Has the Hellfish stopped spinning

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leigh
leigh
NSW
48 posts
NSW, 48 posts
14 Aug 2005 7:17pm
I have heard that they are in recall
cliffor123
cliffor123
455 posts
455 posts
14 Aug 2005 8:49pm
with any luck best went out of business because of that stupid light wind bet they made.
Macca Wollongong
Macca Wollongong
NSW
295 posts
NSW, 295 posts
15 Aug 2005 7:02am
according to best forums on their web site...

Hellfish production has stopped at the moment

And they recalled about 50 or so kites due to one particular machine opperator who failed to sew the leading edge seam correctley resulting in a bunch of LE explosions when inflated.

http://forum.bestkiteboarding.com/viewtopic.php?t=659

This should be a link to the info you want
NSW, 4382 posts
15 Aug 2005 7:59am
All Hellfish have been recalled.
The seam at the rear of the leading edge is faulty, and all the kites in the first batches will blow, eventually. There were other issues with asymetric flying and extreme (more than on a HF that flew) sensitivity to rear line tension.
I may have some car covers that will make all other car covers obsolete!!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

Steve McCormack
Hurrah
Hurrah
NSW
382 posts
NSW, 382 posts
15 Aug 2005 11:21am
Steve,

Like your sense of humour on this one.

Can I use it as a Bike cover ?
have you drunk the wine yet ?
Macca Wollongong
Macca Wollongong
NSW
295 posts
NSW, 295 posts
15 Aug 2005 11:26am
the best bit is you can drive in and out of the car cover when inflated. ;)
paulio
paulio
QLD
890 posts
QLD, 890 posts
15 Aug 2005 3:23pm
Matt Snowden and old Hunglong you guys seem to be fairly quiet? Got much to say? Not that id rub salt in the wounds
HungLong
HungLong
WA
859 posts
WA, 859 posts
15 Aug 2005 1:34pm
Na, got nothing...

As I've said before... jury's out for me, as I havent had much time on my demo model...

I'm looking forward to riding one when everythings worked out. But in the mean time I getting back to my favorites kites...

YARGA, NEMESIS & BFK's...

regards browneee
TimothyLeary
TimothyLeary
WA
142 posts
WA, 142 posts
15 Aug 2005 1:45pm
I'm not saying anything !
cliffor123
cliffor123
455 posts
455 posts
15 Aug 2005 2:17pm
come on tim, i always like to see what you have to say about people you dont like
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
15 Aug 2005 4:53pm
go on tim,

it's been boring lately, I know you want to![}:)]

say something about the difference between PREview and REview.

go on educate us.


best winds
Tony L
Matt Snowdon
Matt Snowdon
NSW
105 posts
NSW, 105 posts
15 Aug 2005 6:52pm
Yep the hellfish turned out like dogs balls.
Im over it.

Fitzy,
Did you check out the back seam on the leading edge of your 15m. Far out it blew us all away. The fibres have separated a good centimetre from the original stitching point. You can see the bladder inside.
A couple more pumps mate and she woulda gone KABOOM. Ill send ya a photo if you like

Goodwinds
Matt Snowdon

p.s. Cant wait to try some crossbows
TimothyLeary
TimothyLeary
WA
142 posts
WA, 142 posts
15 Aug 2005 4:52pm
I like everyone here !

But,I must say,I think the jury is in .
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
15 Aug 2005 5:57pm
The Hellfish might be a lame duck but is Cuben Fibre cloth here to stay?

The failed leading edge seam on the Hellfish sounds more like poor construction technique to me.
The usual practise with the seaming of laminates is the attaching of fabric tape to both edges before stitching.
The sewing thread then loads up against a weave instead of just clear plastic.

Is Cuben Fibre going to return in the form of some other fishy kite?

Does anybody really care?
KiteAgain
KiteAgain
NSW
99 posts
NSW, 99 posts
15 Aug 2005 8:01pm
quote:
Originally posted by Matt Snowdon

Yep the hellfish turned out like dogs balls.
Im over it.

Fitzy,
Did you check out the back seam on the leading edge of your 15m. Far out it blew us all away. The fibres have separated a good centimetre from the original stitching point. You can see the bladder inside.
A couple more pumps mate and she woulda gone KABOOM. Ill send ya a photo if you like

Goodwinds
Matt Snowdon

p.s. Cant wait to try some crossbows



Can you post a pic of the suspect seam here, upload it to the file section... i'd be interested to see, was quite interested in the hell fish till all this happened... it will be real interesting to see if the bladderless 06 nemesis ever does make it out of CAD and into reality...
Fitzy
Fitzy
QLD
617 posts
QLD, 617 posts
15 Aug 2005 9:24pm
Hi Matt

No I didn't notice the seam. We had played around with it over two days trying to sort out the tuning. Different bars, pigtail lengths, etc. etc. but to no avail.

Very light on the bar but just not a goer. I just brought it back home, gave it a detail and forwarded it on to you guys.

Am looking forward to trying the Crossbow 16. We had an insane session up here on Saturday. 17knts gusting to 33knts. Wow what a day. Guys were getting double boosts when two consecutive gusts hit.

One managed to land on a windsurfer and another had his harness let go while in the middle of a huge jump. Kite ended up on an island wrapped around some mangroves.

The Rapture 12m handled the conditions perfectly and it is for this reason I am looking forward to getting on a Crossbow. I have the feeling that it will have the same depower range that the Rapture does. We need that up here.

Fitzy Gold Coast OZ
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
16 Aug 2005 7:25am

does anybody realise that Cuben fibre was actually produced for the USA olympic yahting team to bypass the NO Kevlar rule.

that means it is an attempted copy of kevlar so if no such rule in Kiting then what's the problem with using Kevlar for the same if not better result?
NSW, 4382 posts
16 Aug 2005 8:03am
quote:
Originally posted by KiteAgain

quote:
Originally posted by Matt Snowdon

Yep the hellfish turned out like dogs balls.
Im over it.

Fitzy,
Did you check out the back seam on the leading edge of your 15m. Far out it blew us all away. The fibres have separated a good centimetre from the original stitching point. You can see the bladder inside.
A couple more pumps mate and she woulda gone KABOOM. Ill send ya a photo if you like

Goodwinds
Matt Snowdon

p.s. Cant wait to try some crossbows



Can you post a pic of the suspect seam here, upload it to the file section... i'd be interested to see, was quite interested in the hell fish till all this happened... it will be real interesting to see if the bladderless 06 nemesis ever does make it out of CAD and into reality...



Sorry too busy to post pics of about to pop seams. It will not tell you anything except they used poor construction methods for the rear seam.
Don't hold your breath on that Nem 06, eh!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
NSW, 4382 posts
16 Aug 2005 8:21am
quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN


does anybody realise that Cuben fibre was actually produced for the USA olympic yahting team to bypass the NO Kevlar rule.

that means it is an attempted copy of kevlar so if no such rule in Kiting then what's the problem with using Kevlar for the same if not better result?



Well we would not want the same result eh!!
Cuben is just spectra fibres laminated between mylar and flexible polymer laminates. Its main claim to fame is low stretch on bias loads, low weight, inability to absorb water.

Kevlar is even more expensive to produce, is weakened radidly by exposure to UV rays, is much heavier, and even more difficult to bond with laminates.

After seeing the results in the HF kites, and by that I mean the non delivery of the weight savings alone, I'm not convinced that there are sufficient benefits to warrant the extra cost. All the weight savings (20% approx) have been achieved by reducing the diameter of the LE and struts, but this has brought its own issues, that have made the kite unstable and hard to tune, as well as not delivering on the claimed better low end and high end.
Most of the kites we got will fly, but they are not user friendly, nor do they deliver the sort of performance that was hyped or that average joe kiter wants and expects from a kite priced in the very top end.
I have doubts about the ability of the laminate to withstand the abuse kiters will subject the cloth to, the constant folding and sudden high load stresses from crashing and wave pounding. It does rip and can delam we have seen both, and repairs will be a constant weak point and would require the application of insignia cloth to all torn areas to be sewn back together, resulting in a heavier and patchwork looking kite.

I really thought the low stretch quality of the cloth would deliver superior performance, not substantial enough in reality though.
bolgo
bolgo
WA
912 posts
WA, 912 posts
16 Aug 2005 9:03am
rumour is that other wipika, airush etc have the flat kites coming too
good if best does a tent material flat kite rather than cuben, and keep their pricing policy
i'm really baulking at spending 2g on a kite again, and have it worth 1/3 of that a few months later
RK
RK
WA
102 posts
RK RK
WA, 102 posts
16 Aug 2005 10:14am
Geezz Steve GOODWINDS McCormack

How would you have time to post a picture for the guy when you are so busy writing essays on the forums.

Business must be flat out

elmo
elmo
WA
8896 posts
WA, 8896 posts
16 Aug 2005 10:29am
Whatever happened to Alkiter and Bencuben?
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
16 Aug 2005 12:57pm
they're hiding out in a cave in western pakistan, smoking cuben cigars and planning their next marketing atrocity
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
16 Aug 2005 11:51am
quote:
Whatever happened to Alkiter and Bencuben?


Its a secret.........

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7181&SearchTerms=secret
shunter
shunter
WA
441 posts
WA, 441 posts
16 Aug 2005 12:36pm
anyone want LEMON with the blowenfish?????

cliffor123
cliffor123
455 posts
455 posts
16 Aug 2005 2:43pm
what happens if you scratch your leading edge in a bladderless kite, isnt the only difference between bladder and no bladder an increased chance of making your kite useless? also it would mean it would be very har to repair it yourself.
NSW, 4382 posts
16 Aug 2005 4:52pm
quote:
Originally posted by elmo

Whatever happened to Alkiter and Bencuben?



Ben Cuben's other name is Roger Explosion, he is from west of east and we at Alkiter think he is a fake. All the things he claimed to be, have proven to be untrue, he is an infidel, and an Alkiter Jihad has been declared on heem!
His skin is the colour of slag, and feels very greasy, he is a total wrinklefish!
We hope he delaminates in hell with other rotten fish, bad smelling thinks, hes lower than flea droppings, the bastard.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
AlKiter spokesperson
Munter
Munter
NSW
210 posts
NSW, 210 posts
16 Aug 2005 11:26pm
I'm fairly certain that Cuben fibre was developed for an america's cup syndicate. It was named after the syndicate America^3.
Given the high shock loads and the repeated flexing that the canopy material is subjected to I think there are many issues for cuben fiber to overcome before it can replace traditional cloth kites.

Its been interesting to watch the hellfish debacle. The kite, it seems, was not tested to any extent prior to release which meant it contained a number of design errors, sufficient to warrant stopping production. This is a bit unusual but not in itself remarkable. What was remarkable was hype from the Best pimp network. Pimping in itself isn't that unusual but the level of spin and the complete divergence of fact from reality that these pimps have pushed out is unbelievable. Further - this has continued well after each of the over-hyped claims has been demonstrated as untrue(or at least highly questionable). I'm saddened to think that commercial (and presumably personal) gain is put before integrity in such a blatant way.

For clarity - I am not connected with any manufacturer or the industry in general.
thetastate
thetastate
QLD
27 posts
QLD, 27 posts
17 Aug 2005 11:05am
quote:
Originally posted by elmo

Whatever happened to Alkiter and Bencuben?



quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

The Legends that surround Bin Cuben are propogated and maintained by the sour negativity of the Poleclans and their teamprawns constant rubbishing and bashing of anything that threatens the rivers of poly derived gold.


Alkiterpower have exiled Bin Cuben to Guantanamo and have since revealed their strong allegiances as Poleclan pawns of the sour infadels RobbyN and PeteC. Perhaps they were double agents all along…
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
17 Aug 2005 3:26pm
there will be a new test of alliegance at future kite events.

2 ships will be moored a distance apart and we will see who can jump the furtherest with a compulsory backflip, whilst doing a knife throwing act. there will be of course a sword embedded in the deck for landing on.

the first to say sorry will be the first to hear "too late".

best winds
Tony L
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
19 Aug 2005 10:19am
Just checked out that Kiteforum pic.

can anyone zoom in on the sails and see a brand etc.

can't trust those chinese can we.
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