 posts
WA, 22 posts
8 Feb 2006 8:52pm
quote:
Originally posted by carbine

warranty.

but to be honest the warranty you get through most shops in aus is ****ing useless anyway.



I don't know where you have been shopping I have had no probs at all with warranties in Oz. A good dealer local to you would help you out if you happened to have a prob with your gear, regardless of whether it was a warranty job or not
And yeah, if you ask for a price in Oz, you normally get quoted better than retail nowadays anyway
Keep your money here, I think the industry does need it. I'll keep buying here anyway - just my 2 cents
Ian Grose
Ian Grose
TAS
423 posts
TAS, 423 posts
9 Feb 2006 3:37pm
When comparing costs don't forget that it is more common now for brands to request that kites are returned to place of purchase for any warranty issues or at very least cover freight and duty if any items are replaced.

If you import a kite yourself under Australian law you are deemed to be the manufacturer, in the case of a product indemnity claim.

That is if a product you import causes injury to another person and it is proven that the bad design or manufacture of the kite is the cause. You can be sued. That is why as an importer we all pay tens of thousands of dollars for insurance. It's an unlikely senario, but the cost of warranties and insurance does add to the price of gear.

Let the buyer beware.

Ian Grose
derek72
derek72
WA
50 posts
WA, 50 posts
10 Feb 2006 9:26am
To answer the original post, i went to the US for work a few months ago (about November). Work for me is near 3rd Ave CA and there are plenty of kite shops there but it was just after end of season which is great timing for buying cheap. The wind there is crap over winter and the gear is very seasonally purchased. I went to two shops and both had huge end of season discounts. I bought an Underground FLX42 (ironically made in NZ) for USD$399 (Aus$marked down from about $799 so i reckon that is a bargain. I freighted it home via inter-office mail at work (don't tell them it's not a server). Funily enough the guy in the shop was telling me the local gear made at Santa Cruz etc was all local rubbish, it's funny how imported kit is always supposedly cooler wherever you are.

I found the price of kites worked out about the same from what i saw, however he had some great deals on 05 model second hand kites but i didn't buy one.

I am guessing the web sellers don't have off season sales as good as the shops so I'd try finding the small shop's websites, some of them list their clearance deals then maybe buy from them delivered same/next day to your US location. Also keep in mind many US shops cover snow boarding as well as kiting so you might find some kiting shops near the snow you are going to.

I found the kite shops where i was going using this page:
http://www.sfkitesurfing.com/
I just had a look at this page www.asdwindsurfing.com/kite.htm and they have these "blowouts"
2005 KITEBOARDS
North Dragon Small 399.00
North Sumo 148 325.00
Naish Haze 153 325.00
RRD TripleX 128 299.00
RRD Triple X 130 299.00
RRD BS 160 249.00

To the shop guys, i bought almost all of my other kit locally but if i am in the US and at a kite shop and can buy a board for about half price i will do it and did. Peace :)
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