Night kiting Saturday 3/3/7 near Perth

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GreenPat
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1 Mar 2007 1:52am
I'm thinking Safety Bay might be a destination. The moon is one night after full, the forecast for clear skies and Laurie's graph showing the wind starting late and building to midnight at the moment.

Can anyone suggest any why nots? All pessimists please put hands up, I'm too lazy this week to try something new and daring if I can be talked out of it. Otherwise, anyone got any improvements on the idea? Different spots? Anyone want to come and join in?
gruezi
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1 Mar 2007 2:09am
Try Cott., closer to emergency room.
colinwill78
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1 Mar 2007 11:12am
there was a good thread recently about lighting your kite/self correctly in accordance with marine specifications.
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GreenPat
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1 Mar 2007 11:15am
Sorry, one day before full, was a bit liquored up last night when I posted this (great way for coming up with ideas isn't it?). The moon and sun are in opposition around the earth on Sunday, 4 March 2007 at 8:37 AM Perth time. Unless my maths is cocked up.

I'm still thinking Safety Bay, Cott might be closer to an emergency room but it's got lumpy water, and the lumps move...
airhead
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1 Mar 2007 10:35am
will be staying in safety bay this long weekend one street back from the beach!

might come and join you if i'm not too "liquored up" myself!!
sandgroper
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1 Mar 2007 11:53am
This is one for "You know they're a kook when..."

1. Sharks feed at night. The small number of night shark attacks hides the fact that 99% of swimmers dont swim at night. The RISK of shark attack at night is much higher - about 1000 more likely to be attacked by a shark at night. If you're wearing lights to attract them 10,000 times more likely to be attacked.

2. Other vessles WONT see you with or without lights but even if they do, they wont be able to work out what you are or who has right of way. If the wind drops or you crash & you end up you in the water, lights on your arms will not be seen, so at least put the lights on your helmet (oh, I forgot, kooks dont wear helmets) - on your baseball cap then. Use a big stick (thru your ears) to mount the red and green lights, and replace the propeller on your cap with a white light. (Alternatively use one of those mock "arrow through the head" things instead of a stick. Yeah, that'd suit ya.)

3. Also if you crash, how will a vessel discern that your kite and you are connected (assuming both are seen) ? They'll plough right thru you, tangle in your lines and... I just hope you realise you wont be able to pull safety while you're being tragged underwater at even a few knots. Think I'm kidding? You've never been water skiing then.

4. oh stuff it... go ahead an kill yerself. The world could do with a few less kooks.[}:)]


sandgroper
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1 Mar 2007 12:08pm
quote:
Originally posted by airhead

will be staying in safety bay this long weekend one street back from the beach! might come and join you if i'm not too "liquored up" myself!!


Hey! What a contradiction --> NIGHT kiting in SAFETY bay.

BTW, getting "liquored up" will help heaps with this caper. That way the you wont feel so much pain as you get killed or seriously injured.

Now here's a thought. I got seriously roasted when I casually suggested (paid) lessons werent necessary, after posting a pic of my kite in a tree when I got too close to one in light wind. Ppl made out like there was too much wind and I got planted in it and was lucky to be alive (etc) and as if I was a kook, even though I said right up front that there was almost no wind.

And now here's you guys talking about night kiting as if its real cool, and safety doesnt mean a damn thing.

So where are all those hypocrites now who made me apologise for not supporting (paid) lessons? Why am I the only one here now putting these kooks in their place ?

C'mon Seabreezers show some support for your sport and CONDEMN this practice (night kiting) as DANGEROUS and its practitioners as DANGEROUS FOOLS.
GreenPat
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1 Mar 2007 2:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by sandgroper

This is one for "You know they're a kook when..."

1. Sharks feed at night. The small number of night shark attacks hides the fact that 99% of swimmers dont swim at night. The RISK of shark attack at night is much higher - about 1000 more likely to be attacked by a shark at night. If you're wearing lights to attract them 10,000 times more likely to be attacked.

2. Other vessles WONT see you with or without lights but even if they do, they wont be able to work out what you are or who has right of way. If the wind drops or you crash & you end up you in the water, lights on your arms will not be seen, so at least put the lights on your helmet (oh, I forgot, kooks dont wear helmets) - on your baseball cap then. Use a big stick (thru your ears) to mount the red and green lights, and replace the propeller on your cap with a white light. (Alternatively use one of those mock "arrow through the head" things instead of a stick. Yeah, that'd suit ya.)

3. Also if you crash, how will a vessel discern that your kite and you are connected (assuming both are seen) ? They'll plough right thru you, tangle in your lines and... I just hope you realise you wont be able to pull safety while you're being tragged underwater at even a few knots. Think I'm kidding? You've never been water skiing then.

4. oh stuff it... go ahead an kill yerself. The world could do with a few less kooks.[}:)]






1. f**k sharks.

2. Boats don't travel through the section north of the jetty because of the sandbar.

3. See 2.

4. I will, thank you for your concern. I resent being called a kook though. So far I haven't put my kite into a tree except for once when my harness broke through while I was well out in the water.

To summarise, I reckon Safety Bay is the best bet because of lack of boat traffic in that spot north of the jetty, flat water and good buffer zone. I have confidence that my three years kiting experience in several different countries and multitudes of different conditions should see me through if I take it easy.

Also, just in case you didn't read what you quoted in your second post, airhead said he might join in if he wasn't drunk, not if he was.

Not to say I'm not a dangerous fool though. But I will be going, unless some social obligation pops up.
robbo
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1 Mar 2007 3:11pm
like sandgroper said (amongst his rantings...) a helmet with a super strong waterproof light facing forward, and a red blinker light at the back would be good if there are a couple of you guys out there, otherwise it would be quite difficult to see which way you are all looking / concentrating on.

kooky looking for sure
GreenPat
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1 Mar 2007 4:44pm
The whole point of going with the full moon and clear sky was for lighting purposes, for feck's sake. Sheesh.
user
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1 Mar 2007 3:57pm
Ignore the over cautious wimps and do it!

Like you said,you will be in full moonlight,once your eyes adjust,there will be plenty of light.
chronic
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1 Mar 2007 6:52pm
maybe those two ****ty old boats {the ones covered in **** that is-have they ever moved in recent years? who the frig owns them anyway} can someone help these disappear into the night as well.
get a headlamp for each rider,could help to know which way the lines have twisted. good luck you mad basturds
chronic
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1 Mar 2007 6:55pm
hey how seabreeze puts in the **** when i'm writing crap anyway
Poida
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1 Mar 2007 7:18pm
City Beach groyne has a light. this is where you go for night surfing.
you maybe able to get a few waves if it hasnt got any surfers out.
I'd suggest stay away if there are surfers there. The waves are close to the groyne on the northern side. (apologies to any local surfers for making this known)

Otherwise I would suggest tie some glow sticks onto your kite to help you see if it goes down. will look good too!

Cheers
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timetohang
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1 Mar 2007 9:04pm
4. I will, thank you for your concern. I resent being called a kook though. So far I haven't put my kite into a tree except for once when my harness broke through while I was well out in the water.

Hey Geenpat.
Is this statement an exception to the rule of what you said, or a contradiction of what you said?

Only Curious!!
inout-inout
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2 Mar 2007 12:18am
me and my freands night kite as much as we can.
we use glow stics so we can see each other and our bar, board.
every one is looking out a bit more for each other a little more
then usual.
and some of the best wind blows at night.
we do all the same tricks as we do in day light so much fun gl hf
insomniac_alcoholic
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1 Mar 2007 11:22pm
I kite with a couple of guys who head out at Gero's back beach near one of the restaurants thats got a half decent floodlight.

I haven't been talked into getting out there yet but they just have glow-sticks on the bar, the back of their harnesses and one on the board and they keep coming back alive.

There's no real boat traffic like you'd get in metro areas but there's as many sharks here as there are anywhere.

So, my only suggestion is avoid anything thats got lights on assuming they won't give right of way and don't stack it!

Give it a crack, it's 12 more hours of a day where you can kite and judging by the feedback you've got so far you'll have the prime spots all to yourself!
Blaster
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2 Mar 2007 12:17am
I'm cuming down to watch ya. If the wind is right like today, you will have about 150m runs south of the sandbar to have "safe" fun. On the high tide the whole area is probably waist deep and dead flat. There won't be any boats passing through as they have to go out through the channel markers, Or risk hitting the bottom. Just need to be aware of the 2 small yatchs to the south.

I think the worst that will happen is you may hurt yourselves or each other. Obviously your aware of that and will endeavour to make yourself as visible as possible. As far as the public goes, well there might be a couple of guys fishing from the sandbar catching blowies whilist drinking a few beers. Who cares

Oh and what is it with sharks, most on this forum seem **** scared of em. I can assure you that you will be safe from sharks. After all it is SAFETY BAY...Do watch out for stingrays and cobblers I would suggest.

Don't even think about questioning me, I've been on these waters for 25 years LOL.

I do have some stories of close calls but that is for another thread.

GL have fun guy's
GreenPat
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2 Mar 2007 11:03am
quote:
Originally posted by timetohang

4. I will, thank you for your concern. I resent being called a kook though. So far I haven't put my kite into a tree except for once when my harness broke through while I was well out in the water.

Hey Geenpat.
Is this statement an exception to the rule of what you said, or a contradiction of what you said?

Only Curious!!



Ok, badly worded, but the point was that sandgroper decorated a tree with his kite the other day as a result of inexperience. I was having a bit of a dig at him. I figure mine didn't count the same way because it was because of gear failure. I had been kiting with an ample downwind buffer and solid wind, staying upwind.

Blaster why just watch? Don't you want to join in?
Blaster
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2 Mar 2007 11:04am
I'd love too. But I'm only learning, besides looking after the kids, wife going on a damn hens nights. Where's that creche.
NorthSide
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2 Mar 2007 12:45pm
Sounds like fun to me. I'll try and get there.
GreenPat
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2 Mar 2007 3:56pm
Kitecrazzzy, I can give you a lift. I'll go down mid afternoon or so, get some day kiting in then keep going after sunset. Maybe you can show me these kiteloops that are so dangerous.
Juddy
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6 Mar 2007 2:14pm
So, last saturday night @ Safety Bay...what happened? did anyone end up with kites in trees or colliding with the ferry? Did anyone bother with green & red glow sticks on their lines? Did anyone actually go out on the night?

Please explain...
sandgroper
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6 Mar 2007 3:52pm
quote:
Originally posted by kite boy

hey i live near safety bay im 15 and fearless ha ha so ill kite if u need sumone to kite wid


See this is what happens when kooks are left unchallenged - the kids think they're cool and try to imitate them.

Details and links of Australias 1st kitesurfing death at (ironically) Safety Bay are here:
http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2297446

I've posted a map of the area here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=3673

Kiting is an extreme sport - this means you ignore safety at your peril. ALWAYS put safety first - NO EXCEPTIONS.

Over to you kooks. I've got better things to do.

(A repost from the other thread follows below...)

quote:
Originally posted by GreenPat

Sandgroper, you're an idiot... you toss... stupid... You muppet...
Well I'll just take all that verbal abuse for what it is. I'm not taking offence (yet) because safety needs to be discussed openly.

But, and FWIW, no I'm not an idiot (etc), you are.

Here's a post following up on the death in Palm Beach, Safety Bay - evidently the same patch you kooks have in mind (correct me if I am wrong).

quote:
Know your limits - the dangers of extreme sports

AUTHOR: Kate Schultz, Journalism Major, University of the Sunshine Coast, Australia

The deaths of two kitesurfers on opposite sides of Australia on the same day, has prompted a plea for thrill seekers to get proper training.

The first incident, which was Australia's first kiteboarding fatality, happened last year when father-of-two Mick Eastland, 47, died after a wind gust blew him into parked cars and then into power lines off Palm Beach, Rockingham, Western Australia (WA).

Senior Constable Jamie Langley of Rockingham Police said the man had not been electrocuted by the power lines but had died as a result of other injuries.

WA Kitesurfing Association committee member Ian Grose said the association constantly pushed safety in the sport. There are good safety systems available but kite surfers rely on the weather.

Mr Grose told the West Australian newspaper that the most dangerous time for a kiter is when you are on the land because the equipment is designed for the water.

In a similar accident in northern Queensland, Peter Hansen, 24, died when he fell to the ground while flying his kite at the Airlie Beach Sports Park.

In a written statement the Australian Kitesurfing Association (AKSA) sent its warmest support to the family, loved ones and friends of the two men who died, but were also quick to defend any negative or cynical judgements made on the overall safety of the sport.

The AKSA statement said:
"In relation to the incident...when a man purchased a power kite and went flying on a field, attaching himself to the ground by a long rope...this fatality was not a result of kiteboarding. This individual was practicing unsafe use of a power traction kite on land, regardless of knowledge in control or safety. AKSA strongly preaches do not fly power kites on land in this manner or any like it."

The AKSA believes the two incidents should be a wake up call for all kiteboarders. Beginners are encouraged to join a course to learn safety procedures, while a statement in the West Australian newspaper, explains Mr Grose's request for competitors to become more safety conscious.

Safety first:
Never kiteboard with on-shore wind.
Kiteboarders must never launch at less than 60 metres from any obstacles.
Check weather forecast before every session.
Before rigging and launching, kiteboarders must evaluate the force of the wind and use an appropriate kite size.
Use functional safety systems.
Execute a preflight check before each session.
Never over estimate your skill level.
Always wear a helmet, life jacket, harness and a wet suit.
source: International Kiteboarding Organisation

"Safety and common sense is vitally important," he said. "Please, always fly with a working (safety catch) leash system. And above all, know your limits. Do not attempt to ride in conditions that are dangerous or above your skill level. This is for everyone, no exceptions. Follow the safe kiting guidelines."

GreenPat
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7 Mar 2007 2:17am
quote:
Originally posted by Juddy

So, last saturday night @ Safety Bay...what happened? did anyone end up with kites in trees or colliding with the ferry? Did anyone bother with green & red glow sticks on their lines? Did anyone actually go out on the night?

Please explain...



After a very leisurely downwinder from Floreat to Brighton during the day I went home, picked up the glow sticks I'd purchased in the morning, another board and kite and headed down to Rockingham as the sun set. I got to the Cafe carpark at about 8pm as the last colours were fading from the sky and carted all my gear down to the beach (except the beer in the cooler bag).

You know what would seem obvious in retrospect would be a torch, but perhaps I'm as stupid as Sandgroper makes me out to be. Anyway, thankfully the moon was full and the sky was clear (funny that, who would have thought), and I was able to tie a green glow stick to my starboard wingtip, a red one to my port, an orange one to my board and a blue one (to emulate white) to the back of my harness. Not quite boating regulations, my bad, but close. Thankfully there was no boat traffic in that spot (imagine that, who would have thought).

By about 8.30-9.00 it was properly dark and I performed a self launch, there being no-one nearby to assist. This I did at about the mid-point between the two walkways to the carpark, just downwind of the Penguin Island ferry, with my safety leash connected to the appropriate attachment point on one back line.

Nicely powered, I went out and kited back and forth for a while with the last song I'd listened to in the car on the way down still running through my head. Funky Planet, off the Ministry of Sound 2004 Annual. 'On my planet....'.

The wind was a steady 18-20 knots, nothing special, but I had enough power with the 13 on the flat water. Now kooks and noobs beware, since it seems I am not allowed to promote anything that might be remotely dangerous, do not think that a 13m is necessarily the right kite for 18-20 knots. For me it is, weighing in at 112kg and riding a 130cm board, but for the 80kg punter it might be a bit much.

Ergh, that bit of pandering left a bitter taste. Anyway, I was cruising nicely for a bit and headed upwind to the jetty to use it as a benchmark and at the same time see if any more kiters were on their way to the beach. This put me upwind of the ferry at it's mooring point. I even crossed within three line lengths at one point (but never within two). Scary stuff. Good thing I could see it clearly in the full moon.

I tacked back and forth for a while, it was quite pleasant really, and considered the meaning of life and the nature of the universe. The kite looked the picture of serenity framed by the background of stars, and the two glow sticks like some crazy big fireflies performing some weird mating dance. The orange glow stick between my feet was also kinda neat, though distracting. The bluey white light of the one on my back was pretty cool though, reflected off the water below when I turned to watch it, and not as in my face as the orange. I imagined it attracting fish like the denizens of the deep which use the same technique. I also imagined it attracting sharks, but I was having too much fun to let that bother me.

After about 45 minutes on the water Gav and his mrs. showed up so I went and said g'day. The wind was starting to drop off then and another half a dozen tacks saw me losing ground, so I gave up by about 2200hrs. Gav helped me land it (though a self landing is also within my abilities) and we had a cold beer and a bit of a yarn. I then wandered up and said g'day to the fishos to see if I hadn't been riding too close to where they'd been fishing, but they said they hadn't seen me, a couple of older guys had been there before while I was out and they'd gotten a good dozen. Reckoned there was one massive seagull out earlier...

Sandgroper does have a point, similar to those who have freely admitted they are not yet ready to try it. If you don't think it's within your abilities, it probably isn't. Kite within your abilities, and put saftey first. I am not fearless, but I do know what I can do and what I can't, and this is something I can. What I didn't do is push my boundaries (apart from the whole low light thing), I didn't try any new tricks or difficult old ones. I didn't go out as far as I would have during the day and I paid a lot of attention to what I was doing (as well as the crazy multicoloured firefly dance).

So that's what happened, in a nutshell. Kids, don't try this at home, whatever whatever. That's the first beer finished now, I think I should get another.
GreenPat
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7 Mar 2007 2:33am
Careful mate, if the fun police hear about that they'll ban remote control airplanes.
gruezi
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7 Mar 2007 1:47am
Well done GreenPat!

Surely you have started a new craze.

Long live night kiting.

99.999% of people think kiting is crazy, let alone at night...you must be out of your mind...hahaha.
Dragon22
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7 Mar 2007 10:28pm
On ya Greenpat.
When the others said you'd be crazy, ya did it anyway. Thats freakin awesome. Stick it to the man.
I live in Townsville so you'd never see me do it. I'd be eaten for sure by something bigger than me.
But i've been living through your exciting adventure. Maybe one day i'll get back over there and it'll be all the rage.
Planning another one soon?
J
GreenPat
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7 Mar 2007 11:16pm
C'mon Gruezi, for sure I didn't start it, the others were just smart enough to keep their mouths shut...

Hey Dragon22, I learnt to kite in Townsville, don't tell me you've never thought about it on those nights out drinking on the strand with the palm trees blowing around like no-one's business...
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8 Mar 2007 12:06am
Oh yeah. Thought about it. And then the image of a me sized lure crosses my mind and i promise myself i'll go out tomorrow morning. Though i wouldnt mind nite kiting at Maggie Is for the full moon party. Showing off on the main beach.That'd be sure to rock some girls panties. Actually now that i think about it.....
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