Morbid and Melancholy

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j murray
j murray
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10 May 2011 12:31am

Depression for me meant after a few years wondering what the ....

was happening. Change came when" I ME Self " aligned the problem

and started walking , first cross country , then a small cart with swag and

food, now I have an addiction to LANDYACHTS but I am alive and

enjoying it all and have reached 65 Take responsibility for yourself and

put yourself no1 to survive. You gotta love/respect yourself, Best of luck!
pweedas
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9 May 2011 11:47pm
Little Jon said...

dinsdale said...

On a different tack altogether. For all of us there is this life, and then there is "for ever after". Yes, we do like to argue about what "for ever after" holds for us, but even if annihilation is your thingy, it's for ever. If re-incarnation is your thingy, it's for ever, and so on. Now, taking a little mathematical "licence" here, any number (age in years) over "for ever" (infinity) is 0 (zero). That is to say that your measly 3 score and 10, or there-abouts here on Earth counts for absolutely naught when compared to "for ever after".

Why not take this challenge: Find out what's really gonna be for the "for ever after" part of your life, coz it's going to be for an awful long time. All the more awful if you get it wrong. You never can tell, all you your present woes might just pale into complete insignificance.


I remember Packer said he had been to the other side and there was nothing there


Maybe for him there wasn't.
Jack Mack
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10 May 2011 8:45am
"For every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness"
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Bento
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10 May 2011 12:57pm
simplify your life
give more
expect less
worry less
and have fun!

Cassa
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10 May 2011 6:49pm
Bento said...

simplify your life
give more
expect less
worry less
and have fun!




+1
dinsdale
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10 May 2011 7:11pm
Bento said...

simplify your life
give more
expect less
worry less
and have fun!



+ another 1
Gizmo
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10 May 2011 8:43pm
Jack Mack said...

"For every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness"
Ralph Waldo Emerson


How do you get those hours back?
Jack Mack
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11 May 2011 10:55am
Gizmo said...

Jack Mack said...

"For every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness"
Ralph Waldo Emerson


How do you get those hours back?

One smile at a time I suppose.
FlickySpinny
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11 May 2011 9:41am
Bento said...

simplify your life
give more
expect less
worry less
and have fun!




+ Yet another one

I know when something in my life isn't right when I start considering buying something unnecessary (big TV, bigger car, etc). It generally means that I'm trying to make up for something or trying to prove something. I'm pretty safe in the knowledge that when I do buy it, I'll be happy for all of five minutes.

I've learned this pattern in myself well enough now that the moment I start seriously looking for some luxury item (I don't consider windsurf kit / dive gear / mountain bikes luxury items - I've very lucky in that respect) it means I've got to do something instead of actually going through with the purchase.

The things you own end up owning you.

[EDIT] - I'm in this phase right now, so I'm selling a bunch of stuff and moving to Perth. The adventure continues.
Gwendy
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11 May 2011 6:43pm
oliver said...

I don't think I'm depressed, not yet anyway.

I think the word melancholy describes my state of mind much better. I'm neither here nor there anymore.

What about Morbid and Melancholy as a new title for this thread?


Maybe you need a change of perspective. Can I suggest you spend some time in a old folks nursing home, perhaps after seeing how the people there are coping you may feel better about your own situation.

My poor old mum can bearly move now and occasionaly is admitted to a nursing home for respite (absolutely marvelous home care available these days) Anyhow, when I visit her there it is a sobering experience.
There would seem to be 2 kinds of elderly, those that have healthy minds and feeble bodies. They are quite literally prisoners in those bodies with only one possibility of release. the other type are the ones with reasonable bodies but their minds are gone. They fair slightly better because they don't even realise they're their or whats going on.
What I'm trying to say is, If your feeling sad, work hard on putting yourself in an environment that makes you happy. For me, and I suspect most people on these forums being on the ocean is uplifting. I'm at the point now where I work at sea and come home and try to get to the beach. Next summer I intend to be at the beach with a sailboard, kiteboard,SUP, 8.5 foot mal , 6.2 shortbooard and a 13 foot tinny with a ski rope. Should be setup for any weather. It has however taken some effort to get into this position.
Prawnhead
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14 May 2011 10:02am
oliver said...

I don't think I'm depressed, not yet anyway.

I think the word melancholy describes my state of mind much better. I'm neither here nor there anymore.

What about Morbid and Melancholy as a new title for this thread?


catch 22 isn't a bad read if you're in that frame of mind, nothing like a little black humour

"What is a country? A country is a piece of land surrounded on all sides by boundaries, usually unnatural. Englishmen are dying for England, Americans are dying for America, Germans are dying for Germany, Russians are dying for Russia. There are now fifty or sixty countries fighting in this war. Surely so many countries can't all be worth dying for."

"Anything worth living for," said Nately, "is worth dying for."

"And everything worth dying for," answered the sacrilegious old man, "is certainly worth living for."
oliver
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14 May 2011 9:53pm
I was thinking maybe I should buy a work van and deck it out myself.

The smell of paint / silicone would have to be better and easier to kill than that smell of mothballs and lavander.

Oh and Prawnhead: I'll have to read it again - what a great book that was, so long since I read it.
ockanui
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15 May 2011 10:17am
I'm as mad as hell I can't take it any more, .... I'm always wanting/ needing more more, more there has to be more to it, I sold up a few years ago gave up work for a year or so, argued with the family about not being "normal like other dads working" went about dropping out, doing other stuff, pursued surfing and creating art, now its all good, I have a little more balance, but I still need more.... balance/ contol.
japie
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15 May 2011 11:51am
I reckon I have to be one of the worlds experts on self analaysis and depression.

Back in 1966 I was sexually abused at a Catholic boarding school in Tanzania. This was a blow that shaped my whole life. I won't bore with the details, suffice to say that suicide was constantly on my mind.

Then back in 2009 I decided to take action. In 2004 one of the ex students started up a Yahoo group. It had been going two years when I joined it and as the membership grew so did the accusations of paedophilia. I took it on myself to represent the complainants and the action culminated in a flight to the UK in February last year to confront my abusers.

The meeting lasted two days. At one point I did get a little brusque but the scenarios I had envisaged were stangely different. I met with the man who covered up the crime, the guy I placed all of the blame on. He has since died but at that point was in a nursing home, and without putting too fine a point on it, he was a ****ed unit.

It had the effect of lifting a huge cloud from my life, to see this ogre who had influenced my existence for 45 years reduced to a breathing corpse. I was in no way thankful that this was the case, just a realisation that karma is not just a concept.

Shortly after getting back from England, still bugged by depression I underwent a massive spiritual awakening. No miracles or anything. I had been watching some stuff posted by guys on this site which really made me think and I went to bed one night realising that I would never be depressed again. It was such a huge thing because of the past 45 years of suicidal thinking.

A year later I am still in awe of my changed circumstances. There is a very different person residing in my head to the one that was there a year ago.

So perk up Oliver. The world is a fascinating place to be in. Just cut away the crap, take off your shoes and feel the sand beneath your feet. And smile, that is very important
ockanui
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15 May 2011 3:08pm
....and having a tumor removed from my head a couple of years ago helped expedite the re assessment process and make me realize its me as an individual..
dinsdale
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15 May 2011 4:57pm
japie said...
Shortly after getting back from England, still bugged by depression I underwent a massive spiritual awakening. No miracles or anything. I had been watching some stuff posted by guys on this site which really made me think and I went to bed one night realising that I would never be depressed again. It was such a huge thing because of the past 45 years of suicidal thinking.

A year later I am still in awe of my changed circumstances. There is a very different person residing in my head to the one that was there a year ago.

I'm on the edge of my seat. So tell us about it. What happened that changed your life so much and so +vely? I'm interested.

Prawnhead
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15 May 2011 7:08pm
dinsdale said...

japie said...
Shortly after getting back from England, still bugged by depression I underwent a massive spiritual awakening. No miracles or anything. I had been watching some stuff posted by guys on this site which really made me think and I went to bed one night realising that I would never be depressed again. It was such a huge thing because of the past 45 years of suicidal thinking.

A year later I am still in awe of my changed circumstances. There is a very different person residing in my head to the one that was there a year ago.

I'm on the edge of my seat. So tell us about it. What happened that changed your life so much and so +vely? I'm interested.




anyone who drives a landrover is an optimist
japie
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15 May 2011 7:37pm
I learned to drive a in a landrover when working for De Beers in the Kalahari. I knew nothing about mechanics whatsoever. The roads are all sand there and have a middelmannetje, grass growth, in the center. Everyone other than De Beers drove ford 250s or chevrolettes with a wider wheel base so the tracks were just too wide for a landy.

One wheel in the rut and the radiator sucking in shaved grass the bastards never stopped over heating. I used to drvive up to the nearest artesian tank and bucket water over the engine to cool it down. Indestructable, slow pigs that will go anywhere.

The one in my avatar, the anti christ, is fortunately no longer!
japie
japie
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15 May 2011 8:07pm
dinsdale said...

japie said...
Shortly after getting back from England, still bugged by depression I underwent a massive spiritual awakening. No miracles or anything. I had been watching some stuff posted by guys on this site which really made me think and I went to bed one night realising that I would never be depressed again. It was such a huge thing because of the past 45 years of suicidal thinking.

A year later I am still in awe of my changed circumstances. There is a very different person residing in my head to the one that was there a year ago.

I'm on the edge of my seat. So tell us about it. What happened that changed your life so much and so +vely? I'm interested.



I reckon that it was just a large collection of smaller events. When I was coordinating the group I spent countless hours on skype and in writing and reading emails. We had a couple of legal eagles on the team and everything was done very professionally but in complete secrecy.

The whole process intoduced me to the internet in a big way. I was reading massive reports about the child abuse in Ireland etc. but it led to so many diffferent paths. I was only working Sunday afternoons and Tuesday afternoons.

I made a life long friend out of the guy who helped me the most. He loves a Guiness and lives in Forida. He is an avid poetry man and introduced me to Thich Knat Han. I know very little about Budhism but some of his writing makes absolute sense.

So whilst I was going through the whole process I was exposed to a huge variety of concepts. The Zeitgeist movie had a huge impact on me.Whilst not Catholic four years at a Catholic boarding school is pretty intense exposure, in latin. Then there was South Africa and six years at a methodist school. Enough to sow the seeds of doubt and insecurity.

I now have no doubt in my mind that organised religion is nothing but a construct aimed at keeping the proles in check, suffer my little children and then you can come and sit on a cloud.

It is a construct that shields us from our true potential spirituality.

Anyhow when I confronted the bastards face to face the dreams of smashing them had long evolved into something more constructive, but their personal circumstances and the realisation that they were frail and much damaged personalities and the fact that I was much better than they, sort of put them in perspective.

One thing I learned is that if you forgive someone what you do in actual fact is not a favour to him but rather a service to yourself. Because what you do when you forgive is you cease renting out space in your head!

The BBC got hold of the story a while back and sent an interviewer over to Stocko. It is supposed to be on Panorama sometime this month but I am really over the whole thing.

Quite a few of the guys are still very angry but none of them took up the offer to confront them. I think that that was what did it for me

SomeOtherGuy
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15 May 2011 10:46pm
Good man, japie. It must be a hard story to tell and it's a credit to you that you can do it without any bitterness.
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