Following that line and seeking some justice through union based means ultimately means that you will most likely need to change schools, as they will endeavour to evict you once settled.
The question is this , are your convictions strong enough to warrant you actioning the offence via the union?, as if you are, then resigning your position will probably follow eventually.I would think.
Thats the harsh reality usually in these cases.

Liz never have another meeting without a witness and think about a voice recorder

firiebob said...

Liz never have another meeting without a witness and think about a voice recorder

I thought of that last night and have one now. [}:)]

Flux - Changing schools doesn't bother me; imho it cannot get much worse... I'm already permanent so compassionate transfer due to management is an option.

elizabethb said...

firiebob said...

Liz never have another meeting without a witness and think about a voice recorder

I thought of that last night and have one now. [}:)]

Flux - Changing schools doesn't bother me; imho it cannot get much worse... I'm already permanent so compassionate transfer due to management is an option.

Voice recordings etc..... if this isn't an example of a rotten system what is.... teachers shouldn't need to be in a paranoid litigious (spelling soz) situation constantly on the borders of legal disputes just to teach rotten kids birthed by rotten parents....

How much worse can society get? I think this is the microcosmal example of society as a whole.....

Ms B you have evry right to contact your union and discuss unsuitable treatment etc.

Take a representative or another staff member with you to the next meeting.

DO NOT record anything without informing theparticipants you will do so. Even if only for your own records it is illegal to record people without their knowledge (if not in a public space - and an office is not a public space).

If they find out you have recorded anything - even if no-one has even heard it - they have you 100% on toast.

Also - might be wise to go quiet on SB. With the way the dopey principal etc are handling this they may be able to slap you for public airing of the problem (even though you have been wise not to mention twit student's name or school).

Tread carefully but carry a BIG stick. Next time the say you cannot contact your union make damn sure it is witnessed.

Good luck.

Elizabeth, my heart goes out to you. My daughters best friend and housemate has been teaching for four years in the government system and the dreams she built lie shattered.

She went to the same private school as my daughter, budget catholic with lay teachers, and really had no idea what the mosh pit was like.

Sounds like you may have upset the hierarchy in which case you might have to find some mates and start up your own school where education is the priority and you are not bound by regulations that are absurd. It is not such a dumb idea really. If you limited your class sizes to ten and charged $10k a year you would be able to rent pemises and collect a decent wage. There are penty of small schools shut down in NSW and more than enough dissillusioned parents.

The government system is by and large an absolute mess. This can only have been achieved deliberately. As the Doctor says, the protocols of Zion make very interesting reading.

I cannot help comparing todays system to the one I went through in South Africa. I went to Queens College, Tony Grieg, in primary school. Caning was administered but not abused and it kept the wildest manageable. School started at 7.20 am and went through to 1.30, hour for lunch then compulsory sport until 4.30 run by teachers who were also rostered on on saturdays to referee or umpire.

I then went to Kingswood College which is quite up market. We had prefect supervised early morning prep 6.30 to 7.15, breakfast, chapel 8-8.15, Classes through till 3.20, compulsory sport till 5 with Wednesday arvo off, then supervised prep from 6.15 until 9.30.

To cap it all we had four periods on a Saturday morning in winter and three in summer.

And if you try and tell the young folks that today they won; believe you but the point I am making is that teachers did pretty big hours.

I know that if I had my time over I would home school my kids. Look at what it achieved for Jessica Watson.

So Miss Elizabeth,

is it "behaviour of kids today", or "kids' behaviour today", or "today's kids' behaviour" ?

Just askin' (and trying to inveigle you away from a depressing topic :( )

Consequences:

- 9 lessons in the "office"
- Change of class finally today! Exactly two weeks later.


No formal acknowledgement of the behaviour or apology etc.

Although, I've now received confirmation to begin my Masters next year! [}:)] A random tangent and possible way out in the future...

... but fingers crossed it all works out for you.

bakesy said...

are you an English teacher Elizabeth? If so we have a job going at Mandurah Catholic College (check website for details), great school, awesome part of the world and strong leadership.

Thanks Bakesy - Maths and I'm in Qld. Unfortunately total opposites lol. Sounds like a dream!

The situation is it is impossible to expel a student from a public school on the basis of breaches of discipline. It is the right of every child to attend school in Australia. However the responsibility to learn at school is ignored by some children.


Students can publish a hit list of teachers and students they plan to kill and they still has the right to attend the school where they plan to kill. A principal can expel a student on the basis of acts of intimidation and threats against teachers and the education bureaucracy will overturn that decision and let the student back into the school.

The kid who is the subject of this thread should have been asked why he should stay in school. If he couldn't give a decent answer then ask him to leave.

Good luck with the masters. Plenty of material in a rough school to write a thesis or two.

BlueStorm said...

Gizmo said...

Next time get a pic of it... I'm sure he will let you if he is that brazen. Blow up the pic and let the class pin the tail on the donkey or display it via the data projector and let the whole class have a look as well.
Embarrass the hell out of him

nah man don't take a pic, knowing trailer trash parents these days they'll probs sue or some bs like that. Also risk of child porn.

I'm 17 and have just graduated from school and i honestly believe this whole "no bullying" thing has destroyed my generation. I agree that there should not be any of that life threatening fully getting bashed up torturing kids 24/7 type of bullying. However because, and i remember even in primary school, there is so f*****g character building kids become arrogant, obnoxious little ****s. THEY KNOW they can get away with anything they want because no one can touch them, it is ridiculous. Normally even a decade before my time if you were a brat or didn't show respect, i can imagine someone most likely a fellow student would beat the **** out of you and teach you a lesson. Not anymore. Now a kid can be a little **** and just be told to "behave better" but have no serious reprocussions handed to them. This may be a really niave opinion from me, given that i have never experienced it, but i feel that the cane or some just physical punishment should be used in moderation. None of this "no bullying" crap thats just letting kids get away with anything

fair point to consider

What about the kid that mooned the queen, little ****, yes, funny, yes yes!
Theres a line between harmless fun and 'hanging out with the wrong crowd.'
Maybe you should lighten up?

laceys lane said...

BlueStorm said...

Gizmo said...

Next time get a pic of it... I'm sure he will let you if he is that brazen. Blow up the pic and let the class pin the tail on the donkey or display it via the data projector and let the whole class have a look as well.
Embarrass the hell out of him

nah man don't take a pic, knowing trailer trash parents these days they'll probs sue or some bs like that. Also risk of child porn.

I'm 17 and have just graduated from school and i honestly believe this whole "no bullying" thing has destroyed my generation. I agree that there should not be any of that life threatening fully getting bashed up torturing kids 24/7 type of bullying. However because, and i remember even in primary school, there is so f*****g character building kids become arrogant, obnoxious little ****s. THEY KNOW they can get away with anything they want because no one can touch them, it is ridiculous. Normally even a decade before my time if you were a brat or didn't show respect, i can imagine someone most likely a fellow student would beat the **** out of you and teach you a lesson. Not anymore. Now a kid can be a little **** and just be told to "behave better" but have no serious reprocussions handed to them. This may be a really niave opinion from me, given that i have never experienced it, but i feel that the cane or some just physical punishment should be used in moderation. None of this "no bullying" crap thats just letting kids get away with anything

fair point to consider

One day when you have kids, you might reconsider the 'non' bullying thing.
Violence teaches violence, not discipline.

Spocktek said...

What about the kid that mooned the queen, little ****, yes, funny, yes yes!
Theres a line between harmless fun and 'hanging out with the wrong crowd.'
Maybe you should lighten up?

He was CHARGED with being a public nusance and indecent exposure and is due to appear in Brisbane Magistrates Court on Friday.

!!!! Too bad I'm not the Queen hey....

www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-24/cheeky-stunt/3598220