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tartine said..

apfoil said..
getting up toeside is no more difficult than heelside, sometimes easier depending on direction of bumps/ wind because it naturally points you more downwind vs going heelside. in my mind the coordination of pumping is always going to be better on my strong side, so no real advantage to getting up switch. i'm still dialing in switch riding, but i imagine once the foot switch on foil is dialed there isn't a ton of benefit to getting up switch. getting up switch with an inflatable wing is super inefficient because you can't generate enough power pumping the wing

Thanks, that is what I secretly wanted to hear.
I had also that impression that if chop is not perfectly downwind aligned then one side will be harder to get on.

If you stick with the taxi and getting upwind on your weak side you will learn to foil up wind nearly as quick on your weak side as on your good side. Pretty soon you will be better than that guy on the video because he not going to ever learn to go up wind effectively and more importantly comfortably right across the wind range.
To say getting up toeside is just as easy is not really true in that it can work but in very good wind in a tiny range.
The only people that defend the toe side only approach are the ones who never learnt to ride upwind both ways and they are the last people to get an opinion on it.

Fishbone80 said..

AnyBoard said..
If there is wind and fetch then there is great fun to be had.
My opinion on minimum bumps for fun.
In 20 knot average as short as 7k fetch can be fun.
In 15 knots i feel you need 15k of fetch.
In 12 knots i feel you need at least 20k maybe 30k of fetch.
In 10 knots you need big ocean fetch and plenty of skill but can be really fun.

I feel like in 20 to 30k of fetch with 20 knots will be all time fun. More than this in the ocean becomes less about surfing and more about pointing it.

Great bumps can look like nothing to the untrained eye from the shore.

What do you mean by a 15K fetch? Does that mean that the body of water has to be 15km wide/long?

Thank You!

Its the distance the wind is travelling over water to create the swells. So if you have 15 kilometers of water upwind of you you have 15k of fetch for the wind to act on.

BWalnut said..

AnyBoard said..
This is great information.


Wouldn't it make sense though for most people to be comparing say the 4.2 hybrid against the 3.5 orbit based on the orbit still getting off the water in lighter wind. Even the 3.1 hybrid is not reported to get off the water in low end any where near the 2.7 Orbit. I haven't ridden these wings but I have a 2.7 orbit coming and the advice was to size it like a single skin for the bottom end yet the general advice for the hybrid is that you will need at lest one good size bigger than a single skin.
Maybe i went too small on the orbit?

That's a good question and interesting angle to come from for sure. It would make the top end line up better for 3.5 Orbit vs 4.2 Hybrid, both of which seem to go to 30 knots and then start to run into issues above that. If comparing the 3.1m Hybrid vs the 2.7m Orbit the low end may be similar, but I don't have enough experience on those two to be decisive. Orbit will potentially be snappier to fly, but the 3.1 top end destroys the 2.7m Orbit top end IMO.

I should have a few more days on the Hybrid 2.5 soon. Here's a comparison for you:

Orbit 2.7 session: This was my last session with the Orbit, sold it after this one.


Hybrid 2.5m session: Super fun, felt like immortality.


Out during peak winds for both sessions. You can see the Hybrid day was horribly gusty.

Thanks for that.
I guess with wind ranges like that its more about sizing up enough to survive the lulls on foil because there is always going to be a gust strong enough to get you on foil in circumstances like that on almost any size.


I am hoping a 2.7 Orbit works in our 20 knot average to 30 gusts and makes it a lot more comfortable and safer than a 2.4 PR v1. This would represent our frontal winds with our thermal winds sitting in the 15 to 20 knots averages and ok on a single skin.

windwaterfoil said..
I am curious about this topic too. We only have ****ty wind swell where I live. 4-5ft max.

For the wind swell riders, in your experience what kind of foil is best suited for these conditions? 10AR ish and turns well or 12+AR that glides well?

Its a very controversial question but for me i like my 12 aspect but i am only 66kg so in lighter conditions i only have the span of an 800 to deal with at 98cm and it surfs amazing. I like the glide that a 12 aspect foil allows you to finish a turn with. for 20 knots 685 12 aspect is great. I have two friends much heavier than me going in the same conditions. One will always be on one size bigger 12 aspect than me and the other loves his fairly large 10 aspect surf foils. they both work for different reasons.
I think for learning 12 aspect provides more time to make decisions to learn and will pump you out of trouble easier. 10 aspect might not project so well on the pump but it might provide a more manageable wingspan for those heavier riders.
Its almost like 12 to learn then 10 when better for a while and then smaller foils with 12 aspect again when pushing tight fluid turns.
Its hard to predict what particular bumps you might encounter until your try. Plenty of cheaper fun foils to learn on second hand if you want to change it up to see.

I think Sam said that his quiver would be a couple of dual skins on the smaller sizes end with a couple of single skins on the larger sizes but nothing required over 5 for him.

Youngbreezy said..

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scheggia said..

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Pacoo said..
At 15 knt I will be on the PR V2 5m or even on the 4,3m comfortably. I do not think you are comparing the right sizes, which is part of the question: why use a 5.7 m if I can use a much smaller size?

Its a valid point and particularly when so much weight is given in a review to the stow. It largely depends on rider weight. I note scheggia reviewing a 3.6m PR v1 in only 13 knots in a previous review against a gong 4m so i would expect that he is not a heavy weight. Very good VMG can be maintained on a PRv2 in 15 knots by someone on a 4.3 up to maybe 78 kg on downwind foils. Maybe a 5m makes sense for up to 90 kg at 15 knots. My friend at well over 100kg seems to be well powered at 15 knots on a 5.7.
How much rider weight will the LTX pull and still make good VMG in 15 knots. Then you can compare apples for apples on the stow and comfort.

I'm 70 kg. When I compared the PR V1 against the Gong 4.0, I was on my 100L DW board and a downwind foil (770R). In this comparison I was on my 73L mid-length and a "surf" foil (850S). I started appreciating bigger parawings after trying the Skin 5.4. It gave me a lot more range with my smaller board and foil, while still packing really well. The LTX takes that concept even further: it packs even better, has better VMG throughout the range, loses a touch of low end, and gives you tons of high end. In fact, the more powered it gets, the better its VMG becomes. The PR V2 5.7 definitely gives you better VMG and a better overall range than the Skin 5.4, but for me it's still a nightmare to pack. Again, if I'd tested the PT-Skin 5.4 against the PR V2 5.7, I most probably wouldn't have decided to change my parawing. Same thing that I did after trying the PR v1, I just decided that it wasn't worth the change.... But as soon as I tried the LTX 5.5 against the Skin 5.4, I came home and placed an order. Exactly the same thing happened the first time I tried the 4.3 Hybrid during a demo: I came home and ordered one. For me, it's really that simple.

scheggia said..

AnyBoard said..

Pacoo said..
At 15 knt I will be on the PR V2 5m or even on the 4,3m comfortably. I do not think you are comparing the right sizes, which is part of the question: why use a 5.7 m if I can use a much smaller size?

Its a valid point and particularly when so much weight is given in a review to the stow. It largely depends on rider weight. I note scheggia reviewing a 3.6m PR v1 in only 13 knots in a previous review against a gong 4m so i would expect that he is not a heavy weight. Very good VMG can be maintained on a PRv2 in 15 knots by someone on a 4.3 up to maybe 78 kg on downwind foils. Maybe a 5m makes sense for up to 90 kg at 15 knots. My friend at well over 100kg seems to be well powered at 15 knots on a 5.7.
How much rider weight will the LTX pull and still make good VMG in 15 knots. Then you can compare apples for apples on the stow and comfort.

I'm 70 kg. When I compared the PR V1 against the Gong 4.0, I was on my 100L DW board and a downwind foil (770R). In this comparison I was on my 73L mid-length and a "surf" foil (850S). I started appreciating bigger parawings after trying the Skin 5.4. It gave me a lot more range with my smaller board and foil, while still packing really well. The LTX takes that concept even further: it packs even better, has better VMG throughout the range, loses a touch of low end, and gives you tons of high end. In fact, the more powered it gets, the better its VMG becomes. The PR V2 5.7 definitely gives you better VMG and a better overall range than the Skin 5.4, but for me it's still a nightmare to pack. Again, if I'd tested the PT-Skin 5.4 against the PR V2 5.7, I most probably wouldn't have decided to change my parawing. Same thing that I did after trying the PR v1, I just decided that it wasn't worth the change.... But as soon as I tried the LTX 5.5 against the Skin 5.4, I came home and placed an order. Exactly the same thing happened the first time I tried the 4.3 Hybrid during a demo: I came home and ordered one. For me, it's really that simple.

I am just under your weight and riding similar very sized foils and board.

3.6m PR V1 13 knot test with 770R = a little less than ideal wind to test VMG.

15 Knots with a 5.7 PRv2 is pretty unnecessary. I am really powered on a 4.3 V2 and starting to think 3.6 if it is even slightly above 15 consistently. I can easily match your reviewed 5.7 PR VMG on a 4.3?
I don't know the the 777 LTX range but it sounds like you need the 5.5 in 15 knots as you say in the review you were on the bottom end of the wind range.
Now how would your review outcome change if you compare the 4.3 PRV2 with the 5.5LTX? How much nicer is a 4.3 to fly and pack up than a 5.5LTX?
People are spending big dollars on this stuff and we come here to try and minimize the bad decisions we have all made in the past. You guys have convinced that at the lighter end the hybrids and the LTX don't make sense but i had to read between the lines.

This is such a nonsense comment. Scheggia reviewed the 2 wings within their stated wind range. Just because you can get on foil with a handkerchief in a seagull fart doesn’t invalidate the review. Also if you’re so concerned about everyone getting the best most accurate information from the forums you should state your weight and height when giving out your wind ranges. Then normal full grown man size people can take that into consideration when evaluating the information your giving.

Maybe you should have read a little deeper before posting rubbish. Scheggia and myself are nearly the same weight. That doesn’t put the 5.7 in its ideal wind range at all which he accepted.
If you think they will do the same job or even belong in the same wind range knock yourself out. A fool and his money are easily parted.

Hahaha. Too funny

I am a life long surfer and get in the ocean almost everyday. I started foiling in 2015 and have enjoyed the very start of every foiling discipline since, including winging, SUP DW, prone since 2017 and have done over 200 parawing sessions since the V1 PR came out in April last year. All of them chasing bumps. I would say that makes me pretty open minded and experienced enough to know what I am seeing and hearing. I also have some great contacts.

Not sure why you think I have ruled out a 777 hybrid for our gusty frontal wind with a range from 15 to 30 knots.

scheggia said..

BWalnut said..
Anyboard, just wondering: Have you tried these parawings yourself?

I have a feeling he didn't...

That's why we are here mate. If I had the money to just buy all the wings I wouldn't need to come here. We all come here to share and hopefully cut through the rubbish of marketing and influencing with integrity.

As just one example of learning here was watching Bryan post his angles over 12 months and then see the LTX angles that just aren't up to scratch with what he achieved on a v1 pocket rocket. I don't have to ride the LTX to know that if i am looking for a generational improvement in upwind performance then the LTX might not be where I need to go. I understand that you love the LTX for your use case but you convinced me not to get one for my use case and i must thank you for saving me money. You have also have convinced me not to speculate on a PPC orbit. I appreciate your reviews Bryan and I feel they are pretty fair and particularly if you can read between the lines for your use case.

scheggia I mostly remain quiet but when i see some hypocrisy or disingenuousness then i will call it out. Again I am reading between the lines as that's what we have to do in order not to waste time and money. The funny thing is I don't need to ride those wings to be critical of the approach to the judgements you are making. Just lots of experience will do. Its not the first time I have felt compelled to call you out.

MeonAsh said..
I've been testing a 4.5m and I have to say unless you are going way upwind and then downwinding back with this packed I can't see another reason for owning one. Trying to freeride or lap with it over shorter distances is painful, it is not a playful or easy to use parawing in that regard. I've tried lapping with it over shorter distances and it's not suited to that in any way at all. Definitely don't get one to freeride.

Isn't that the exact use case?
Long up winder and pack down. Comfort in gusty variable winds.
What does playful mean?
Many are keen for feedback on the performance of this wing and i don't think any of us are looking for playful or freeride.

For me the hype is not coming from the forum or even Facebook and instagram. It’s the shear numbers of serious recreational dw foilers who tried f4 and never looked back.

The tide of Maui f4 conversions is unlike any other brand to date in hype. It’s not just Maui. If someone who downwinds seriously and they try it they can’t stop talking about it.

The comments on the mast make no sense either Bryan. 13mm RC crazy stiff. Or 11 or sr if your after efficiency and stiff

hilly said..

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hilly said..

pitbulldoug said..
just a guess is you will be waiting quite awhile knowing Fone hope its worth the wait, until then keep riding the PR V2 3.6 be surprised if it is any better than the PR V2,my biggest gripe about frigate V1 besides getting ahold of it in the first place LOL,was the line quality had issues with line color jacket/sleeves fraying with minimal hrs on it,hope they upgraded lines on V2🙏

I find the opposite. Have Frigate V1s and PR V2s. Prefer the Frigate lines, no fraying issues, although they are a bit sharp. Do not tangle like the PRV2s do.

Hilly I would love to know the sequence of events that result in those lines tangling. Are we talking tangles on redeploy or from crashing?

Collapse the wing hang on to it with handle in holster riding a wave. Go to redeploy and the lines have tangled themselves while I rode the swell. Frigate did not do that. If I crash it is worse. Short rides so I do not pack away.

Ok so this is what I do on waves.
a line collapse into my back hand. Immediately put the bar against the bundle in my back hand by continuing to hold the lines against the bar. The bar sort of splits the batterns correctly. With the bar and Aline’s held together in the back hand it would be extremely rare to get a tangle. This motion takes 2 seconds. If I hold the bar in one hand and the Aline’s in another it can tangle because your letting the lines get blown over each other in a skipping rope motion. A holster is doing the same thing.
i have close to 100 sessions on the 3, 3.6 4.3 and the 5.7. Even surfing with that massive 5.7 seems fine with this technique.

maxpwr said..
I had no issues with my airbank puffer pro from Ali Express, onsold to a mate who is still using it without issue.
I upgraded to the airbank pulse pro which is fantastic, really quick and has a few QOL improvements.

I'm firmly in the pro electric pump camp, one of the best purchases I've made.

There are three puffer pro's in our group and all of them at about the 18 month mark developed electronic issues. They started getting this recharge error which prevents recharging and now two of the three have died and one on life support. The mechanics for the pump seem fine so to me the instability of the electronics is a warning on the brands itself.

The few of us with airbanks are have trouble with recharging and some dying. They weren’t cheap

This is how i see the market as I wrote on another forum.
Firstly we got the Maliko and its poor behavior convinced most that this wasn’t even going to be a sport and in fact stalled the sport for a brief moment.

Along came the PR V1 and although its performance has stood the test of time so many complained. The lines are too long, its too high aspect to get going off the water with power or pumping my legs, i can’t pack it up because i don’t want to practice on the beach. Others were ripping upwind in relative comfort and accepting that a packdown required some technique but loved how amazing it sailed including jibes. hahaha

In response to the above the manufacturers delivered what an upwinder might call under preforming, but easy to pack and fly at least and had people thinking that shuttles are still the go. PP ,quest, Kanaha, 777 UWDW just to name a few.
Now we have PRv2 that should make most people very very happy including all the V1 complainers. If that is you and you want to be pulled off the water without pumping your legs, with packup and deploy success without too much planning, easy to learn on with market leading single skin upwind then ozone listened. My wife is currently learning on these V2’s.
For those of us that immediately sold our DW boards and have pushed and experienced the limits of the V2’s, when powered up, going hard upwind, then we look forward to possible solutions like the after burner. It needs to provide great VMG with comfort and as long as it packs only as good as a V1 PR or better we will be happy.

PP = waves and shuttles.
PRV2 = great all round access to all the disiplines of parawinging with great upwind and learning characteristics.
Afterburner = Advanced riders pushing very hard upwind and those looking for sailing performance at speed.
Its pretty clear and simple.

BWalnut said..
What wind ranges?
Upper teens to 30 knots at the moment. The main thing limiting the top end at the moment is actually the lines for me.

Leaving trim on?
When you get up on foil it's exactly like the Paia where you can tell there's very little wind in the sail if underpowered. Pull a little trim and the bar pressure increases and you can lean back and crank upwind. It feels like, at least to me, that the trim is something to actively interact with in the Gorge. Places with steady wind might not need to manage this.

Upwind comfort vs competition?
Pocket rocket is no longer even in the discussion for upwind comfort. Orbit may be the best. Paia/Hybrid top tier, LTX just a sliver behind. No plans to try the Afterburner.

Sharp lines?
To honestly evaluate the lines riders need to be on the water and nearing the stated top end of the wind range. I had zero issues with the 3.5 at 20-25 knots but when the wind came up and I thought "Oh hell yes this is going to be so f'ing sick!!!!" My session came to an abrupt halt due to the lines. I don't know if it's the blue A-lines, the outer A-lines, or the final A-lines that connect to the canopy but when you are retracting and the high aspect ratio canopy reaches a vector pull on the lines it slices me. Friends have stopped trying to do full retracts without gloves. They pull halfway, then reach up and grab the canopy. Again, this is a known issue, PPC shipped an unknown number of first run Orbits out with the original lines. It seems like the second run lines have been updated and direct from them: "The lines have been beefed up slightly. With this update, we haven't affected performance. But from current reviews, we are looking at playing around with line weight to help with the A lines."

Here's where my blue A-lines switch to red and reach the canopy. You can see they get very thin:

Thanks heaps. Very interesting.
I am double pulling everything inside now and even the small prv2 3 because I always seem to be in the top end of the wind range and it’s just easier there.