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windwarning
windwarning
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13 Jan 2009 7:54pm
we should protect the sharks they say, more like protect us. oh the shark thought you were a seal they say thats why he bit you. sure and thats why the cow next door to me thought i was some grass.
japester
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14 Jan 2009 3:13am
SammyJ said...
I much prefer to use the robber over the fence one. You know, gets mauled by a pit bull or rotwheller for example. Owner has to get the dog put down, even though the robber was in the dogs yard breaking the law.


You imply that the intruder was in the wrong, and the dog that was protecting its yard from said intruder suffers an untimely death.
Going by that logic, you would support shooting the person that got bitten then?

So, when will we see you on the waves next?


The big problem here, is that you are fear mongering. That is the action of a sheep. Face your fear. Become a goat. You are more likely to die from cancer/car/racism than by being eaten by a shark.

Life can be dangerous. The water is the shark's natural habitat. We're just food to them and cheap food at that (not enough fat, like seals).
Gusman74
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14 Jan 2009 11:15am
More people drown than are taken by sharks maybe it should be compulsory to wear arm bands when in the water.
The Grinch
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14 Jan 2009 11:00am

Once, in China (Making this up a bit!!)... they believed that the sparrows were responsible for eating all the newly planted rice seed.
Anyhoo, the government gave a reward for each bird that was caught.
People ran round killing birds like nutters and put them on strings and got their rewards.
All was good, until the next year when there was a plague of flies and no tweetie pies to eat them. And the flies decimated the paddy fields.

There is probably a proverb to go with this, something about an itchy bum.
japie
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14 Jan 2009 1:14pm
Sammy J

My favorite piece of advice that I have long cherished goes like this:

If you argue with an idiot you then have two idiots.

Adios compadre!
evlPanda
evlPanda
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14 Jan 2009 1:41pm
Hmmm. From yesterday:



http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24910597-421,00.html

I kinda like them there though. Adds some excitement, in touch with nature type stuff.
stanhalen
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14 Jan 2009 3:42pm

Can't believe the crap about sharks, coming from fellow water users, of all people.
It was unfortunate for the girl in Tasie, but it's like getting struck by lightning.
Would love to see a white pointer up close in a boat, but the fools who keep feeding em and teasing em can't be doing anything than making the sharks curious
about humans. Their teeth are their hands, that poor girl just got a touch.

Had a Great White cruise by at Phillip Island, cleared the crowded break real fast, and left a me and 2 others for an epic surf session.

Found an article on Vic Hislop, Australia's Shark Hunter, really good to see his a
broke ass, getting ripped off by art dealers, have a read.

www.theage.com.au/national/the-shark-hunter-the-artist-and-a-nice-little-earner-20060702-ge2mtz.html
Handi
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14 Jan 2009 4:59pm
Well said Japie !
SammyJ
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15 Jan 2009 1:49pm
evlPanda said...

SammyJ said...
*To set up a designated website to track sharks.The government could do commercial advertising on the site to cover some costs. It would be the most hit website in Australia I would imagine.


How will all the sharks register themselves? They don't have fingers.


Makes me feel stupid replying to these kind of questions, but here we go. The tracking device placed on the shark will have some sort identification number. which will be with that shark for the duration of the devices lifespan.

Did anyone ever follow the four sharks they tracked down around SA and Esperance waters. You could go on ocean outlook and see their path pattern, very interesting that they basically repeated the same path every trip. That sort of evidence does concern my greatly.

Other stupid questions

So, when will we see you on the waves next?


I guess your implying that because I've started a topic about sharks I'm scared....
Well it's far from that, I've just returned from a road trip where whites are least on your mind. As Tiger sharks are more prevalent in the waters we where in. I even had a kitemare 500m out on the break and had to swim in part of the way and dragged by my mate the rest without it crossing my mind.

In fact after talking with my mates old man, a fisherman of 50 years. He said that the biggest tiger he's ever seen was when they where passing through the passage off the break we kite and sail. So no, I haven't changed what I do, I'm just concerned that the same shark took Ken Crew, Brad Smith, Brian Guest and nothings been done about it.

I'm not scared off sharks, but if I get taken by one please don't scrutinise my wife when she says Sam would of wanted it destroyed, not out of revenge but to protect others from the hurt. Remember 1 person may die but 100's sometimes 1000's are affected and life's changed forever from the death of a person.

You imply that the intruder was in the wrong, and the dog that was protecting its yard from said intruder suffers an untimely death.
Going by that logic, you would support shooting the person that got bitten then?


Well that's pretty stupid logic, your picking at bits and pieces to be controversial. Yes shoot the prick, he is in the wrong for frk sake. Take out his knee cap so next time he's about to do a break and enter he can think twice about what happened last time.

Please explain why the dog, who is happily sleeping in the yard attacks some person who's intention is to cause damage and steal private property. I don't get it. This topic is about some rogue wild animal, when a dog is a pet in some cases like mine they have become an extension of our family. I have a pit bull, you come through my front door with our acceptance he is harmless and loving you jump my fence or gate I wish you good luck. My staffy is only young and learning fast.

The big problem here, is that you are fear mongering. That is the action of a sheep. Face your fear. Become a goat. You are more likely to die from cancer/car/racism than by being eaten by a shark.


^^^ WTF

Sammy J

My favorite piece of advice that I have long cherished goes like this:

If you argue with an idiot you then have two idiots.

Adios compadre!


No mate, your still the only idiot. Well there are others like Handi but your the only one writing brain dead comments like above.

So it's great news you've said Adios, we don't need to read your sh!te anymore.

Well I would love to stay and write more but I'm off for a SUP

evlPanda
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15 Jan 2009 4:09pm
SammyJ said...

evlPanda said...

SammyJ said...
*To set up a designated website to track sharks.The government could do commercial advertising on the site to cover some costs. It would be the most hit website in Australia I would imagine.


How will all the sharks register themselves? They don't have fingers.


Makes me feel stupid replying to these kind of questions, but here we go. The tracking device placed on the shark will have some sort identification number. which will be with that shark for the duration of the devices lifespan.


Who is paying for all this (although is is better than the filter)?

I have a pit bull...


This whole thread makes sense now.
SammyJ
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15 Jan 2009 2:28pm
evlPanda said...

Who is paying for all this (although is is better than the filter)?


You must be joking right, the god dam government can initially cough up some of the surplus from last years tax money for starters they can also co-ordinate it. The costs can be covered by clever marketing, get commercial companies to advertise on tracking websites etc. Imagine how many people will check the forecast then see where the sharks are for the day. Currently westpac sponsor the surf rescue chopper.

I have a pit bull...

This whole thread makes sense now.


I'm presuming you are categorising me due to the fact I own a Pit Bull.....I guess on the flip side you comments also tells us something about you and your thought process Panda.

Case of Small brain big mouth I reckon
elbeau
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15 Jan 2009 3:14pm
japie said...

Sammy J

My favorite piece of advice that I have long cherished goes like this:

If you argue with an idiot you then have two idiots.

Adios compadre!


Not going to argue with you then
evlPanda
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15 Jan 2009 5:30pm
SammyJ said...

evlPanda said...

Who is paying for all this (although is is better than the filter)?


You must be joking right, the god dam government can initially cough up some of the surplus from last years tax money for starters they can also co-ordinate it. The costs can be covered by clever marketing, get commercial companies to advertise on tracking websites etc. Imagine how many people will check the forecast then see where the sharks are for the day. Currently westpac sponsor the surf rescue chopper.


A) How are you going to tag all the sharks?
B) They are still there anyway.
c) Advertising won't pull in that much money. Ask Laurie.


I have a pit bull...

This whole thread makes sense now.


I'm presuming you are categorising me due to the fact I own a Pit Bull.....I guess on the flip side you comments also tells us something about you and your thought process Panda.

Case of Small brain big mouth I reckon


No, that's a pit bull.
Handi
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15 Jan 2009 10:10pm
If your friend Brad Smith had not been taken, do you think you would be on here sprouting all your unfounded rubbish? I very much doubt it.A very unfortunate thing to happen to him, but move on champ. No amount of tracking devices, choppers in the air, eradication, etc is going to stop an attack. I live in the SW and there has been 2 confirmed sightings in the past week, (whites). I,m pretty sure these well known breaks will still have crew hitting it every time its on, just glad to know you wont be out there....idiot.
Handi
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15 Jan 2009 10:14pm
P.S. The SUP has said it all, goes with the pit bull...
SammyJ
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16 Jan 2009 8:51pm
I'd like to make an official public apology for my stupidity in thinking I can have a view on a topic that is becoming a daily occurrence in our country.

I thought this was an open forum where you can discuss things no matter what side of the fence you happen to sit on, without being personally abused. I know, I also occasionally fell into the trap and should have known better, but hey WTF.

I'm now categorised as an idiot because I have a pit bull and ride a SUP......

Well let me tell you Handi, I look at you profile and see some pic's of grinning reaper with a poor dhue fish that use to swim and enjoyed the freedom of the ocean. Well, that's before you came along like so many others with your rape and pillage mentality removing them from the so commonly refered to "food chain". That makes you a hypocrite CHAMP.

Also Handi don't get to carried away about not having me in your line up down in the SW. I've played in those waters down there for 20 years on my windsurfer, kite, shortboard, longboard and SUP and I'm not about to stop now because of you or some pesky shark. In fact I'll keep an eye out for you next week.

Finally before I completely exit this topic and forum for a while, I would like to state that losing a friend has no influence towards my feeling on the matter. Brad was someone that I use to look up to and chat with in the surf we would catch up when drinking at the same watering hole. He was a true waterman and top bloke may he RIP.

Adios compadre!
Sailhack
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17 Jan 2009 11:21am
Chill guys, and condolences for losing a mate SJ....

Just to add to the 'original' thread topic...We've (humans) been slaughtering defenceless sharks for centuries for their meat, jaws, and even fins (throwing the live sharks back to bleed to death - finless, defenceless, and in pain). The fact is we've killed millions more of them than they have of us!

Now this brings forward the question of why their are more attacks - global warming? - over fishing? - complacency by humans in the water? To be honest, no-one knows exactly, perhaps a combination of all.

To personalise these attacks and use them as an argument to raise the ban on Great Whites would be (in the animal world) equivalent to the stupidity our great leaders did toward Bin Laden and Hussein, and you'd be opening the floodgates to all sport fishers who have been tentatively waiting for this day, so that they could jump in their 6 figure (phallic symbolic) boats and head out to the deep (and yes, this is where they would go) to try to catch/kill the biggest white they could find to receive their trophy jaws and be forever recorded in the history books.

The problem with this is that the sharks out in the deep water pose no threat to us, it's the ones that either stray, get lost, or basically follow their curiosity (as wild animals do), and find themselves in an environment with no 'natural' food source, but among swimmers/surfers etc. that provide little sustenance, but may sustain the shark's life until they can find a seal, or tuna, or whale meat. I believe they don't like how we taste, although I don't know how this is proven, but I reckon if they did like human flesh there would be many more attacks...

I don't like brussel sprouts, but I'd eat them if I was starving! A shark has no other form of finding out if we're edible or not, but based on the amount of maulings Vs actual deaths by being eaten, it shows that they can't be too keen, and if you've seen footage on a shark ripping a seal apart, you'd know that if they wanted to, there'd be no escape in most cases! (re; SJ's comment on the 2 attacks where the survivors are 'lucky', yes, maybe, or the shark was trying to work out what they were, and realised that they weren't food.)

I've seen a few Great Whites up close - they are a magnificent creature, we've had 2 rub against our boat, (my wife even touched one's fin...I was s****ing myself at the time), but within seconds we saw the shark for what it is, a curious, amazing, graceful wild creature, scary still, but in the way that anything that is master-of-its-domain, and the top of the food chain is.

Don't be fooled by their angry/vicious head, that's just their shape, they are a placid creature except when feeding (like some friends of mine!), the problem is, we associate our emotions with that head (angry/frowning), and instead of looking at it as being evolution, and mother-nature's design, instead of looking at the way they move as menacing/eerie, look at it as graceful, and aerodynamic.

In conclusion, I'm going fishing tomorrow out deep, hopefully to catch a shark and a few fish (gummy shark, snapper, morwong, or Mako if I find one, and can land it!), to bring home and share with my parents/bro/sis/grandparents, as they live inland, and enjoy fresh fish when I catch some. I'll take no more than I need, (or the laws state), and I won't be fishing with an intent on harming any of the fish, (mercifully killing the ones I keep as soon as they're landed, and put in the ice-bin) simply supplying fresh fish for my family, and enjoying a calm/windless day on the water....(although I'd prefer wind, and be windsurfing, but it's not to be).

I hope to see another Great White to enhance my trip, but I assure you, it'll be from the safety of my boat.
Cassa
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17 Jan 2009 10:12am
Well said Sammy!!!

Buy the way...


I have a pitty too!


Does that mean anything ,,no but what the hell

Handi
Handi
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20 Jan 2009 9:06pm
You Sammy J ,are off ya neck ! I only responded to your previous post refering to the other guy and myself as an idiot,get your facts straight. Your constant replies only just ask to be written off ! By the way, I do eat the fish i catch and kill them humanely with a metal spear thru the brain, then straight to ice. Nothing is wasted, unlike what would happen to the carcass of a great white if it was killed like they used to be, jaws cut out and sold for thousands,the rest more than likely going to the tip. A likely outcome if they weren,t protected.(And no, i,m not quoting you, just a comment, keep your knickers on ! ) Going a bit far keeping an eye out for me ya nutter, tis just a forum !
evlPanda
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21 Jan 2009 7:07pm
Tiger Shark:

The Grinch
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21 Jan 2009 7:13pm
Handi said...

You Sammy J ,are off ya neck ! I only responded to your previous post refering to the other guy and myself as an idiot,get your facts straight. Your constant replies only just ask to be written off ! By the way, I do eat the fish i catch and kill them humanely with a metal spear thru the brain, then straight to ice. Nothing is wasted, unlike what would happen to the carcass of a great white if it was killed like they used to be, jaws cut out and sold for thousands,the rest more than likely going to the tip. A likely outcome if they weren,t protected.(And no, i,m not quoting you, just a comment, keep your knickers on ! ) Going a bit far keeping an eye out for me ya nutter, tis just a forum !


I'll sail with you Handi, keep you safe!

SammyJ
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6 Mar 2009 11:42pm
Quote out of ninemsmn

The Department has given Nine News exclusive access to its efforts to tag sharks inside the harbour and learn where and when the sharks congregate.

Mr MacDonald told Nine News: "It could be the case that we identify hot spots where sharks might gather in larger numbers and of course we can inform the public of that. And in a summer season [we would] put out the information so people avoid those particular areas."

It takes about 20 minutes to catch, tag and release each shark.

Once a shark is reeled in using eel bait, researchers hurl it onto a plastic sling along the side of their boat, make a small incision in the shark's belly cavity and insert an electronic tag
.

At least NSW can get their arse into gear, this my critical friends is what is meant by at least being proactive.....
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