Total Ban on Kiting/windsurfing at Mullaloo?

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Kitehard
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22 Nov 2008 2:43pm
Have we got your attention?

The issue which made so much concern from last year about kiting at Mullaloo and the Surf Club has not gone away and in fact whist everyone has become totally complacent over winter, the issue has been escalating behind closed doors.

I have it on good authority that the Mullaloo Surf Life Saving Club has been putting together a petition to take to Joondalup City Council to have ALL windsurfing and kitesurfing totally banned at Mullalo beach.

This issue has come to a head due to the care less attitude of some kiters doing downwinders from Pinnaroo Point to Mullaloo beach. No one has an issue with you doing downwinders. Hey, they are great fun, but to complete this downwinder you have to pass the Surf Club. YOU ARE NOT TO GO THROUGH THE FLAGS!

YOU MUST STAY OUTSIDE 400M FROM THE SHORELINE! WAKSA's new guidelines of 250m upwind and 50m downwind of the surf club when you see the flags should be enough, however, The clubbies train often even when the flags aren't out and reports of kiters riding through the clubbies training sessions are just adding fuel to the fire.

If you don't think this ban can happen, get your head out of the sand! There is a very real threat of this happening. Councils attitude towards the threat of the new fence being removed just shows they are happy to take the path of least resistance.

If the clubbies make enough noise and are persistent enough, a ban will be on the agenda.

PLEASE DO NOT RIDE ANY WHERE NEAR THE SLSC AT MULLALOO. Ride way out to sea well before the club and return to the beach well downwind of the club if you absolutely have to. If you see kiters riding anywhere near the club, do your part and inform them of the situation.

EVERY time a kiter rides too close to the club, it gets noted and becomes part of the ever increasing ammunition in the war against wind sport riders at Mullaloo.

I will get a sign made up to inform riders leaving from Pinnaroo and will position it near our trailer, but signs can only do so much. It is you that has to make a difference. Don't add any more fuel to the fire. The clubbies have an axe to grind but they also have legitimacy to their argument with reckless persons doing the wrong thing repeatedly.

There is only so much Rob, myself and the Mullaloo users group can do, the rest is up to you! Don't gripe about the clubbies, just do your part and help us out by not making it any worse than it already is. If you stick your head in the sand the problem really will go away. You see battling to save access will be gone when there is no access to save.

Good winds,



spot1
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22 Nov 2008 3:10pm
the Mullaloo Surf Life Saving Club is the bigest slsc in oz
and i think it would have a loud voice
the walks
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22 Nov 2008 3:36pm
The size is not the issue, most are trying to do the right thing, we will get "no" help from the surf club who seem to have only one goal. Please , a note to all, DON'T feed the fire.
Flux
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22 Nov 2008 3:38pm
Man not again, I was afraid of this!!!!!
Mullaloo being my local spot I for one don't want to see this,Rob made up laminated flyers last season to try and educate everyone and it worked with locals but what about the newbies and travelers that don't know, is it gonna take a kitesurfer silhouette with a big red circle and line through it to educate people???,Thats too late we need some structure and signage NOW!!!

Some days I look down there to the surf club and see the odd lone kiter in close and on the beach near swimmers and think F......!
The local crew that are all on Seabreeze will no doubt read this thread so what I propose is that we try and sort out some regulated signage at our spot(1 km away from the club), and near the access area at the surf beach.
I dunno what approach to take or how to implement this, I think we need WAKSA involved in this subject from the get go, like yesterday.

We meet last year with the surf club and they were ok with us but it seems as summer rapidly approaches and so many new faces sailing now we are gonna get busted so what do we do!!!!!!!!

I'm going to email WAKSA now stuff this.
Lets see what they say.
waveslave
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22 Nov 2008 6:05pm
spot1 said...

the Mullaloo Surf Life Saving Club is the bigest slsc in oz
and i think it would have a loud voice


Biggest in Oz ????
lol.
I find that hard to believe. ^^^
Mullaloo doesn't even have a wave.
kk
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22 Nov 2008 6:10pm
Sounds to me like the general consences is to ban Kiting in front of the surfclub anyways? If that is the case why not get WAKSA or even just the local crew to approach council, to put the ban in place on your terms, rather than wait for the ban to get put in place on someone elses terms.. That way when some random, couldn't care less, kiter/poley comes along and breaks the rules they get in trouble rather than the entire kiting community
sofled
sofled
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22 Nov 2008 7:07pm
If the kiters and poleys, kiting at the surf club are accesing the beach at the surf club, signs there could stop alot of these guys walking down the beach, we dont need something like a 4cmx4cm plark on the same piece of wood that has the beach name but a good road sign sized red circuled kiter and poley with no kitesurfing in this area for ....north and .... south, kiting access is available ...(mulluloo,or pinaroo...)
As for people doing down winders well kitehard got the right idea, even a large banner put up everyday as the kiters walk down the beach UNMISABLE.

my two cents

tightlines
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22 Nov 2008 8:18pm
As a Mullaloo resident and kiter, can I please urge everyone to do as Kitehard has pointed out

Kitehard said...

............... YOU ARE NOT TO GO THROUGH THE FLAGS!

YOU MUST STAY OUTSIDE 400M FROM THE SHORELINE! WAKSA's new guidelines of 250m upwind and 50m downwind of the surf club...................




If doing a downwinder to Mullaloo, just head out deep well before you get to the tower, (there is often a bit of a wind shadow in close anyway) then come in to the North where there are fewer regular beachgoers and more kiters.

Both ends of Mullaloo Beach are usually quite crowded, ...near the club at the South end, and at the point, to the North where the surfers are (especially when the wind is marginal).
In between there is normally more room and if the wind is up there are usually some kiters, this is the spot to land.

I quite like the idea of a no kitesurfing sign near the surfclub, it might educate the odd blowin, but I am worried that if we start with a sign by the surf club it might be the trigger to signs then appearing right down the beach.
Thoughts
sofled
sofled
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22 Nov 2008 9:01pm
fair comment about the sign at the surf club, im guess im just worried that if it gets banned on that part fo the coast it will be banned all over the coast, but we dont want the sign proposed for the surf club to be just put at any beach access, and yeh it was thought of for the odd blow in and loner who doesn't look at the seabreeze forums.

Any one who is reading this forum is obviously going to try and make an effort but its the pople not reading this forum that you should target

bellz
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22 Nov 2008 9:24pm
kk said...

Sounds to me like the general consences is to ban Kiting in front of the surfclub anyways? If that is the case why not get WAKSA or even just the local crew to approach council, to put the ban in place on your terms, rather than wait for the ban to get put in place on someone elses terms.. That way when some random, couldn't care less, kiter/poley comes along and breaks the rules they get in trouble rather than the entire kiting community


I agree with what kk has said if we place a ban infront of the surfclub and a few 100 metres each way they would be happy and we would be happy
General
General
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22 Nov 2008 11:09pm
isn't it basically is already banned, what do u mean by ban? A fine?

also whats with the sudden increase to mullaloo? is every one coming up from pinaroo?

Kitehard
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22 Nov 2008 11:30pm
There are some good ideas getting thrown around, but ideas are only part of the answer. Action must follow the ideas. It's all very nice having big discussions about problems, but if no action is put into gear, then it is a bunch of wasted hot air and emotions that get riled and then dissipates. Why not contact WAKSA or the Mullaloo users group and offer to help those concerned by spreading the word to all kiters in the Pinnaroo/Mullaloo area.

Personally I have seen how effective the signs are at Cottesloe at the foot of the stairs of the banned beach. Many kiters completely ignore the sign which describes the ban and suggests to rig up 100m further South. Signs alone although sounding like a fix all, don't work unless they are enforced.

The only way to reach the people, is for each kiter to take personal responsibility for making things better. Do this by making sure all kiters know of the exclusion zones. Go up and tell offending riders the rules rather than shaking your head and hoping someone else does it.

If they tell you to naff off, get some back up and be a little more insistent. We (AKS) approach people doing the wrong thing at Pinnaroo all the time and sometimes you come to heated words, but usually the offenders don't come back.

Do your part, inform others and lead by example.

Good winds,

Kitehard
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22 Nov 2008 11:53pm
General said...

it basically is already banned, what do u mean by ban? A fine?

also whats with the sudden increase to mullaloo? is every one coming up from pinaroo?


Lets just all go to pinnaroo that will solve it


Hey General,

It isn't already banned, as Rob says, it is part of self regulation that will keep our access to all beaches. Do nothing and we get what we deserve. The sudden increase at Mullas? Have you been to any other beach lately? Melville, Brighton, Woodies, Pinnas, Cott, Leighton, Mullas even City Beach. All the beaches are getting really busy.

I was speaking to a French guy who rocked up at Pinnas a week or two ago on a pretty busy day, he couldn't believe how quiet it was. I asked him what he meant, he said in France where he kites at a beach no bigger than Pinnaroo, they get 200+ kiters on a good day.

The issue is not the numbers, it's us taking responsibility for our impact on the rest of the community as we grow. We share the waters with other beach and water users, we need to learn to play fair in the sand pit and share responsibly.

Rob Gannon and the Mullas user group have been doing a great job working hard for years to keep both sides happy, but they are slowly fighting a losing battle, we all need to pitch in and do our bit.

It's up to us all. Just be aware of the zones, and keep others informed. That will go a long way to helping out. Rob has plans of action involving WAKSA so is doing stuff to help already. PLease be diligent.

Good winds,

cwamit
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23 Nov 2008 9:04am
shame the surf club don't have the legal authority to take the gear off the offenders, no questions asked, no excuses, word would get around fast that way even to none locals/touros (imagine going back home and saying to mates how the kit was confiscated) not to kite through protection/flag zones.

sometimes ya just need a bigger stick
waveslave
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23 Nov 2008 10:13am
Sometimes it's the circumstance, rather than intent....
that makes a kiter look bad.
For instance, if a kiter drags thru a flagged zone with a downed kite,
because he wasn't capable of relaunching after a crash....
Is that a crime ?
Maybe the wind unexpectingly drops off.....
and a kiter floats thru a flagged zone with swimmers getting all tangled-up in the strings, lol.
Is that a crime ?
Sometimes inexperience and bad luck is really the cause of the problem.
Bad manners or poor attitude is not always the issue.
You see,
Kitesurfing is just so problematic to be sustainable on public beaches.
It will eventually end up where it belongs...
In it's own patch.
the walks
the walks
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23 Nov 2008 11:47pm
sorry guys & gals, i can't hold back anymore, i am part of the mulla's pro-active group, some great idea's flying around, thanks, most of these have already been tried but all are listened to. As a group, waksa, joundalup council and the surf club have all been approached with our kiteboarding concerns on mullaloo beach, two of these have been a help, the third has done nothing at all apart from back-stabbing. On numerous occassions meetings have been asked for, help has been offered,(kite rescue) etc. but as yet no attempt to try sort the problems has come from this party, infact, quite the opposite, members have been told to keep an eye on "that bloke"(rob gannon) for reasons to get him off the beach, now i'm sorry but if they think he's the pied piper they are very wrong.
On the up side, we are open to all help and will continue to try and keep our beaches safe for all who enjoy the outdoor lifestyle that oz beaches are famous for, even if the flags are not out.........
hirschausen
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24 Nov 2008 6:05pm
Hey local kiters at Mully, why don't you just join the surf life saving club?. Do one day a weekend on patrol, learn how to save someone's life, improve your swimming ability and in the process educate?.

Is that a possible longer term solution?.
shmoo
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24 Nov 2008 6:25pm
That's not a bad idea...

I think some crew from City Beach Boardriders did something similar to resolve related issues over surfing at the Flozza groin in summer.

tightlines
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24 Nov 2008 6:31pm
hirschausen said...

Hey local kiters at Mully, why don't you just join the surf life saving club?. Do one day a weekend on patrol, learn how to save someone's life, improve your swimming ability and in the process educate?.

Is that a possible longer term solution?.


That sounds like a good idea Gav, however I believe the surf club is full and are not taking any more memberships ATM (I could be wrong and stand to be corrected).

Do you know if that is the case Spot1?
spot1
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24 Nov 2008 9:03pm
its full
im a member dont know if that will help
waveslave
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24 Nov 2008 9:33pm
hirschausen said...

Hey local kiters at Mully, why don't you just join the surf life saving club?.


Don't sell yourselves short. ^^^
Clubbies are ok I guess.....except they think they own the fken beach.
I'm so stoked to have no clubbies at all my spots.
hehe

tightlines
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24 Nov 2008 11:57pm
I think we are all just going to have to move down the slaves way.
spot1
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25 Nov 2008 6:04am
tightlines said...

I think we are all just going to have to move down the slaves way.


no it took 20years to get him out of scarbs
spot1
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25 Nov 2008 6:25am
why is it just mullaloo slsc
iam sure that kites go down the line at trigg,scab,
most times i go past the club house the flags arnt up and there is no one on the beach to windy ha
sure if they are training give them there 250 meters but the rest of the water should be used,its a playground
NR
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25 Nov 2008 10:48am
I think some of the problems occur tuesday and thursday nights (maybe other ?). At these times the clubs are training and have all the kids on the beach, running, swimming, and paddeling. Its not always just the flagged 100 meters or so area. At these times, we should be a few hundred meters at least from the people training, not just the flags. Fairly often I see kites going straight through the area they have either marked out for training, or drop a kite just up wind of where they are paddeling. I know they don't own the beach, and technically, you have as much right to the water sapce as they do, but, .... but how I see it, they are training to do something good for society. They are volunteering their time to provide a needed service. How would you feel if you had your kids that have decided to get of their bums after school go to the surf club to try to help people out and get fit, to then have this kite whizzing past them which to someone unfamiliar with them, looking totally out of control ? You may well complain. So if they want to paddle without fear of getting a kite dropped on them or worse, let them. Its far easier for us to sail or kite further up the beach or out to sea. Let the clubbies have fun and train in their own comfort, and hopefully they will continue to provide a good service.
INfiniDIE
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25 Nov 2008 11:12am
Im sure its the same, but most of the time the guys down at mullas are the oldies and oldies complain a lot...its what they do. most of the youngins are up around Triggs and Scabbs cause thats where you need strength rather than reliability I guess. Ive had douchebags, im sorry I mean Surf lifesavers tell me off for skimboarding at Triggers...Power-hungry egomaniacs the lot of them IMO...but then again im one myself.
pezza
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25 Nov 2008 11:36am
how is this idea then why not have a come and try day and invite just the slsclubs from leighton thru to mullas at least that way they will have some understanding of whats going on if there is a misshap. you never know they might actually get addicted to the the sport like the rest of us wouldnt that be great.
NR
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25 Nov 2008 12:30pm
Why should they try it and try to understand it ? You are not going to get every member on to a kite. They are trying to run kids clubs, organise sports for kids, help encourage safety on the beach and do all this for nothing.

I just say, reckon we should stay out the way, and give the clubs room.
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