Waist or seat harness?

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Harrow
Harrow
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17 Feb 2006 4:40pm
Off to by a new harness this weekend. Should I switch to seat, or is it like the wave sail vs slalom sail argument? (ie. one may be a bit faster, but the other is easier, more flexible, and the difference is of not much consequence unless racing, etc.)

Just like the wave sails, I see plenty of waist harnesses out on Botany Bay.

Thanks,
Harrow.
leski
leski
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17 Feb 2006 5:35pm
yep, seems that you know already what you need to know
Harrow
Harrow
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17 Feb 2006 6:07pm
leski,

Yep, I research everything to death before buying. Everyone at work reckon I could start my own "Choice" publication.

Typical work conversation:

WORK COLLEAGUE A:"Which digital camera should I buy?"

WORK COLLEAGUE B:"Just buy what Harrow bought, he spent 6 months investigating them."

No kidding, 3 guys bought the same $800 camera as me without even looking at them. Happens all the time with all sorts of stuff.

Regards,
Harrow.
mkseven
mkseven
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17 Feb 2006 7:44pm
People that want to go fast generally choose a seat harness, but they do restrict you a tiny bit. This is not to say waist harnesses are slow, phil mcgain and co use waist harnesses for formula. Similarly i've seen lots of pics of bjorn wavesailing in a seat harness. Personally I use a seat with medium hook height, there is so many more stance issues that will slow you down before a harness.

I guess the easiest is 1. What kind of sailing do you do?
2. Go try some on and see which feels comfiest.
3. Bare in mind seat's can give you a sore back from time to time, waist harnesses offer back support and also some protection when practicing loops etc.
Haircut
Haircut
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17 Feb 2006 8:55pm
Its all to do with fashion - seat harnesses make your doodle look bigger (a bit like the old 501 jeans dilemma) and waist harnesses hide the over-grown love handles

hmmm I really don't know which one to pick?!
Fourpaws
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17 Feb 2006 9:56pm
Hey Harrow, if I traded my wife in for a new model wich one should I get?





*obviously she isnt reading this :) *
Haircut
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17 Feb 2006 9:05pm
btw, you must be keeping that Sydney store in business
Gestalt
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17 Feb 2006 9:13pm
i just go with whatever sail i'm on,

if i take a slalom sail in the surf or flat water then i will use a seat harness.
if i take a wave sail on flat water or suf then i use a waist harness.

waist for wave sails, i can easily get in and out for jumps and stuff
seat for slalom/race sails. locked in for speed.... if i am running really deep downwind i find the seat harness a bit awkward but it makes up for it on other points of sail.

i recently lost my waist harness and have to use my seat harness on my wave sails... not happy jan.
Harrow
Harrow
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17 Feb 2006 10:23pm
quote:
Originally posted by Fourpaws

Hey Harrow, if I traded my wife in for a new model wich one should I get?

*obviously she isnt reading this :) *


Fourpaws,

Sorry, but after doing the research on that and finding the perfect one, I got the only one in stock!

Regards,
Harrow.
Harrow
Harrow
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17 Feb 2006 10:26pm
quote:
Originally posted by Haircut

Its all to do with fashion - seat harnesses make your doodle look bigger (a bit like the old 501 jeans dilemma) and waist harnesses hide the over-grown love handles

hmmm I really don't know which one to pick?!


Thanks Haircut,

You just my choice simple - waist harness.
(I've got a big doodle and some small handles)

Regards,
Harrow.
Haircut
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17 Feb 2006 9:37pm
kewl

going from seat to waist a couple o years ago myself, i reckon the waist is alot better too, but some cause rubbing if the seams are in the wrong place, and some folk complain about the harness riding up under their armpits. If you are a v torso shape youshould have no probs with it riding up. However, it is very difficult to tell untill u use it for 4 hours straight, and thats when the problems show up.

cheers

Harrow
Harrow
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17 Feb 2006 10:53pm
Haircut,

Huh, 4 hours straight. I think I know who hasn't get three young kids. I don't think I'm gonna have to worry about that for about a decade.

Harrow.
Haircut
Haircut
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17 Feb 2006 10:06pm
well i have kind of inherited two, but they are now 14 and 20 yo, and don't spend much time here. However, i know sailors who do have them much younger and full time, and still manage to spend just as much time on the water. U just need to develop your essential watersports negotiation techniques
Gestalt
Gestalt
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17 Feb 2006 10:12pm
hey haircut,

i need some help with my "essential watersports negotiation techniques"

got any tips...
Haircut
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17 Feb 2006 10:15pm
1. own two cars

2. always leave car 2 loaded with gear

3a. say "I'll service your car honey, gotta duck out and buy some parts "

3b. say "baby, luv what u r wearing, you look hot! I'm gonna go sailing now "

4. run to car (keep car in perfect running order so it starts first time)

5. drive, keep driving

6. like Don Henley says, "don't look back, you can never look back!"

7. turn off all communication devices

8. keep a hidden fridge full of chocolates, flowers, candles, champaign, and importanly - shiny things - ready for when u get home

Gestalt
Gestalt
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17 Feb 2006 11:19pm
i like it,,,,

these are what i have tried so far and failed with...

1. honey, i am going to the shops to get some bread, have you seen my harness?

2. gotta drop by Caloundra wind and surf, i need the credit card for petrol....

3. sweetheart can we take the family to the beach on sunday... the forecast is 30 knots.

4. darling i found a great new spot. it has a kids playground.

5. do we have to put the second child seat in the car. i can't fit my 8.5 in now.

6. i hope you don't mind but you may have to get in the car from the drivers side.

7. but darling, it takes me an hour to setup then i sail for half an hour then the gear needs to dry and then i need to de-rig. so i'll be gone for 5 hours.

8. can we not see your family this xmas, there is a cyclone forecast.

9. yes i went to work today, no i don't know how the sand got in the car.

10.. will you mary me. i hear hawaii is good for a honeymoon. they have loads of things to do for couples and the swell will be cranking..
Haircut
Haircut
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17 Feb 2006 11:23pm
11. Honey, would u mind riding on the roof?

12. but baby, I'm happy to make two trips. I'll come back and get u, i promise
Haircut
Haircut
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17 Feb 2006 11:33pm
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt

6. i hope you don't mind but you may have to get in the car from the drivers side.




LOL too close to the truth
Gestalt
Gestalt
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17 Feb 2006 11:34pm
yes, i've actually used that.

still feel bad to this day.

still together 10 years later
Haircut
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17 Feb 2006 11:40pm
same here
md74
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17 Feb 2006 11:47pm
my tip for going windsurfing, married with 2 teenage girls

1) send them shopping

2) act and behave extremely stressed for the day before the big winds are forecast, if you play your cards right, and never mention windsurfing, she, the wife, shall actually suggest you go windsurfing to unwind! Kind of a baby seal technique, get them to feel sorry for you!

regards the harness, i personally dont like looking as though ive been out abseiling and my balls are popped forward in a pronounced position, so on that basis, and that basis alone, I go your standard waist harness, the Dakine one is awesome, doesnt ride up.

haircut, see you on the water
Gestalt
Gestalt
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17 Feb 2006 11:51pm
yes,

i too have 2 daughters. one 3 years old almost. one new born. that makes 3 against 1

so i have no balls and really like seat harnesses.
Haircut
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17 Feb 2006 11:51pm
will do
mkseven
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18 Feb 2006 1:20am
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt

i like it,,,,

these are what i have tried so far and failed with...

1. honey, i am going to the shops to get some bread, have you seen my harness?

2. gotta drop by Caloundra wind and surf, i need the credit card for petrol....

3. sweetheart can we take the family to the beach on sunday... the forecast is 30 knots.

4. darling i found a great new spot. it has a kids playground.

5. do we have to put the second child seat in the car. i can't fit my 8.5 in now.

6. i hope you don't mind but you may have to get in the car from the drivers side.

7. but darling, it takes me an hour to setup then i sail for half an hour then the gear needs to dry and then i need to de-rig. so i'll be gone for 5 hours.

8. can we not see your family this xmas, there is a cyclone forecast.

9. yes i went to work today, no i don't know how the sand got in the car.

10.. will you mary me. i hear hawaii is good for a honeymoon. they have loads of things to do for couples and the swell will be cranking..



Holy crap Gestalt, I've said/done those exact things over the years (looks around for hidden cameras)
Itch
Itch
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18 Feb 2006 8:51pm
Harrow
Do you live on a computer at work Not that it matters but you seem to live on this site I can only look at home much to my kids disgust.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
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19 Feb 2006 1:50pm
quote:
Originally posted by Haircut

same here



Haaaaaaaaa, haaaaaaaaaaaaaa

This is all sooooo true. Family and sailboard are a hard mix. Trying to get my eldest daughter into it. Pity she's only eight, but I'm sure it's the best strategy.

Yeah, I'm on a computer all day at work with high speed internet. This forum makes it easier to get through the day.

Regards,
Harrow.
Itch
Itch
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19 Feb 2006 2:14pm
Harrow I have managed to get my 12 year old daughter to sail a little.She sails on a start small with a 3.3m sailworks.Last weekend at narrabean lakes she managed to sail it in 15knots.Have a 1.7m sailworks retro ripper as well but my 10 year old son is still afraid to give it a go.
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