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Pugwash
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10 Oct 2012 10:14am
log man said...
Yesterday confirmed my idea about the future of Abbott. I've long thought that if the polls got to within 52/48 then the coalition would move on Abbott. The thing is, love her or hate her when Gillard gets up on to her hind legs and starts swinging Tony Abbott will always come off second best. And the coalition know it.


Are you being serious or is this jocular?

log man said...
Yesterday confirmed my idea about the future of Abbott. I've long thought that if the polls got to within 52/48 then the coalition would move on Abbott.


Confirmed? Do you have insider info? I hope you are right... The return of Turnbull will see the end of this pathetic saga once and for all...

log man said...
...when Gillard... starts swinging Tony Abbott will always come off second best. And the coalition know it.


Rubbish... Gillard (and to a lessar degree, Abbott) looked ridiculous. None of it was statesperson, statesmen or stateswomen like behaviour... All very poor form... Abbott's comment on the Labs dying of shame was extremely poor. The reaction (body language) from the Libs side suggested many agreed.

log man said...
The thing is, love her or hate her when Gillard gets up on to her hind legs...


As you are a Labs lover and a member of the Labs, I am surprised by your comment.
The free dictionary .com tells me the following definition for hind legs:

The free dictionary .com...
Noun 1. hind leg - the back limb of a quadruped.
Quadruped - an animal especially a mammal having four limbs specialized for walking


Yes, I call Labor "The Labs" as I think they are a slobbery dog party in their managment of political business and that they are hardly distinguishable from the Libs.

However, your reference to Gillard as being a four-legged mammal is completely inappropriate, misogynist and sexist
myusernam
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10 Oct 2012 12:42pm
tmurray said...
kiteboy dave said...
In other news, Tony Abbott got up in parliament today and said to the Prime Minister "your government should have died of shame by now".

What an appalling thing to say. A cold, calculating, reptilian blow to the PM. Shows him as a disgusting person, willing to stick the knife in over someone's father's death - just to try to score a political point.

I don't care about the politics - if my dad had been dead 2 weeks and some guy gets up across the table and smartarsedly insinuates that he died of shame, somehow, even though I'd made it to leader of the whole fkin country, I'd be over that table led by 2 fists.

The Prime Minister got up and absolutely ripped him a new one. Several new ones, in fact. It was a great speech. Worth the 15 minutes to watch.

www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-09/julia-gillard-attacks-abbott-of-hypocrisy/4303634


Abbotts excuse is that he had 'forgotten' the original Alan Jones comment. Is he stupid, lying or completely unaware of current events? None ideal qualities in an aspiring leader of the nation.
All that work his wife put into making him more appealing to women voters is gone I'd say.
Most amusing day in politics in a long while!


yes by saying that he fully endorses the jones comment IMHO. I wouldn't be surprised in the libs came up with it as the latest spin and let Jones float it out there. Abbott was foolish to repeat after it bombed so badly with Jones I reckon. Might just be the end of him. Liberal voter but dont like Abbot
Gunna1
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10 Oct 2012 12:44pm
It's a shame that it is now a shameless act to use the word shame! Derryn Hinch will be in real trouble now, Shame, Shame' Shame!
Having said that, it is a bit precious of the PM to be offended by the "S" word when she stood up in parliment last month and compared Abbott to Jack the Ripper and backed Slipper until he fell on his sword.
I think Abbott and Gillard have both showed what a couple of jerks they really are. It's a shame,oops sorry, it's a problem that there is nothing to replace either of them.
log man
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10 Oct 2012 4:28pm
It's kind of funny seeing all the coalition supporters here trying the old "yeah we're pretty crap but you're even crapper" trick.

Gunna says "It's a shame that it is now a shameless act to use the word shame".....um it's not the word "shame" is it. It's the phrase "died of shame" as used by Alan, Alan,Alan. But my guess is you knew that and you were just trying to be tricky Gunna.

"I think Abbott and Gillard have both showed what a couple of jerks they really are."....Well, NO....Abbott showed himself to be a Jerk, the PM just dismantled him. I don't think you can accuse the PM of being a jerk because she spent 20 minuted demolishing the fool after remaining silent on these attacks for months.
log man
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10 Oct 2012 4:39pm
Pugwash said...
log man said...
Yesterday confirmed my idea about the future of Abbott. I've long thought that if the polls got to within 52/48 then the coalition would move on Abbott. The thing is, love her or hate her when Gillard gets up on to her hind legs and starts swinging Tony Abbott will always come off second best. And the coalition know it.


Are you being serious or is this jocular?
No I'm serious. Give Gillard a 6 week election campaign against Abbott and she will wipe the floor with him.

log man said...
Yesterday confirmed my idea about the future of Abbott. I've long thought that if the polls got to within 52/48 then the coalition would move on Abbott.


Confirmed? Do you have insider info? I hope you are right... The return of Turnbull will see the end of this pathetic saga once and for all...

Absolutely spot on. I just hope the coalition go to the election kidding themselves that Abbott can win. If they go with Turnbull, Labour are rooted


log man said...
...when Gillard... starts swinging Tony Abbott will always come off second best. And the coalition know it.


Rubbish... Gillard (and to a lessar degree, Abbott) looked ridiculous. None of it was statesperson, statesmen or stateswomen like behaviour... All very poor form... Abbott's comment on the Labs dying of shame was extremely poor. The reaction (body language) from the Libs side suggested many agreed.

I can't agree with your assessment of Gillard looking "ridiculous". She reminded me yesterday of Keating in full flight, reaching over the dispatch box and staring down the opposition, I thought she was awesome.

log man said...
The thing is, love her or hate her when Gillard gets up on to her hind legs...


As you are a Labs lover and a member of the Labs, I am surprised by your comment.
The free dictionary .com tells me the following definition for hind legs:

The free dictionary .com...
Noun 1. hind leg - the back limb of a quadruped.
Quadruped - an animal especially a mammal having four limbs specialized for walking


Yes, I call Labor "The Labs" as I think they are a slobbery dog party in their managment of political business and that they are hardly distinguishable from the Libs.

However, your reference to Gillard as being a four-legged mammal is completely inappropriate, misogynist and sexist


Sheesh!
log man
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10 Oct 2012 4:51pm
Question time in the Reps was fascinating today. Abbott was silent, and the coalition benches were very reserved, even coalition back benchers asked some questions to cabinet ministers. Very weird. It was like the coalition didn't want to make the PM angry again cause she'd kick the **** out of them again.

My highlight tho was Chris Pyne jumping up on a point of order claiming that Albanese's use of the term "bloke" was sexist and he should apologise. How friken embarrassing. It just shows that the coalition just don't get it.
tmurray
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10 Oct 2012 1:52pm
For his part, Mr Jones seemed to agree that Mr Abbott's comments were poorly timed, telling Channel Seven's Sunrise this morning, it was an "unfortunate choice of words".
"I think we've got to move away from anything that might continue to reflect on those remarks, for which I have apologised," Mr Jones said.


Read more: www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/died-of-shame-focus-on-abbotts-use-of-controversial-phrase-20121010-27cgd.html

So even Alan Jones thinks it was a stupid thing to say!
NotWal
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10 Oct 2012 4:13pm
Now that Slipper's pulled the pin he'll be on the back bench as an independent. I guess we will see him voting with the Coalition more than with the Government given that that's where he came from.

I wonder if Tony will be courting his allegiance as he did with the other independents. Can you imagine how that meeting would go?

Anyway this could be the tipping point regardless. We could have a no confidence vote before too long. Interesting times.


Pugwash
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10 Oct 2012 2:19pm
NotWal said...
Now that Slipper's pulled the pin he'll be on the back bench as an independent. I guess we will see him voting with the Coalition more than with the Government given that that's where he came from.

I wonder if Tony will be courting his allegiance as he did with the other independents. Can you imagine how that meeting would go?

Anyway this could be the tipping point regardless. We could have a no confidence vote before too long. Interesting times.



Good point. Will we see Julia and Tony sprinting for the door to avoid his "tainted" vote as we did with the member for Dobell

[EDIT]: I see ABC news are running a similar story... BTW, the bias of ABC news (including JJJ) to The Labs has been amusing... Here's your chance guys! Errr... I mean here's your chance gender non-specific word to describe a group of people...
Pugwash
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10 Oct 2012 2:22pm
log man said...
My highlight tho was Chris Pyne jumping up on a point of order claiming that Albanese's use of the term "bloke" was sexist and he should apologise. How friken embarrassing. It just shows that the coalition just don't get it.


Christopher Pyne clearly has a few issues with gender - madam deputy speaker!:

www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-09/speaker-can-never-resume-chair-pyne/4303770

OK OK, so somewhere between 1:00 and 10:00, Anna Burke changed to be...

BTW - Loggy - It's cool you were reminded of Paul Keating... Kind of like salmon fishing... that was funny! What in particular was it that reminded you of Keating Surely it wasn't Gillard publically losing it
myusernam
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10 Oct 2012 5:31pm
on a slight aside...check out peter slippers sexist texts

www.dailytelegraph.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

oh peter - You have a wife dude!
I wonder how she's feeling right now, especially about her shelless muscle?
Dirty bxstard serves u right
FlySurfer
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10 Oct 2012 7:18pm
FlySurfer said...
BabaORiley said...
Assange is the kid you flogged at smoko and now whats revenge on the world. If i came across that shirt lifting maggot i would remind him of his high school days again.
What a germ....


And yet he is an internationally renowned information freedom activist with conjugal visits from Lady Gaga, and you are?

log man
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10 Oct 2012 7:39pm
Pugwash said...
log man said...
My highlight tho was Chris Pyne jumping up on a point of order claiming that Albanese's use of the term "bloke" was sexist and he should apologise. How friken embarrassing. It just shows that the coalition just don't get it.


Christopher Pyne clearly has a few issues with gender - madam deputy speaker!:

www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-09/speaker-can-never-resume-chair-pyne/4303770

OK OK, so somewhere between 1:00 and 10:00, Anna Burke changed to be...

BTW - Loggy - It's cool you were reminded of Paul Keating... Kind of like salmon fishing... that was funny! What in particular was it that reminded you of Keating Surely it wasn't Gillard publically losing it


What reminded me of Keating? It was that fierce, icy stare that she fixed on Abbott and when she pointed at him and said "THAT man" I thought oooooohhhh yeah. Reminded me of Keating saying to Hewson "cause I want to do you slowly". Very interesting to see Abbotts come back today in question time...........Nuthin...He's rooted.
Diver
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10 Oct 2012 5:17pm
There is a problem with the Opposition Leader, namely a disconnect between his mouth and his brain. He is ambitious, probably well-meaning, but he avoids in depth interviews like the plague, mainly because he can't take pressure.

Abbott admitted in an interview with Kerry O'Brien (7.30 Report), that when under pressure he tends to exaggerate and should not be believed or held to his word. Adding, he is only to be believed when he was reading from a written, prepared script.

His foot remains firmly in his mouth with comments like; "Sh!t happens" (when speaking about the death of an Australian soldier in Afghanistan), "I'm no tech head", (when asked about the NBN roll-out) and "No, I haven't read the press release that I've called this TV interview to discuss." And not to forget his comment that mesothelioma sufferer Bernie Banton's motives were not "pure of heart".

Abbott was stupid enough to inadvertently echo Alan Jones' recent comments despite the ongoing public campaign against Jones and the reaction to those words used. It doesn't matter how many times Abbott has used them in the past, you would think a Rhodes Scholar might know when decency dictates when they became unacceptable.

The PM is just as disgusted by Slipper as she is by Abbott, but all the argument would account for nothing if the Federal Court is allowed consider the ongoing Ashby issue through its due process. Parliament passes laws not judgment on individuals.

Forget the polls and rather than read and / or listen to the Murdoch, Stokes and Singleton media outlets, have a look at social media and what people both here and abroad really think of the opposition, its leader and associated hangers on who continue to talk this great nation down.

The Prime Minister is a good politician and PM, I could hardly say the same for the person putting himself up as the alternate.
kiteboy dave
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10 Oct 2012 7:30pm
Diver said...
Abbott was stupid enough to inadvertently echo Alan Jones' recent comments ...


I don't believe that for a second. That's his excuse when his spiteful jibe backfired. Don't forget this is a guy who sits across the table from the Prime Minister and quietly heckles her day in day out, at a volume low enough that only she can make it out. Occasionally he gets caught by the speaker and reprimanded, he just turns it down a decibel and keeps going. Nasty piece of work.

tmurray - wft were they doing asking Alan what he thought? I mean for a start how is that relevant, but more importatnly I can't understand why you would give the man air time given how much he stinks right now. I'm thinking he's pulled some serious favours - as a 'kingmaker' in the past he has amassed some heavyweight debts he can call in, and I reckon getting soft airtime is one of them.
Pugwash
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10 Oct 2012 6:17pm
log man said...
What reminded me of Keating? It was that fierce, icy stare that she fixed on Abbott and when she pointed at him and said "THAT man" I thought oooooohhhh yeah. Reminded me of Keating saying to Hewson "cause I want to do you slowly". Very interesting to see Abbotts come back today in question time...........Nuthin...He's rooted.


I love perception... and understanding the views of others... And in no way do I think your view is wrong... The truth is somewhere. I have learnt that I'm always wrong

I interpreted that fierce, icy stare a little differently. It looked tired and dogged to me... They have fought on such trivial distractions for so long that purpose and vision have been lost. It's a moral vacuum. Near approach will suck you in.

Next please... There will be a new government for me to dislike in 12 months
tmurray
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10 Oct 2012 6:40pm
kiteboy dave said...
Diver said...
Abbott was stupid enough to inadvertently echo Alan Jones' recent comments ...


I don't believe that for a second. That's his excuse when his spiteful jibe backfired. Don't forget this is a guy who sits across the table from the Prime Minister and quietly heckles her day in day out, at a volume low enough that only she can make it out. Occasionally he gets caught by the speaker and reprimanded, he just turns it down a decibel and keeps going. Nasty piece of work.

tmurray - wft were they doing asking Alan what he thought? I mean for a start how is that relevant, but more importatnly I can't understand why you would give the man air time given how much he stinks right now. I'm thinking he's pulled some serious favours - as a 'kingmaker' in the past he has amassed some heavyweight debts he can call in, and I reckon getting soft airtime is one of them.



You would have to ask channel 7. Wonder how many people will boycott Mel and Kochie now.

I already was. Mostly cause Kochie's a douche.
kiteboy dave
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10 Oct 2012 9:32pm
tmurray said...
I already was. Mostly cause Kochie's a douche.


With ya on that one. I hate that croaky-voiced turdbag with a passion.
kiteboy dave
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11 Oct 2012 8:13am
kiteboy dave said...
Don't forget this is a guy who sits across the table from the Prime Minister and quietly heckles her day in day out, at a volume low enough that only she can make it out. Occasionally he gets caught by the speaker and reprimanded, he just turns it down a decibel and keeps going. Nasty piece of work.


Bit more detail on this from today's media

Frontbencher Jenny Macklin says ''every single day, Mr Abbott sits across from the Prime Minister [in Parliament] and abuses her. He calls her names across the table repeatedly. And it is just time it was called out.''
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Government sources say Mr Abbott repeatedly taunts ''liar, liar, you're lying again'' over the dispatch box, usually too softly to be heard by Hansard. In question time yesterday Ms Gillard revealed Mr Abbott had quietly accused her of being a ''piece of work''. He was forced to withdraw.



Read more: www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/words-may-come-easy-but-they-wont-be-cheap-20121010-27dlw.html
lightwood
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11 Oct 2012 9:45am
So he's calling a liar a liar? What a sexist bastard.
NotWal
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11 Oct 2012 11:05am
lightwood said...
So he's calling a liar a liar? What a sexist bastard.


Well it has nothing to do with the carbon tax. It's just insulting.
kiteboy dave
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11 Oct 2012 11:11am
lightwood said...
So he's calling a liar a liar? What a sexist bastard.


If every pollie spent all day calling every pollie who lied a liar then all we'd hear would be the word liar echoing round.

Tony Abbott said during an interview a year or two ago :“The statements that need to be taken absolutely as gospel truth are those carefully prepared, scripted remarks”.

Let me paraphrase: If I'm talking, I'm lying.
tmurray
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11 Oct 2012 6:37pm
So when Tony tabled a pensioner power report today saying that her bill had gone up 70% because of the carbon tax, when in fact her power use had doubled - was he lying or just incompetent.
When he claimed that BHP was closing mines due to the carbon tax, when a statement released that day clearly stated they had not - was he lying, or just incompetent.
When he 'forgot' what Tony Jones had said to cause a 2 week media furore - was he lying, or just completely out of touch.

Nb - he's a Rhodes Scholar - I doubt he's incompetent.
Scotty88
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11 Oct 2012 6:45pm
Mark my words Alan will get his back on this labor driven social networking bs agenda.
I am sure he has drawn up a list of revenge.
Pugwash
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11 Oct 2012 6:58pm
tmurray said...
So when Tony tabled a pensioner power report yestertoday saying that her bill had gone up 70% because of the carbon tax, when in fact her power use had doubled - was he lying or just incompetent.
When he claimed that BHP was closing mines due to the carbon tax, when a statement released that day clearly stated they had not - was he lying, or just incompetent.
When he 'forgot' what Tony Alan Jones had said to cause a 2 week media furore - was he lying, or just completely out of touch.

Nb - he's a Rhodes Scholar - I doubt he's incompetent.


That's better... leave the poor ol' silver fox out of this one... Sure, he loves a good media furore... but I am not sure about causing one!
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11 Oct 2012 10:54pm
hhhmm so the government thought that if they bided their time Abbott would eventually implode at some stage in the cycle of this parliament ..Seems this is the issue that has tipped the balance and now they're going for the jugular no matter what .Windsor and Oakshot had the forsight when they made their fateful decision it seems . The latest Chaser boys offering was interesting too . Can anyone find a vid or photo of the coalition of conservatives frontbench/backbench collctively facepalming when the mad monk uttered the 'shame' speech in paliament yesterday?
tmurray
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11 Oct 2012 10:28pm
Mr float said...
hhhmm so the government thought that if they bided their time Abbott would eventually implode at some stage in the cycle of this parliament ..Seems this is the issue that has tipped the balance and now they're going for the jugular no matter what .Windsor and Oakshot had the forsight when they made their fateful decision it seems . The latest Chaser boys offering was interesting too . Can anyone find a vid or photo of the coalition of conservatives frontbench/backbench collctively facepalming when the mad monk uttered the 'shame' speech in paliament yesterday?


I think they're a bit silly doing this - keeping Tony on is their only hope of winning the next election. And if they lose to Tony Abbott he will be Australias most hated prime minister ever and labor will win the election after in a landslide.
If they manage to get him replaced by Malcolm Turnbull they will face an absolute disaster.
The Chaser will certainly be fun next week!
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