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cat

48 posts

cat

WA, 48 posts

4 Mar 2007 2:47pm

Quick question regarding my 11m Best Yarga. It enjoys turning from a c into a u ie it likes curling up until the wing tips are almost touching. It does this largely when turning. Am I being dumb, can't work out why this happening - leading edge too soft? Have pumped it up pretty hard. Any help much appreciated

Spacemonkey!

2288 posts

Spacemonkey!

SA, 2288 posts

4 Mar 2007 4:23pm

pump it up harder

dustin

QLD

448 posts

dustin

QLD, 448 posts

4 Mar 2007 3:58pm

get a slingshot

kitecrazzzy

2184 posts

kitecrazzzy

WA, 2184 posts

4 Mar 2007 3:49pm

too much tension on the back lines, set the kite up with the front lines connected closest the kite and the steering lines furthest away.
pull in the depower as well, if you have to pull on lots of depower find a way of lengthening the steering lines.

a slingshot does this just as much as any badly tuned kite

Kitepower Australia

NSW

4382 posts

Kitepower Australia

NSW, 4382 posts

4 Mar 2007 6:22pm

First get someone experienced to check your line lengths, maybe Kitehard can help you out there?
Second if they are OK, then I think you may have one of a small bunch of incorrectly sewn kites. We had an 11M Yarga that would touch its tips together and flybackwards into the water if you loaded it up, Best replaced it to the original owner, and I made a poncho out of the dud kite!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

quote:
Originally posted by cat

Quick question regarding my 11m Best Yarga. It enjoys turning from a c into a u ie it likes curling up until the wing tips are almost touching. It does this largely when turning. Am I being dumb, can't work out why this happening - leading edge too soft? Have pumped it up pretty hard. Any help much appreciated

mikeb

QLD

126 posts

mikeb

QLD, 126 posts

4 Mar 2007 5:22pm

hi cat,
this can happen with most c kites if the y of the center lines is too high up, usually it occurs with 5 line kites that are being flown without the 5th line but using the same bar setup. if thats the case put the 5th line back on, dont know if your kite is a 5 line or not or used to be so hope that helps

cat

48 posts

cat

WA, 48 posts

4 Mar 2007 4:55pm

many thanks for the replies. It never goes as far as touching tips or flying backwards so hopefully it's not badly sewn. Lines appear to be spot on, use the same set up on my 2 other kites and no problems once of which is a yarga 9m. Using a four line set up as opposed to five line which should be fine for an 05 yarga I'm presuming. Will pump up rock like, tweak back lines as suggested and if all else fails call the guys at Adreanlin Rush from whence it came.

cat

48 posts

cat

WA, 48 posts

4 Mar 2007 4:59pm

forgot to mention the problem only really occurs when turning the kite or during a gust, appears to be normal shape at other times.

Spacemonkey!

2288 posts

Spacemonkey!

SA, 2288 posts

4 Mar 2007 6:32pm

quote:
Originally posted by cat

forgot to mention the problem only really occurs when turning the kite or during a gust, appears to be normal shape at other times.

does it fold together going forwards or fold together and starts going backwards

cat

48 posts

cat

WA, 48 posts

4 Mar 2007 5:18pm

going forwards mainly when turning

Kitepower Australia

NSW

4382 posts

Kitepower Australia

NSW, 4382 posts

5 Mar 2007 10:59am

Contact Joe at ARSA, it sounds like there is something wrong with the kite. If your 9M flies fine on those lines then you 11M should too.
The yarga does not need to be pumped rosk hard, just firm.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

quote:
Originally posted by cat

many thanks for the replies. It never goes as far as touching tips or flying backwards so hopefully it's not badly sewn. Lines appear to be spot on, use the same set up on my 2 other kites and no problems once of which is a yarga 9m. Using a four line set up as opposed to five line which should be fine for an 05 yarga I'm presuming. Will pump up rock like, tweak back lines as suggested and if all else fails call the guys at Adreanlin Rush from whence it came.

Bo

192 posts

WA, 192 posts

5 Mar 2007 10:23am

quote:
Originally posted by cat

Am I being dumb, can't work out why this happening - leading edge too soft? Have pumped it up pretty hard.

I have one of these 05s, your info is not correct cat, the 05 Yarga was designed by Peter Stiewe to be flown with a 5th line.

Also make sure you're using a Best bar! Many other bar designs would pinch the leading edge of a Yarga into a slight U shape due to the higher V that's formed with the front lines, which would cause the LE to fold in the turns. The previously-mentioned point about the kite being a back line flyer is is also very true: front pig tails shortest, back pigtails longest on perfectly equal lines.

Set up as per spec, it's a super stable, fun kite.

Enjoy,
Bo

browndog

VIC

27 posts

browndog

VIC, 27 posts

5 Mar 2007 5:06pm

I also have the 05 11m Yarga and have had problems with it doing strange things. It has a bad habit of falling backward out of the sky. I've checked line lengths and tried a few different things but still not 100%.
I was also told they were designed to be flown with a 5th line, which I do. My other kite is a 05 15m Yarga and it flies like a dream.

Bo, you mentioned something about long and short pigtails? I'm not sure what you mean.

YoMoFo

NSW

240 posts

YoMoFo

NSW, 240 posts

5 Mar 2007 5:16pm

i'll tell ya whats wrong, its got BEST written on it! hehehehe i agree with dustin

cat

48 posts

cat

WA, 48 posts

5 Mar 2007 3:51pm

Many thanks for all the replies. In repsonse to Bo I use a Gaastra bar and lines, 4 line, V in the front lines very near the bar so there should be no issue there. Front lines near the kite back lines away as suggested, firmly pumped up, not rock hard. So from all info it appears either the kite is shafted or I need a 5 line set up. Will call Joe at ARSA as suggested. Many thanks again.

Bo

192 posts

WA, 192 posts

5 Mar 2007 11:31pm

quote:
Originally posted by cat

... or I need a 5 line set up. Will call Joe at ARSA as suggested.

Yup, definitely the 5th line then. It was clearly stated back in 05 that the kite was 'designed for a 5th line using the new 05 Kick Bar'.

Do yourself a favour Cat and persevere, by rigging a 5th onto your Gastra bar (the kite will have a 5th line attachment on the LE) Flew a 13 and 11 for a full season with that set up, perfect, stable, safe, problem free while heavily used. Loved them madly, until they were replaced this year with Waroos.

Browndog, all I meant was: attach the front lines to the knots closest to the kite and the backlines on the knot furthest away form the kite. This ensures that the kite is flying mainly on the front lines. Angles the kite as intended, fast turning, little bar pressure and ensures the tips don't flare...

Bo

cat

48 posts

cat

WA, 48 posts

5 Mar 2007 11:38pm

cheers Bo much appreciated. I've kited for years but have no idea how to convert standard 4 line bar to 5 line. Any tips?

Bo

192 posts

WA, 192 posts

5 Mar 2007 11:56pm

quote:
Originally posted by cat

Any tips?

Uhm, not sure how the Gastra bar looks. A simple setup would be to add a metal ring somewhere on the bar's front line depower webbing. Pull the 5th line through and tie on another ring. Clip your safety leash on that ring when you ride, so that when you release the kite's chicken loop in an emergency the kite flags to the 5th line. Add a stopper ball if you don't want the bar riding up all the way to the kite...you should be able to get the hardware from Choice Kiteboarding in Hamilton Hill.

For more details of a 5th setup, check this out: ~~http://media.bestkiteboarding.com/manuals/5thLine_manual.pdf~~

PS Your kite should have come with a bridle line with multiple attachment knots to allow you to adjust the 5th's length. If not, just make one by knotting an old line, attaching it to the kite. It should be slightly longer than the 'depth of the C' of the kite.

cat

48 posts

cat

WA, 48 posts

6 Mar 2007 12:06am

much appreciated

browndog

VIC

27 posts

browndog

VIC, 27 posts

6 Mar 2007 4:53pm

Now it makes sense. Cheers Bo

colinwill78

VIC

1395 posts

colinwill78

VIC, 1395 posts

6 Mar 2007 5:05pm

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