Next time get a pic of it... I'm sure he will let you if he is that brazen. Blow up the pic and let the class pin the tail on the donkey or display it via the data projector and let the whole class have a look as well.
Embarrass the hell out of him

Capsicum spray anything you don't like the look of.

pierrec45 said...

Parents.
I know it's not their fault (when young), but if they don't start paying the price young, when will they ??

I smile that in the "real world" I would have handled this totally differently and I'm certain everyone else around me would have too.

Mark _australia said...

Disgusting. Suspension is no punishment to kids who often don't want to be at school, and a principal who takes the kid's word over yours should be shot (especially when he has obviously been in trouble before)

Liz, teachers like you having a gutful of it are the only ones that will be able to change this mess ...so tell anyone who will listen

I know Mark, I want punishment; something that says to him you cannot do that to people. An apology. Written. In front of the class. Something that would make him pay for being so rude.
I hope to tell a lot because this just isn't acceptable! This is where schools start to go wrong!

LOL @ Getfunky - Wish I could!

getfunky said...

Capsicum spray anything you don't like the look of.

Spray right on his exposed chocky freckle including his Mills and Wares, would have him some explaining to do with the law and his parents as the nether region doesnt like such exposure. [}:)]You would be off free as a breeze as you can claim " I felt threatened by his behaviour".
I would have him reported anyway, if nothing else, he gets logged in the system and builds a profile that he will have trouble with if he keeps up this mode of action.

mineral1 said...

getfunky said...

Capsicum spray anything you don't like the look of.

I would have him reported anyway, if nothing else, he gets logged in the system and builds a profile that he will have trouble with if he keeps up this mode of action.

You cannot imagine how DIFFICULT it is to be expelled as a student. They can do everything and anything and just get suspended... You get 20 days suspension for smoking weed in uniform or just watching someone do it!!!!! What punishment is that? A free holiday for 4 weeks and they are meant to do the work we sent home but never do - Seriously there is something wrong with the world!

Can only get worse me thinks.

Simply put: Undisciplined child of the 60's has 2 or 3 undisciplined kids of his/her own in the 80's.

2 of the 3 offspring don't "see the light" and become adults with little respect and discipline. They then have 2 or 3 kids that they pass their attitudes on to and so it progresses through time.

The world is going to be over-run by people who have had little or no "education" in respect for others......

I'm exaggerating but you know what I mean hopefully. And hopefully I'm wrong

Gizmo said...

Next time get a pic of it... I'm sure he will let you if he is that brazen. Blow up the pic and let the class pin the tail on the donkey or display it via the data projector and let the whole class have a look as well.
Embarrass the hell out of him

If he is a minor, DO not take a photo, lest you want the sh1t to really hit the fan.

you can

Recommend he has that spot on his bum looked at

Ask if he's waiting like that for that "special" someone?

Start lodging formal reports rather than verbal ones and cc them to the Education dept

there used to be something called control in school
it was also called the cane
you could get
1 ,2,3 4, or 6
6 on each hand
or 6 each hand and 6 across your rear
and more ...

I disagree that it was that way in the past, all those excuses.
There were bad kids and bad behaviours in the past I'm sure, but the system had means to deal with them - expulsions, smack on the head, threats thereof, etc.

Not anymore. Notwithstanding the fact that some parents have given up disciplining kids - they just want "to be loved" right? Let them play video games all day...

When me mongrels were in kindergarten, some Walmart-looking cow complained that there were more children than chairs... at musical chairs, and that her kid had lost out. Sure enough the next day it was 10 kids and 11 chairs - you don't want to be sued, right? (Not a joke folks)

A teacher friend was telling me how she informed the parents of a kid that'd behaved badly. The father goes an inch from her face and threatened her with being sued and that she'd regret it for many years if she applied any discipline to his son - and all that in front of the brat.

And so on. That's the new society.

PS: and how's married life treating you, Elizabeth ?

poor relative said...

Get a job in another school that requires the parents to pay money to have their child educated.
At least then there are some sort of standards and the teachers are a bit more united (my experience anyway)

That's my plan when I'm older and don't want to have to focus as much on behaviour and just teach.

I believe if I do the hard yards now it may at least make some difference on the 150 students a year I teach.... Over 10 or 20 years that's a lot of students I have hopefully made more respectful, mathematically smarter and caring people.

At least I can hope...

pierrec45 said...


PS: and how's married life treating you, Elizabeth ?

Couldn't be better Pierrec! This one incident (plus my departments issues) is my only complaint (as large as it is I know).

elizabethb said...

Gwendy said...

There are great kids, horrible kids and everything in between. Dont take this the wrong way, but if this upsets you so much that your bringing it home from work and you are generalising children as you are, you may be in the wrong profession.

I undertand your persepective Gwendy, but I've known since I was 12 I wanted to be a teacher; my job means bringing work home and students lives into my own life! I end up knowing more and giving more mentoring and advice than some parents give them and I'm 24- It says a lot.

The majority are great; it's the minority who I end up fighting to educate and WANTING to teach them because other teachers the year before have kicked them out every lesson. I AM the one asking for the same "bad and naughty" kids next year because this year I've made a difference and as much as they hate how much I contact all parents about HW, assignments and keep them in at lunch to makesure they understand it, they have begun to appreciate that I care.

It's the lack of appropriate punishment that erks me so much.

I curtainly admire your dedication. It would be sad if you burnt out at your age when you have so much to offer.

The point I try to make is that after 50,000 odd years of human existance It can't be true that our offspring are suddenly unmanageable in the last twenty years and the world is going to end.

I went to school in western sydney during the 60's and the crap that went on then was ten times worse than anything I'm witnessing now. You got mooned and thats offensive, at least he didn't vandalise your car and wait for you on a dark street corner. That used to happen. It just didn't end up on youtube and got hushed up. Sure, you got caught misbehaving you copped a beating, The cane was the preffered dispenser of justice in my school, and I got 6 cuts of it more that once. The truth is that in all the violence I have seen dished up to children in the name of dicipline, Not once has it changed the childs behavior.

All it does is teach the child that violence is an acceptible way of dealing with issues.I have children and sometimes my first instinct is to smack them when they're naughty. Thats how I was brought up. Thank god my wife is too intelligent for that and conviced me of the folly. There are better ways to punish.

Oh, and I'm not suggesting elizabeth that you would condone physical forms of punishment. We have been dealing with schools now as parents for 10 years and have heard some very good teachers say exactly what you are, We know how much they appreciate dicipline at home.

Stay with it Liz.

Teaching is a very honourable, sometimes difficult, but very satisfying profession. It is something that I don't have the ability to do.

Been married to an exceptional teacher for 34 yrs.

( & I still wear your gath )
cheers

Protocols of the elders of zion

Dismiss it laugh it off as conspiracy

But the west is very quickly becoming a product of it

Our youth is the perfect litmus example

It is little maggots like this that can f..k your career.
You need to be pro-active.
Document the circumstances of your grievence and send it in letter form to the principle, accepting his terms of punishment and that you consider the matter closed.
The maggot may do it again...and again. But as his confidence grows, he will f..k up and allow friends to take a photo, facebook, and/or twitter, or other evidence will appear.
But you document it all the way by way of letters.
As soon as the photo appears so will your letters to the principal.
No dirt on you. Mud covered principle and just deserts for the little f..k!