I have a new 10'6" Naish-with the NEW cammo grip which has now peeled up-apparently the grip problem has NOT gone away.

So I take the board back to warranty the grip-no issue there-the guys at Wind Surf n Snow are always top rate.

I take the board home and decide to peel off all the errant grip-to wax the board to keep riding whilst waiting for the new grip to come in under warranty.

On taking the grip off I notice about a 15 or so cm crack along the deck 'ridge'-about exactly where my left foot rests when parallel feet paddling:



Also notice there's heaps of heel dents etc.

Seems kinda' 'not right' to me on a board that's only been ridden about 8 times in 1-2 feet waves by a 77kg guy and a 50kg girl.

Anyone else had similar problems or input?

I'm back to see the guys at Wind Surf n Snow tomorrow.

Ta'
Matt

Just wish it was a 9'6" PSH Wide Ripper!

ianr64 said...

I was shown a NAISH at Christmas that was de-laminating aroung the carrying rebate in the deck.The dude said he tried to fix it with epoxy glue with no sucess,then the retailer ered at his repair saying that he should of left it and taken the board straight back to them,
Robbo

Right on-that's exactly what I'm doing and it's the correct course of action-play with it before taking it back and you kinda' shoot yourself in the foot.

loco4olas said...

ianr64 said...

I was shown a NAISH at Christmas that was de-laminating aroung the carrying rebate in the deck.The dude said he tried to fix it with epoxy glue with no sucess,then the retailer ered at his repair saying that he should of left it and taken the board straight back to them,
Robbo

Right on-that's exactly what I'm doing and it's the correct course of action-play with it before taking it back and you kinda' shoot yourself in the foot.

I agree,leave it alone then take it back ,mac

Champcrow-you may not know there's a problem unless you've taken your grip up-I only noticed because the grip came up and I decided to peel all the grip up and wax whilst waiting for the new grip.

I suspect a design issue in the construction-this isn't the first 10'6" with the problem.

I think the issue is that where you stand on the Naish 10'6" they have changed the rail shape so that where the rail comes over to the deck -the deck has a raised hard ridge for about 2 feet-done to flatten out the deck and give you a ridge to work off when parallel paddling (similar to grip which has the same raised area). It's a good idea-BUT what I suspect happens is the rail and the ridge in the area is stiffer and more rigid than the nearby deck area-results in the deck flexing where your feet are placed and thus where the stiffer rail meets the softer deck it gives and cracks in a parallel line (to the rail line) along that area where the less flexible and more flexible boundaries meet-I'm sure there's some engineering/physics jargon to more clearly (or not Wink ) express what I'm stating.

I did notice that my deck (after only about rides in fairly mellow waves) was remarkably dented-did not expect that on an epoxy board-would on my 4oz poly glass 6'1" boards-after a few surfs they're battered.

Matt

tha dogman said...

hi loco

my naish has the same crack line as yours put only about 100mm

i did a quick fix job on it and have had no problem with it for well over a year now and it has been through hell

the deck sunk a little at first but has stopped

having no grip is good as you can see any cracks etc in the glass and fix it before it takes on water and becomes a bigger problem

let us know what goes down

later dogman

Mate it looks like a common problem-over At www.standupzone.com there's a few guys there from the US with the same or similar issues.

Taking on water (as well as structural integrity-which in a circular way is negatively effected by water penetration) is a huge issue.

Looks like there is only a gloss coat over the wood laminate-you then get flexing at that point (where the hard rail line meets the softer deck) where you place your feet and the flex causes cracking.

So the official word from the local Naish distributor is that in their view the deck in that area has suffered and impact and therefore cracked and that it's my responsibility. Which is entirely incorrect.

At no time did that section of the board suffer any impact-the only 'impact' was the weight of my left foot (I'm 170lbs) and that of my wife (she's 120lbs). They've said that the best case scenario is a repair paid for by them-but at this stage they are not agreeing even to that-the Australian distributor has to go back to Naish and confirm with them the next step-based upon me saying I totally disagreed with their conclusion-I said I didn't want a repaired board-it was used 5-6 times and has failed-again reiterated that the very best scenario was that they paid for a repaired board, but they weren't agreeing to that at this stage.

Not impressed at all with the response so far-it's turned into a 'my word against yours' scenario.

So far I've been without the board for 2 weeks.

Oh yeah, I was told that once the board is taken in the surf they can't guarantee it. But it's advertised as a board FOR the surf.....?

Very significant contrast to the way Blaine reacted when there was the possibility of one of his boards having an issue:

www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=3708.0

I'll let you know how it turns out-looks instructive for others in the industry both manufacturers and consumers.

That is a bummer for you and it is a shame that Naish can't just replace it for you.

It would be great if Naish could just replace every board that comes along with damage but I can see their side of this also. (btw I'm not taking sides here)

I'm sure they get alot of "I was just paddling along in flat calm water and my board just broke in half for no reason" type comments where it's obvious that's not the case.

Also it's not about how many times it's been used or how new it is because just one awkward fall onto the board within the first few minutes can do damage that you could not hold Naish responsible for.

I've seen heaps of Naish boards that have taken years of punishment with no real damage so I think they are almost bulletproof.. but really no board is.

I would have a surfboard repairer repair it and stick your new grip on and I'm sure it will be fine.. I know that's not the answer you're looking for but that's what I'd do.

DJ

Hi Loco.

It sucks that happened to your Naish, I am really surprised to hear the response you have gotten from the retailer!

I went to the link you posted on ZONE and read Blaines reply very different.

Blaine has written to me re fins and other topics just from him or someone else reading posts on the forums. You can tell he is just stoked about surfing and his product.

I believe that Naish will come to the party, all it would take is a few posts like yours and you could destroy a global brand over night!

I bet you that there are a lot of nasties sitting under deck grips all around the world that no one knows about yet!!!

Best wishes hop it gets sorted soon!

Phill

OG SUP said...

Hi Loco.

It sucks that happened to your Naish, I am really surprised to hear the response you have gotten from the retailer!

I went to the link you posted on ZONE and read Blaines reply very different.

Blaine has written to me re fins and other topics just from him or someone else reading posts on the forums. You can tell he is just stoked about surfing and his product.

I believe that Naish will come to the party, all it would take is a few posts like yours and you could destroy a global brand over night!

I bet you that there are a lot of nasties sitting under deck grips all around the world that no one knows about yet!!!

Best wishes hop it gets sorted soon!

Phill

I'm not hopeful.

Received a very stone wall response from Windgenuity-the importer/distributor here-adamant that I was at fault. As I've said above-no issue whatsoever if I had in any way impacted on the board and caused damage-it didn't happen.