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Rocket Ship
Rocket Ship
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10 Dec 2008 11:00am
There has been some discussion regarding the possibility of an epic Blokart Lake Eyre crossing in late 2009 (Nov).
This is a cut & paste form Blokart.com, con anyone help?

Thanks RS

Some initial investigation into the idea and have found that the lake is approximately 200km's North to South and given the right conditions it is quite feasible to attempt.
My mate in South Aussie reckons his aboriginal elder buddy says the pelicans are nesting high and there is a certain black grub that is out at the moment which tells him there is a big flood on the agenda and the lake will fill....don't know about all that but safe to say if there is no major flood event in FNQ over the wet season (that's the water that fills Lake Eyre) we could indeed have a flat, hard surface and the idea could have some merit.

Does anyone out there know much more about conditions etc? e.g prevailing winds in November, access to the area.

landyacht
landyacht
WA
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WA, 5921 posts
10 Dec 2008 10:36pm
I have no idea of the wind situation, but BIG lakes like this kill any prevailing conditions that are blowing. Access is 4WD , the salt crust is very poor and can vary very quickly .If I was going to go there I think a kite buggy would be a better proposition. They perform better on those mrginal and softer surfaces that our Australian lakes normally have.. remember there probably isnt many vehicles that can can go as back up. the lake wascrossed by 3wheeler(pre quadbikes) with difficulty. the lake is considered too soft for helicopters to land on.
When Bluebird set a speed record on the lake,they had to build a lengthy causaway out to a surfacethat could support the car . I have been told that his wheel ruts are still visible on the end of the run.
Good Luck you may need it
cisco
cisco
QLD
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10 Dec 2008 11:55pm
Can't say anything about conditions down there except that the Aboriginal wisdom is worth taking heed of. I am in Bundaberg (southern central Queensland) and recent scientifically derived predictions are that we may be in for the wettest summer on record.

Pelicans nesting on higher ground than usual and certain black grubs appearing sounds credible to me.

By the way, did the blokarts get across the Gobi Desert. Haven't seen any updates on that one yet.

I recently travelled 20 klms in 20 minutes (60 kmh) up the beach at Yeppoon, so theoretically a 200klm crossing of lake Eyre could be done in less than 4 hours.

Given the remoteness of the location and lack of common knowlege of the area, I suggest that such a spectacular achievement WILL need to be preceeded by a large amount of unspectacular preparation.

To gain a perspective on what I am talking about Google "Wrong Way Corrigan".
Cheers Cisco.
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
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11 Dec 2008 11:41am
Here is a link to pictures that have been taken on peoples trips to Lake Eyre.
flickr.com/search/?q=lake+eyre

I have always found that if you leave deep footprints in a surface its almost impossible to sail on.

Have a look at the National Parks and wildlife site for lots of info.
www.environment.sa.gov.au/parks/sanpr/lakeeyre/visit.html
It also mentions
Do not drive onto the lake's surface. This not only leaves scars that can last for years, but you can easily become bogged requiring an expensive recovery effort

Cisco i like the comment it might be able to be done in 4 hours but with a soft surface those hours may turn into days or even weeks.

But if you guys are going to do it talk to Foxtel or Australian Geographic they might help with funding a trip ( and it would be great to see the trip on the discovery channel )
Kody
Kody
QLD
190 posts
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11 Dec 2008 3:11pm
Wow! a run up and down Lake Eyre. That would be fantastic! Count me out though, there is no way I could aford to go over there.
However, a good mate of mine has the perfect vehicle to do the 200klm run up and back and complete the run in under 3 hours. I think he said he can do 80ph in his vehicle and do it very safely. He could do it without damaging the lake surface either. If you are interested in having him come as a backup vechile, I could have a yarn to him about it. I am fairly certain he would need some backing ($ and/or publicity in National Geographic) to get him to help you. The only thing I dont know, is how far he can go on a tank of fuel. He could also scout all over the lake surface and give you a report on the condition of the lake itself. And by the way, his fabulous little vechicle is a small hovercraft. He used to run up and down Mulambin Beach at Yeppoon until the council complained to him. If you are interested, let me know and I will ask him.

Kody
cisco
cisco
QLD
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12 Dec 2008 2:23am
Now that is thinking out of the box Joe.

No matter which way you look at it though an adventure like this needs some serious planning and serious logistical support which may prove to be very costly.

Visualising what it might be like does stir the imagination.
Cheers Cisco.
trumpy
trumpy
QLD
27 posts
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12 Dec 2008 11:35am
Cisco

Heres a short vid on the Gobi Desert blokart experdition, 9 blokarters from around the world completed it about 12 months ago, quite an amazing feat considering the terain and the conditions that they and their blokarts endured, there is a full lenght DVD available from blokart NZ.



Cheers
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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12 Dec 2008 7:06pm
Kody said...
surface and give you a report on the condition of the lake itself. And by the way, his fabulous little vechicle is a small hovercraft. He used to run up and down Mulambin Beach at Yeppoon until the council complained to him. If you are interested, let me know and I will ask him.

Kody

history has shown that EVERY hovercraft put to use on salty lake lefroy has been doomed because of the salt. the engines suck in the salt or water or mud and the you have to rascue them.. the last generation on lefroy were nly lifting platforms that were moved by wheels or towing .
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
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12 Dec 2008 9:44pm
I think the best way to cross any salt lake (like Lake Eyre or Torrens) is like i did earlier this year, sitting back with a glass of wine, headphones on, and a kangaroo on your tail looking down thinking " I wonder what that would be like to sail on?"

Mind you it gets you thinking of what if !!!!!
cisco
cisco
QLD
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13 Dec 2008 1:09am
trumpy said...

Cisco
Heres a short vid on the Gobi Desert blokart experdition, 9 blokarters from around the world completed it about 12 months ago, quite an amazing feat considering the terain and the conditions that they and their blokarts endured, there is a full lenght DVD available from blokart NZ.
Cheers


A great effort and achievement no doubt. For the next epic journey, if they are looking for someone to drive the air conditioned support vehicle, be sure to tell them not to give me a ring.
Cheers Cisco

P.S. Sorry, my sense of adventure needs more moisture than that place.
Thanks for the heads up, info and posting the vid anyway.

FAZE5
FAZE5
SA
55 posts
SA, 55 posts
13 Dec 2008 11:44am
Guys,
Did you know that there was an attempt by landyacht sometime I think back in the '40s (or even earlier, I can't remember). I think it was done by Harold Clisby & his 'yacht used to be at the Birdwood mill museum.

From what I have seen & heard, Lake Eyre is somewhat soft as described (although I haven't been there), you may do better at Lake Gairdner.

Be interested to see it myself though.

Cheers
splitpin
splitpin
104 posts
104 posts
13 Dec 2008 3:45pm
landyacht said...

Kody said...
surface and give you a report on the condition of the lake itself. And by the way, his fabulous little vechicle is a small hovercraft. He used to run up and down Mulambin Beach at Yeppoon until the council complained to him. If you are interested, let me know and I will ask him.

Kody

history has shown that EVERY hovercraft put to use on salty lake lefroy has been doomed because of the salt. the engines suck in the salt or water or mud and the you have to rascue them.. the last generation on lefroy were nly lifting platforms that were moved by wheels or towing .

must be something odd about lake lefroy i have been on both small and large hovercraft and did not have any of the problems you state there.
these were used on the ocean/lakes wet ground and dry dusty ground

Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
14 Dec 2008 9:36am
I know its not Lake Eyre but here is some stuff on Lake Gaidner which might be of some use.
( and something to watch if the wind is not up )
http://www.dlra.org.au/lgairdner.htm
port
port
VIC
446 posts
VIC, 446 posts
14 Dec 2008 9:33pm
South Australia
north of Roxby Downs

Lake Eyre is the lowest point in Australia, at approximately 15 m (49 ft) (AHD) below sea level, and, on the rare occasions that it fills, the largest lake in Australia. It is the focal point of the vast Lake Eyre Basin and is found some 700km north of Adelaide.

The lake was named after Edward Eyre who was the first European to sight it in 1840. The lake is located in the deserts of central Australia, in northern South Australia. The Eyre Basin is a large endorheic system surrounding the lakebed, the lowest part of which is filled with the characteristic playa salt pan caused by the seasonal expansion and subsequent evaporation of the trapped waters. Even in the dry season there is usually some water remaining in Lake Eyre, usually collecting in a number of smaller sub-lakes on the playa.

During the rainy season the rivers from the northeast (in outback Queensland) flow towards the lake through the Channel Country. The amount of water from the monsoon determines whether water will reach the lake and if it does, how deep the lake will get. In strong La Niña years the lake can fill. Since 1885 this has occurred in 1886/1887, 1889/1890, 1916/1917, 1950, 1955, 1974 - 1976 [1], with the highest flood of 6m in 1974. Local rain can also fill Lake Eyre to 3-4m as occurred in 1984 and 1989. Wave built shingle terraces on the shore suggest that during the Medieval Warm Period and centuries immediately prior Lake Eyre possibly held permanent water at levels above those of 1974. Torrential rain in January 2007 took about six weeks to reach the lake but put only a small amount of water into it.

Typically a 1.5 m (5 ft) flood occurs every three years, a 4 m (13 ft) flood every decade, and a fill or near fill four times a century. The water in the lake soon evaporates with a minor and medium flood drying by the end of the following summer.

The Lake Eyre Basin has a drainage basin that covers one-sixth of all Australia. It is one of the largest internal drainage systems in the world, and covers roughly 1.2 million square kilometres, including much of inland Queensland, large portions of South Australia and the Northern Territory, and a part of western New South Wales.

All the riverbeds in this vast, mostly flat, arid and semi-arid area lead inland (not towards the sea) and on those fairly rare occasions when there is sufficient rainfall to make the rivers flow at all, they flow towards Lake Eyre in central South Australia.

Lake Eyre itself lies 20 metres below sea level, and usually contains only salt. In flood years it fills and for a short time undergoes a period of rapid growth and fertility: long-dormant marine creatures multiply and large flocks of waterfowl arrive to feed and raise their young before the waters evaporate once more.

None of the creeks and rivers in the Lake Eyre Basin are permanent: they flow only after heavy rain–a rare to very rare event in the arid interior of Australia. Average annual rainfall in the area surrounding Lake Eyre is 125mm (5 inches), and the pan evaporation rate 3.5 metres (about 11 feet). Annualised average figures are misleading: since 1885 average rainfall over the 1,100,000 square kilometres of the Lake Eyre Basin has ranged from about 45 millimetres (less than 2 inches) in 1928 to over 760 millimetres (30 inches) in 1974. Most of the water reaching Lake Eyre comes from the river systems of semi-arid inland Queensland, roughly 1000 kilometres to the north.

landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
14 Dec 2008 8:27pm
All this means that the water table is Just below the surface.. On Lefroy there is a mix of Gypsum , Salt and fine silt/sand/clay. on the edges where there isnt as much gypsum bonding it all is where it is horrendously soft. A child can push a 1m wooden stake all the way in. there are areas where even a Quad cant go at times
when you go to do this you will NEED very good local knowledge and backup. A rescue effot out there will take its toll on the local people who feel obliged to look out in their own backyard. its not just a matter of money.
plan well and good luck
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
14 Dec 2008 8:29pm
splitpin said...

landyacht said...

Kody said...
surface and give you a report on the condition of the lake itself. And by the way, his fabulous little vechicle is a small hovercraft. He used to run up and down Mulambin Beach at Yeppoon until the council complained to him. If you are interested, let me know and I will ask him.

Kody

history has shown that EVERY hovercraft put to use on salty lake lefroy has been doomed because of the salt. the engines suck in the salt or water or mud and the you have to rascue them.. the last generation on lefroy were nly lifting platforms that were moved by wheels or towing .

must be something odd about lake lefroy i have been on both small and large hovercraft and did not have any of the problems you state there.
these were used on the ocean/lakes wet ground and dry dusty ground



SALT , pure salt, like Lake Eyre

cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
15 Dec 2008 12:10am
Eagles dare where angels fear to tread.
Only one question here. Are you an Eagle, an Angel or something in between??
BTW My new avatar features Gilbert Roland. If I can find one with Ceasar Romero, he will be next.
splitpin
splitpin
104 posts
104 posts
15 Dec 2008 8:27pm


must be something odd about lake lefroy i have been on both small and large hovercraft and did not have any of the problems you state there.
these were used on the ocean/lakes wet ground and dry dusty ground



SALT , pure salt, like Lake Eyre


i still dont see what is so special about SALT,pure salt you are telling me that running over sea water ,swamp water ,mud and dust and dirt is different to salt

aus230
aus230
WA
1660 posts
WA, 1660 posts
15 Dec 2008 8:47pm
Split Pin
We have a huge problem with salt from Lake Lefroy in the mines that are adjacent to the lake. Our fans will fail in no time flat with salt build up. Have to wash with fresh water every day. dam stuff sticks like glue as soon as it touches any surface.
Cheers
Vic
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
15 Dec 2008 10:26pm
the 100% stuff is really corrosive stuff. as a fine mist it gets into the pores of metal, through paint etc . You can SEE it eat hot dip galvanizing. after washing and drying out a yacht you need to come back the next day and wash off the the stuff that has oozed out of the tyres overnight.
A dry lump left on the yacht will suck up moisture from the air and start it all corroding over again.
One of the BLOKARTERS bought a shiny chrome plated helmet and the chromed layer got eaten in one session at the lake. it was pitted by the time he went home
It eats sealed electrics and mobile phones, my marine GPS, proper sheet ropes and MYLAR. strangely if you bury steel under the surface of the salt crust, and leave a piece of steel on the surface,the dissolved iron from the surface will precipitate out onto the buried bits,
Richard Jenkins original windjet wheels were fancy alloy racing rims when they left the lake, when Richard came back a year later they were a pile of Aluminium oxide and chloride on the floor of the shed
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
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19 Dec 2008 9:58am
Saw on "Sunrise" on channel 7 this morning, video of the rivers flowing into Lake Eyre at the moment.....
Kody
Kody
QLD
190 posts
QLD, 190 posts
19 Dec 2008 2:53pm
Hey fellas,
I have discovered the perfect means of transport over Lake Eyre. I should have thought of this some time ago. The very best way to transport equipment and back up is with ....... A Camel!

Kody

well the camel worked for Mr. Eyre.
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
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19 Dec 2008 5:45pm
Depending on how much water comes down the rivers the "Lake Eyre Yacht Club" might be the one to join if people wanted to explore the lake
www.lakeeyreyc.com/
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
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16 Jan 2009 8:19pm
Qld floodwaters moving in Lake Eyre's direction
ABC - January 16, 2009, 1:36 pm
The Queensland weather bureau says water might start flowing into Lake Eyre in South Australia's far north for the first time in eight years.

Water from the recent floods in Queensland is starting to make its way down the Georgina and Diamantina rivers towards the lake.

The bureau's hydrology manager Peter Baddiley says there is still plenty of time left in the wet season, so even more water could reach the system.

"We've got two or three months to run on our wet season but really these floods that have started up in the start of January and are running down our channel country now are the first pulse of the season," he said.

"But there's not a lot of volume in it.

"Future rain over the next couple of months would certainly increase the chance of water arriving into Lake Eyre in more significant quantity."

landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
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16 Jan 2009 8:26pm
Brilliant website , Uncle Gizmo. Looks like wet and sticky is the dry condition
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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WA, 5921 posts
25 Feb 2009 6:07pm
so what your sayingis that although we might ot get to be the first to landsail across Lake Eyre, we could bthe first Landsailors?.
Ive got a spare 30' schooner!
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