Other cabrinhas like the C02 with the recon system are the same, don't come with a safety leash. I was always worried that it would come out so i would use a secondary donkey dick, there was no way that would come out then. Maybe a few of the bow kiters could consider this.

Back in the early days,
crew would give me sh1t about never using a kite leash.

Still don't use a leash,
but now I'm in good company with all the bowsters. LOL.

No doubt - leashes are essential.
Bow kiters should also seriously consider this advice from Darren (on another thread). If you have to muck around to get a leash in place then one which allows complete flagging, 100% depower, of your kite has to be the best way to go.

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Originally posted by Kitehard

Hi Peeps,

After having checked out and flown both Slingshot Turbo Diesel and Cabrinha Crossbow and Switchblade, I totally recommend setting up a sliding leash or re-ride system as none of these kites come from the manufacturer with a leash which totally depowers the kite in the event of a bridle tangle which prevents relaunch.

It is easy to do, just buy a small stainless steel ring and attach one of the front lines to it after it passes through the centre line ring that it was formerly attached to, then attach the suicide leash to the new ring, this is a much safer option as relaunch, especially in surf, is dubious on ALL bow kites that I have flown if the lines have gone slack and the kite has flipped creating a bridle tangle.

They are all great kites and just need to have this minor mod done to make them safer.

Good winds,

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I agree carbine.
The 95% depower with relaunchabilty is a great feature. But it is possible to have both (at least on the flat kites I've checked you can). You can keep your relaunch setup and install a kite leash as per 'kitehards' method. Throw the bar to 95% depower 99.9% of the time but have the option of dropping to a flagged kite when the shet really hits the fan OR when you unintentionally become unhooked (which is what, I think, is happening in most of these kite rescue incidents)

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Originally posted by ellery

Other cabrinhas like the C02 with the recon system are the same, don't come with a safety leash. I was always worried that it would come out so i would use a secondary donkey dick, there was no way that would come out then. Maybe a few of the bow kiters could consider this.

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Cab Element here - Didn't come with one, didn't kite until I bought a safety leash... easy...

here's how to solve the problem - if you know someone isn't using a leash, don't rescue thier kite - they will get the message soon enough after they get a few kites trashed by trees, surf, rocks, etc...

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Originally posted by kitecrazy

a short leash from your chicken loop to your harness is all you need
because if you release this pulls the chicken loop towards you and the bar away which depowers the kite without tangles etc
when you want to relaunch you just pull the leash in
I guess this would only work if the kite didnt have a stopper ball
like the waroo

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I only kite in waves so having a strangle-pass leash is not desirable for me.
My connection to my kite is the chicken line, plus I never kite unhooked.
What matters to me is having a foolproof donkey dick to keep the chicken loop in place,
under all situations.

Safe kiting,
waveslave.

If the chicken loop fails,your harness fails or the safety release is accidently activated ,you will lose your kite.Get a secondary leash.

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Originally posted by CAUTION

not so safe for others tho if ur donkey dick lets u down and the kite blows onto someone else and kills them now is it?
sounds a bit harsh but it has happened now hasnt it...
come on slave, we are all responsible, why carnt u ?

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Dear CAUTION,
After comprehensive testing,
the donkey dick I developed has proven to be 100% totally foolproof.

Can you say the same about your cheap Chinese-made light-duty kite leash ?

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Originally posted by CAUTION

not so safe for others tho if ur donkey dick lets u down and the kite blows onto someone else and kills them now is it?
sounds a bit harsh but it has happened now hasnt it...
come on slave, we are all responsible, why carnt u ?

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Dear CAUTION,
After comprehensive testing,
the donkey dick I developed has proven to be 100% totally foolproof.

Can you say the same about your cheap Chinese-made light-duty kite leash ?

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SOLUTION - Why don't you both use your donkey-d and both wear a leash... It's a back-up safety protection, and I have had my donkey-d 'come out' which I didn't expect... Safety, even though you might be certain it is fullproof, is always better with a back-up.

Has anyone actually ever been strangled by their leash?

Hey Steve,

What about all those DVD's that you proudly sell from your shop ?
You know,
the ones that feature riders kitesurfing unhooked, unstrapped and unleashed.
Are those dudes in the vid uncool fools ?

Safe kiting,
waveslave.

Hey Slave

Don't try to deflect, just comply you have no excuse do you?
Stangling - what a load of %$#!

People who don't wear kite depowering leashes are uncool fools, whether they are in a DVD or on a beach in WA, like you.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

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I too use this FOOL**** donkeys DICK....
I was stoked i had a suicide attatched to the end of my DICK.....when my DICK fell out of my harness 2 k's off Scabs....NO drama...no swim....and no trying to extract my kite from any unsuspecting boogie boarder/gommet/clubby/children that are happily playing directly downwind of my DICK accident. Kite depowerered......Hovered .....i recovered....put my DICK back into my harness....Happy Days

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Dear Steve,

I only said that I don't use a strangle-pass leash.(Surf hazard)
I didn't say that I don't use a depowering device.
I self-land 99% of the time so I pack double grab-loops (left & right rear lines),
located right at bar level for instant access.

As I said before, my connection to my kite is the chicken-line and I never kite unhooked.

Safe kiting,
waveslave.

Dear Slave

If you have o-sh1t handles on both ends of your bar, then there is no excuse to not check out the spinning spreader bar thingy from Airush, that coupled with a short leash to one of the o-sh1ts and you will not lose your kite and you will be able to land it regardless of where you end up on the beach. This set up could not strangle you, and could prevent a ban provoking accident if your harness, orchicken loop broke or somehow did come off.
How can you guarantee stuff will not break??

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

"How can you guarantee stuff will not break" ??

Good question Steve, and that's my whole point.
I've seen factory-made leashes snap under load.
It's bye bye kite and the look of surprise on the face of the rider is priceless.
That's why I've gone to the trouble of making-up heavy-duty grab-loops on my industrial sewing machine .

The other weak links need to be addressed as well.
For example, quick releases that release unintentionally if you happen to activate by accident.
That's just dumb and can be overcome with a design that's better suited for the application.

If you use a chicken-loop(rather than a shackle),
the donkey dick must be foolproof, many factory-made ones aren't.
That's why I made my own.

But the main factor in the guarantee of non-failure is maintenance.
Maintenance of harnesses, maintenance of chicken lines/loops, maintenance of lines/pulleys/ bridles,
and finally maintenance of connections.

The whole kiting gear thing is a minefield riddled with hidden traps,
but most kiters seem to stumble thru it somehow.

Safe kiting,
slave.