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FreeFerty

NSW

169 posts

FreeFerty

NSW, 169 posts

6 Sep 2006 2:02pm

Hi all,
I'm coming into my second season, I think its time to learn some unhooked moves. Any advice for what to try first? I can currently do grabs and backrolls without sending the kite. Should i master more hooked in stuff first? Is it too ambitious to try and get handlepasses going this season?
See you on the water
FF

JayP

QLD

249 posts

JayP

QLD, 249 posts

6 Sep 2006 2:22pm

Hey i just logged in to ask this very question, have the basic hooked in moves down, now i want to try something unhooked. i have no problems landing 360's wakeboarding what would be different kiting?

should the kite be powered or unpowered when we unhook?

thanks

tannum_kiter

46 posts

tannum_kiter

46 posts

6 Sep 2006 12:41pm

powered.....

the_kite_kid

9 posts

the_kite_kid

9 posts

6 Sep 2006 12:41pm

Yo, is this the the JP from PoM? This is PR...are you in QLD at the Moment?

carbine

1450 posts

carbine

WA, 1450 posts

6 Sep 2006 1:06pm

quote:
Originally posted by tannum_kiter

powered.....

Your name is tannum_kiter but your saying to ride powered.

LOL, anyone else see the irony?

JayP

QLD

249 posts

JayP

QLD, 249 posts

6 Sep 2006 3:19pm

hi Kite Kid, yeah its me JP from POM. i would have PNG on my ID but seabreeze does not have it listed as an option. I'll be in bris to do a surf judging course on the 30th looking for a kite after that tho! when will you be back in town?

back to the unhooked business, is it better to start with shorter lines than normal, i usually ride 26m but have a 20m bar set up as well.

Spacemonkey!

2288 posts

Spacemonkey!

SA, 2288 posts

6 Sep 2006 3:19pm

You cant start soon enough, try anything you like. Raileys are the easiest, surface passes and then i suppose 3-0's. If you truly do it off pop all unhooked tricks will cain you pretty much the exact same ammount so theres no reason not to go anything in that respect.

clanga

20 posts

clanga

WA, 20 posts

6 Sep 2006 3:38pm

carbine are u joking, tannum crew shred.

power is everything but

congo abrezio

285 posts

congo abrezio

NT, 285 posts

6 Sep 2006 6:49pm

i dont get the tannum joke???

carbine

1450 posts

carbine

WA, 1450 posts

6 Sep 2006 7:51pm

14knots doesn't equal powered.

GreenPat

QLD

4107 posts

GreenPat

QLD, 4107 posts

6 Sep 2006 10:41pm

I've just worked out the motions required for proper pop doing raleys at the cable park. To get this on a kite, lets say aiming for unhooked raleys, what angle should I make with the wind? If I'm still charging upwind at 25 degrees there's going to be a lot of load on the old arms and my kite might be a bit low. I'm guessing I'd be best off to flatten off a bit, or even go downwind briefly, have a bit of speed and have the kite around 45 degress? Can anyone confirm?

carbine

1450 posts

carbine

WA, 1450 posts

6 Sep 2006 8:58pm

kite angle doesnt really mater for learning, put it as high as you want.

When your comfy put it as low as you can.

kiterpilot

249 posts

kiterpilot

WA, 249 posts

6 Sep 2006 9:11pm

kite angle matters heaps for learning unhooked tricks carbone !

Learn to load and pop keeping the kite at 45 degs, try small jumps first then build on this by throwing your legs behind you and extending your arms out in front (super man style). Raleys are the basis for pretty much all unhooked tricks !

regards browneee

carbine

1450 posts

carbine

WA, 1450 posts

6 Sep 2006 9:33pm

for looks it matters but to get the idea of popping and controlling the power its easier to start the kite out high then put it lower as you get better.

GreenPat

QLD

4107 posts

GreenPat

QLD, 4107 posts

6 Sep 2006 11:35pm

Sorry I didn't make myself clear, not what kite angle, but what angle should I be tracking on the water in relation to the wind? Upwind, downwind or perpendicular to the wind? I figure 45 degress kite angle is good, that's what I want to try with, but what direction should I be heading?

carbine

1450 posts

carbine

WA, 1450 posts

6 Sep 2006 9:45pm

seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=2292

greenleader

QLD

5283 posts

greenleader

QLD, 5283 posts

6 Sep 2006 11:47pm

monkeys and strippers get paid for tricks.
peanuts, bananas or five dolla bills.

applause comes from big slow high skilful moves or wave shredding.

spectator 1 : oh dear, that fellow just had an unfortunate fit in the air whilst he was paragliding, i hope he is alright. he made a big splash!

different location.
spectator 2 :geezus krist, did you see how high that daredevil went!?!? how good is that, i must check out this sport , it looks like so much fun.

NJPornstar

790 posts

NJPornstar

WA, 790 posts

6 Sep 2006 11:16pm

Do a to test for yourself first.

Do an unhooked kiteloop.
understand what the consequences are.

Usually you try a pass and "boom!" a kite loop,
or you pass the bar and "boom!" a kite loop.

Be sure your safety can handle the kitloop pressure.

AND is easily relaunchable with out inverting....or
Its swim swim swim

BOOMAN

VIC

333 posts

BOOMAN

VIC, 333 posts

7 Sep 2006 12:13pm

quote:

congo abrezio

285 posts

congo abrezio

NT, 285 posts

7 Sep 2006 1:53pm

quote:
Originally posted by carbine

kite angle doesnt really mater for learning, put it as high as you want.

yeh rito...i now think ur gay..

and also carbine since u live in west aus and come to Tannum soo very often you would know how much wind we get wouldnt ya??

congo abrezio

285 posts

congo abrezio

NT, 285 posts

7 Sep 2006 2:02pm

...or wherever south sandwich island is

carbine

1450 posts

carbine

WA, 1450 posts

7 Sep 2006 1:37pm

how was the coconut classic circle jerk? plenty of wind then?

I said for "learning". GET IT, WHEN YOU ARE LEARNING!!! when you can actually get pop and not just get yanked off your rail put it lower.

Do you recommend for beginners to ride pulley and bindings?

4DICE

QLD

158 posts

4DICE

QLD, 158 posts

7 Sep 2006 4:28pm

before doing tricks unhooked, it is good to just unhook and have a cruz to get the feel of it. also you should practice unhooking and hooking in. the 1st moves i did were just small jumps of waves with no extensoin.

congo abrezio

285 posts

congo abrezio

NT, 285 posts

7 Sep 2006 5:46pm

dude so u judge a place for its wind from 2 of the 365 days of the year do ya???

i never sed anything about learning and boots and a pulley bar i sed about learning wake tricks with ya kite at lunch. ya may aswell be hooked in

Rhys McClintock

NSW

995 posts

Rhys McClintock

NSW, 995 posts

7 Sep 2006 9:13pm

I learnt to go unhooked after the same tricks (backroll/grabs)and went straight into raileys...
in order i think it went
Railey
a kinda backwards sbend, so layed out backroll
s-bend

you can easily get those 3 down this season...
depending on where you kite, if waves try for a 3-0... if no waves use a railey to get height then go for the 3-0 on the way down...

the guys here in bindings seem to start with the kite high and send it down as they come into land... i dunno if they are learning or what but try it!

GreenPat

QLD

4107 posts

GreenPat

QLD, 4107 posts

7 Sep 2006 11:04pm

Thank you Carbine, just as I suspected. Something to think about anyway, now the next step is to get the hell out of Ghana and go try somewhere.

I'm going for lower kite to start with unhooked as I've got a reasonable handle on proper popping off the rail from several hundred hours at the cable park.

green': Spectators and applause be blowed, I'm only kiting for one person.

greenleader

QLD

5283 posts

greenleader

QLD, 5283 posts

7 Sep 2006 11:10pm

ken winner?

FreeFerty

NSW

169 posts

FreeFerty

NSW, 169 posts

8 Sep 2006 11:07am

Thanks Rhys, just the info I was looking for, anyone got any Railey tips? Do you throw your legs back or do you just have to pop big enough that the pop sends them up? Also do you pull yourself towards the bar to get your legs back down or do they just come down when you do it right?
Thanks
FF

Rhys McClintock

NSW

995 posts

Rhys McClintock

NSW, 995 posts

8 Sep 2006 7:42pm

Its a combo of you stickin your legs up and the pop... extend your arms and look down as you do it for a better feel...
when you first do it you will hold the bar in close to your body through the whole thing, concentrate on letting them out and it all just gets easier from there...
Landing is an auto thing, you just do it...
good luck!!!

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