beerdead said...
Have to agree with your additions Mark.

Moby I agree that there has always been youthful rebelliousness, but the scale of it seems to be out of proportion to what us old blokes have witnessed through several generations.

There used to be moral codes of acceptable behaviours which don't seem to be observed today. Even fights were marquis of queensbury. Now they use chairs, palings, knives, bottles, or anything they can get hold of.

I have lost count of the amount of acquaintances who have been knocked out by large gangs of juveniles.

My young bloke was knocked out by some one he hasn't seen or met yet. He suffered a concussion. That's brain damage, and only time will tell if it was permanent. He has never raised a hand to anyone, and was open and friendly. He is now an angry surly prick that can't be told anything.

These events are far more life changing than are obvious.
I have lost count of the amount of patients I have nursed with brain damage or PTSD, anxiety etc due to assault.

I have a nonviolent philosophy, but I think it's time for an eye for an eye.

Worrier, I agree that the horse has bolted. It will take a hell of a lot of change to return to observation of moral codes, and it will need to be severe in order to work.

As for the rest of the world, there are certainly some violent places, but interestingly it seems to be the traditional cultures which enjoy the most respect and peace at a personal level, (despite some elements being at war with other cultures). (That should open a can of worms :)

The moral diaspora is complex, but antisocialism, narcisism, and psycopathy at personal levels seem to follow more populated and advanced societies.

Mark _australia said...
Beerdead - bloody spot on.

But also add

Insular society (don't know your neighbours) and more indoor personal entertainment like 30 TV channels, internet etc etc) and many kids are no longer subject to discipline from the friend's parents, neighbours, coaches, clubs etc.

Dumbing down of education standards (nobody fails anymore) so mediocre is just great

Lack of personal responsibility - told all about rights not responsibilities. That seems to be starting to (slowly) correct?

Big one - desinsitisation to violence and lack of empathy. For the same reason there is outcry over online bullying with people taking their own life, and /or normal people saying horrid things to others on FB etc ........ same reason we see more frequent vicious assaults. Lack of real personal interaction due to social media combined with glorified violence on movies is a massive issue. the, say, 15 - 21 y/o of today has bugger all empathy toward fellow man.

Soft magistrates. Zero punishment in children's court - after 3rd or 4th conviction they may get a suspended (pretend) jail term. MAYBE. What do they learn? Teachers can't touch me, dad doesn't care cos he left years ago, I am bigger and meaner than single mum so she can get fkd, now in court the Magistrate just told me I am naughty and I have to to go see a counsellor for 30mins a week. lol all the way home.

beerdead said...
People have always gotten pissed but they didn't always try to cripple or kill others.

Alcohol hasn't changed, but society has.

My role in mental health clearly shows enormous differences in those elements of society with poor or absent parenting. And not necessarily low socio-economic areas.

Kids need mothers AND fathers who show them responsibility and accountability.

Unfortunately society is into it's 3rd generation of narcissistic selfishness, (post the social revolutions of the 60's and 70's) such as separating marital partnerships because it's "too hard".

For **** sake, it's not a joy ride. That's why marriage vows state "for better for worse". Work it out and stick it out for the kids sakes.

Have a look at the DSM4 TR regarding 'Personality Disorders', Axis II, Cluster B personalities and see how much modern personality you can identify in todays society.

Mark _australia said...


I am talking about other states (I think NSW still has it). Repealed in 70's and 80's all over Oz .... but as I am talking about WA well you are sorta correct as it was very early 1990.
Regardless - my point is that lefties end up making things more permissive, then we wonder why we have more assaults