If he hadn't tried earlier to buy a kidney would it bother you less?

Well, generally if you try do something illegally and get caught, you wouldn't expect any favours when trying to do it next time, would you? You might even expect to be sent to the back of the queue, eh?

I wonder if there were others on the waiting list who got bumped so this Mr Tang (his store is about the equivalent of Myers in Melbourne, if that even still exists) could get the kidney and continue his fine dining and driving lamborghinis around town or whatever he does, while some "ordinary" person suffers...

I guess the fact that it came from a hanged murderer is kind of nice in a way; a killer dies but gives life and all that...but they've just this week sentenced an African guy to hang for smuggling 5kg of marijuana...the guy is only 20, what a f***-up he has made of his short life. I wonder who (if anyone) is getting his kidney?

I agree with Willy

If this man committed an offence to try and get a kidney and was convicted then he should have no chance of receiving a free one / donor list one later. End of the line thanks, mate.

Trouble with the justice system is (even in .sg which is a better system than ours) the judge can impose a fine or jail... not a penalty such as "end of the queue" which is morally more appropriate.

(BTW I can hear people saying that, whilst illegal, Mr Tang did not hurt anyone or do anything morally wrong, blah blah blah, he just tried to buy a kidney from an Indo bloke. Well that Indo fella was probably poor and would have lost a kidney for a few bucks and the surgery or poor lifelstyle with 1 x kidney would have killed him later... so I think it is still rich taking advantage of the poor).

EDIT:

and further..... I think that donor organs should not come from prisoners who are executed. That system is just asking for the situation where rich or influential make sure their judge mate sentences people to death so that somebody they know can get the organ.
Same argument figures partly in my oppostion to euthanasia (oh sh!t this will go the same was as the Angulo boards thread hahahhaa ignore that one)

Liz, yes I know you were just posing q's.
If this doesn't start out to be a sh!tfight I will start the euthanasia debate and see if we can break thread length records like the Angulo god loves you thread hahahaha

Sorry Mark, my *edits* just mean I added more info under the word 'edit' and left it at that.

Anyway. I see the direction you're coming from, but then we move from questioning if Mr Tang should receive a kidney due to him trying to buy one, to questioning the the merits of the whole judicial system there. !?

To add to the discussion, you are placed in organ donor 'lines' in order of the necessity of the organ, your age, your estimated life span if you received the organ and how successful the surgery would be/ take to the organ. It would, I hope, be uncommon to 'jump the line' because of your status. Then we begin to question the whole hospital and medical system of the entire country...

*edit* sorry!
I don't intend on this being anything bar a good stimulating discussion! I don't 'sh!t fight'. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just some more than others are more ethically or morally accepted. =]

Morally, as another human being, capable of life, loving, caring and every human emotion, should he not get the kidney? Irrelevant of what he tried to do? It is only when considered what he did that it becomes questionable if he 'deserves' it.

What we don't know is where on the 'list' he was, and if he was able to be MOVED forward on the list, I doubt he would have bothered to have tried to get one illegally. Its all blood type and 'matches' that are needed for kidney transplants, not just any old kiney; so even if he was 50th on the list, he might be the only suitable match for the kidney.

Yes just under 5 million population, however you are making the assumption that everyone is on the list. Good attempt

There are a mere 300,000 people diagnosed/ suffering kidney problems annually helped by The National Kidney Foundation of Singapore who take care of 2/3 of Singapore's kidney patient population. Therefore, 450 000 require assistance, dialysis or a kidney. Specifics I do not know.

However, you now suggest that all prisoners sentanced to death to not be allowed to donate!!!? That completely goes against a Utilitarianist, ethic of care and non-consequential viewpoints to say a few, where in general supports the viewpoint of the 'greater good for the greatest number'.

And ethic of care is completely supporting your moral basis viewpoint, but in regards to everyone who could possibly receive a kidney or other organ is denied the right by a LAW in which you suggest (in question)!

I'd swap my kidney for a new world wave 84l or a twinzer.

Wet Willy said...

Liz, how come you know so much?

I'm gaining 'life experience' and acquiring more knowledge as the years, months and days go by ...

Mark and I were on a productive roll last night!

Cassa said...

Mmmm, a lot of good valid points being made here, but what if you needed an organ transplant of some description ,wouldnt you do whatever needed to get it?
I know I certainly would do whatever, (legaly of course) to be with my wife and kids for as long as possible. ....................

and lots of people would do anything......

let's say Aust has the death penalty, my kid is dying and has a very rare blood type etc and I know he is a match for my estranged brother who is a donor. Obviously I'll do anything to save my kid so I frame my bro for a murder, knowing it is such a good framing he will be convicted and killed. Safer than me killing my bro which would be a bit obvious it would stick out like dog's balls that I had motive!

Job done.

How about a guy in the justice system bumps a donor up the 'kill list' when he knows a friend or relative needs an organ?

I still think it is dangerous to have people on a donor list when we (society) controls which donors die and when. Too much chance of corrupt activity. Maybe there can be appropriate controls but I dunno....

That is good! I think when u offend in a serious manner you should give up all rights not just freedom...... but you'd have trouble selling that one to the general pop'n perhaps.
The same problem raises it's ugly head where a prisoner could be murdered inside the jail when somebody knows they are a match.

Sorry I needed to find his name as I have seen it in a commercial for Griffith Uni.

Look at Rubin Carter who was jailed for over 20 years for a crime he didn't commit... When could it, if ever, be deemed acceptable to take a persons rights away because they have been charged/ proven guilty? Is there ever an absolute truth and result!?

http://www.griffith.edu.au/er/campaign/content_carter_tvc.html

NotWal said...

Spearsy said...

I'd swap my kidney for a new world wave 84l or a twinzer.

I've got some perfectly good gonads I'm not using. Any offers?

Yeah likewise

Mark _australia said...

NotWal said...

Spearsy said...

I'd swap my kidney for a new world wave 84l or a twinzer.

I've got some perfectly good gonads I'm not using. Any offers?

Yeah likewise

What you need is a spurt of creativity...