Gillard's New $40,000,000 Hole.

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Sailhack
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3 Aug 2010 9:26am
^^^ Mel Gibson! [}:)]
evlPanda
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3 Aug 2010 10:20am
Pugwash said...

200 000 x 2 000 = 400 000 000


Took a while for someone to notice it was 10x more.





japie
japie
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3 Aug 2010 1:21pm
It is a free market when things are going good.

When it turns to **** the government borrows some money to give to us to kick things off, puts the country into debt and pays it back through taxes at a high rate of interest.

Shame it does not work the other way around as well. Big business should be only to happy to give us a share of the mining boom profits.

The whole system is a rort and the average citizen is not on the receiving end of the goodies, we just underpin it with labour and taxes.

There is no intention of ever paying it off because it is not possible and everyone who knows anything about it knows that. All the dabate is just noise.
Cassa
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3 Aug 2010 6:16pm
Sailhack said...

^^^ Mel Gibson! [}:)]


I'm still on the floor,

Carantoc
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3 Aug 2010 9:20pm
japie said...

Big business should be only to happy to give us a share of the mining boom profits.



They may not be happy about it but they do don't they ?

They pay 30% of their profits as company tax. (plus payroll tax, GST, FBT, royaltise, rates and various other 'taxes').

As it is generally a percentage don't they pay more when they make more ? and isn't it the Government's job to assist in establishing conditions in which business flourishes, hence pays more tax ? Can't just blame big business.

And, as a big generalisation, big business would claim to run at an overhead cost on direct operations of around 25 to 30%.

Government runs at an 'overhead' of around 45%. Maybe they need to cut their wasteful ways and manage their business better before they go shouting at other people too loudly.

In 1820 the British Raj had around 2,000 people governing a population of 200 million in India. They may have had slightly differnt methods, but if you follow the numbers through then by 2056 there will be more people employed in governing this country that actually reside here.
japie
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4 Aug 2010 1:14am
While ever our governments can be swayed by economics and decisions made by people are based on profit we will be having this debate. I just think that there is something so inherently wrong with segregation through wealth and whilst ever it occurs we can expect to live in a corrupt society.

As far as the mining companies go, so what if they have to pay through the nose. They are removing a countries resource and selling it at a profit which will be distributed among the few. That resource can never be replaced and is in effect the birthright of everyone who is a citizen of this country so it is only right that we should expect a large proportion of it to be plowed back into infrastructure.

Governments are not there to change things, they are there to keep them the same. Only the level of economic interference differs and mostly not at all. They are all corrupt with the exception of the very few.

Bonominator
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10 Aug 2010 8:17am
There are a few ridiculously insecure blokes posting on this topic. A little more respect for women and our effing Prime Minister would do you credit. Complain about policy, but don't rat f@#$ 51% of the population and the highest office at the same time. Pathetic.
king of the point
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10 Aug 2010 6:42am
So if i work at a good or bad school and or im a good or bad school teacher I SHOULD BE EXPECTED to have a pay increases and lets remember what ..... pay taken from them (sure) ......whats say you remind teacher voters of that ..................

Righto Miss Gillard ...........as if you can do this efficiently, effectively

Teachers get slabs of holidays and you get payed well and sorry Miss Gillard, they get payed to do a job ,good bad or indifferent ,just like everyone else.

Bonominator
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10 Aug 2010 9:14am
king of the point said...

So if i work at a good or bad school and or im a good or bad school teacher I SHOULD BE EXPECTED to have a pay increases and lets remember what ..... pay taken from them (sure) ......whats say you remind teacher voters of that ..................

Righto Miss Gillard ...........as if you can do this efficiently, effectively

Teachers get slabs of holidays and you get payed well and sorry Miss Gillard, they get payed to do a job ,good bad or indifferent ,just like everyone else.




I kind of see your point, but there are plenty of jobs, mostly professional, where people get bonuses. Why shouldn't teachers get bonuses too? Maybe pay isn't the best kind of bonus. I reckon teachers should just be paid more like they do in some European countries, but that's another can of worms.

j murray
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10 Aug 2010 10:54am

the wheel has turned ....full circle

WE...The Serfs have everything surrendered to the Emperor

The Emperor and their entourage do all the spending and living ,

so work harder all you slaves. The Emperor wants to boogie! [}:)]
Singo Cam
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10 Aug 2010 6:54pm
is that 40 000 000 hole anything like the 7 billion dollar difference in spending Hocky and Abbott cant seem to agree to. Costelo hit the proverbial nail on the head when he said Abbott has no idea on money spenditure
japie
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10 Aug 2010 9:24pm

A farmer named Sid was overseeing his stock in a remote moorland
pasture in North Yorkshire when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced
toward him out of a cloud of dust.

The driver, a young man in a Brioni suit, Gucci shoes, RayBan
sunglasses and YSL tie, leaned out the window and asked the cowboy, "If
I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you have in your herd, Will
you give me a calf?"

Sid looks at the man, obviously a yuppie, then looks at his peacefully
grazing stock and calmly answers, "Sure, Why not?"

The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell notebook computer,
connects it to his Cingular RAZR V3 cell phone, and surfs to a NASApage
on the Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite to get an exact fix
on his location which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that
scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo.

The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop and
exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg , Germany .

Within seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot that the image
has been processed and the data stored. He then accesses an MS-SQL
database through an ODBC connected Excel spreadsheet with email on his
Blackberry and, after a few minutes, receives a response.

Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi-tech,
miniaturized HP LaserJet printer, turns to the cowboy and says, "You
have exactly 1,586 cows and calves."

"That's right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves," says Sid.

He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on with
amusement as the young man stuffs it into the back of his car.

Then Sid says to the young man, "Hey, if I can tell you exactly what
your business is, will you give me back my calf?"

The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, "Okay, why
not?"

"You're a Member of Parliament for our Government", says Sid.

"Wow! That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?"

"No guessing required." answered the farmer. "You showed up here even
though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already
knew, to a question I never asked. You used millions of pounds worth of
equipment trying to show me how much smarter than me you are; and you
don't know a thing about how working people make a living - or about
cows, for that matter. This is a herd of sheep. ...


Now give me back my dog
Pugwash
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10 Aug 2010 8:43pm
nick0 said...

...gos for 20mins on how smark monkeys are and how dumb humans are . real interesting ..


rofl...

BTW, I left the other typo alone... AND, I am not a punctuation Nazi
gazza
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10 Aug 2010 9:54pm
king of the point said...

So if i work at a good or bad school and or im a good or bad school teacher I SHOULD BE EXPECTED to have a pay increases and lets remember what ..... pay taken from them (sure) ......whats say you remind teacher voters of that ..................

Righto Miss Gillard ...........as if you can do this efficiently, effectively

Teachers get slabs of holidays and you get payed well and sorry Miss Gillard, they get payed to do a job ,good bad or indifferent ,just like everyone else.




I used to think the same till my wife became a teacher 1 1/2 years ago.
Now i see the truth

For us it was 4 years without her income whilst she was at uni.
She now has a hec debt of $24,000

She starts at school at 8 am and leaves at 5pm.then spends another 2 hrs a night marking and planning the next days lessons.She also spends at least 1/2 a day on the weekend getting organised for the following week.

last year she spent at least $3000 of her wage on resource's for her classroom as the school doesn't have the funds.

As she cant work country due to my work she is not guaranteed a job.
Every year she has to look and apply for a new job with no guarantee of placement or fulltime work.

And all this for $50,000 a year. yeah killing it

I couldn't image looking after 30 kids all day most people complain when they only have 2.

Sure the holidays are good but she sure needs them when they come around

She loves her job dosent complain about her wage or hours just the lack of funding for the classrooms.

She works for the gov after all surly she shouldnt have to supply her own tools.Do the council workers buy there own shovels and brooms to lean on i think not.

What im trying to say is not everything is always as it may seem.

Sure there is some Sh1t house teachers out there and they should be sacked but lets not lose the many good one out there.

As i said the holidays are good but as you know the government never give you anything for free.
nick0
nick0
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11 Aug 2010 7:25pm
Pugwash said...

nick0 said...

...gos for 20mins on how smark monkeys are and how dumb humans are . real interesting ..


rofl...

BTW, I left the other typo alone... AND, I am not a punctuation Nazi


what . k and t are right next to each other lol ..
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