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petermac33
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2 Apr 2013 7:02am

AUDENARDE, Belgium (AFP) - Highly-rated Slovakian cyclist Peter Sagan was accused of sexism and harassment on Sunday after he was pictured pinching the bottom of a podium girl after the Tour of Flanders.

Sagan, 23, smirked towards the camera as he grabbed the bottom of a blonde hostess, one of two girls giving congratulatory kisses to race winner Fabian Cancellara.

His actions caused an out-pouring of anger on Twitter.

"Shame that Peter Sagan has so much class on a bike and so very little off it," wrote British cyclist Michael Hutchinson on Twitter.

Later, he added: "Im a little surprised that probably 50% of the Sagan-ass-grabbing-gate replies I've got have been pro Sagan. (Maybe I shouldn't be.)."

Jane Aubrey, editor of Australian website cyclingnews.com, also condemned Sagan's actions.

"Anyone excusing Sagan's behaviour due to his age, needs to think again. In the workplace, it's called harassment," she tweeted.

Sagan later took to Twitter to apologise for the incident.

"Was not my intention to disrespect women today on the podium. Just a joke, sorry if someone was disturbed about it," he wrote.


http://au.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/16481879/sagan-rapped-for-podium-bottom-pinch/



Mobydisc
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2 Apr 2013 1:15pm
A woman employed as a podium girl probably should expect that some behaviour like this as it comes with the job. Silly world we live in when people get all upset about this sort of thing. Did anyone ask the woman how she felt about ?
K Dog
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2 Apr 2013 2:09pm
Over reaction - typical media trolling to get people outraged....

Perfect opportunity for the "lets castrate men" committee to have a hate men session.....

It's an innocent pinch.... I've had a few done to me at times by women... should be I be insulted they objectified my budunkadunk? Pfff.... man up.... or woman up if the case may be....
felixdcat
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2 Apr 2013 11:41am
Yep... the podium girl can pinch my bottom........ I will not complain!
Mark _australia
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2 Apr 2013 1:39pm
Mobydisc said...
A woman employed as a podium girl probably should expect that some behaviour like this as it comes with the job. Silly world we live in when people get all upset about this sort of thing. Did anyone ask the woman how she felt about ?


Exactly. Usual crap stirred up by the social engineer loony left type feminists - they could see some publicity in it. Majority of females would agree with you Moby
TheWolf
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2 Apr 2013 4:12pm
where is the outrage that peter sagan was not asked if he would like a kiss before the girls so inapropriately sexually assulted him!!
Buster fin
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2 Apr 2013 4:16pm
TheWolf said...
where is the outrage that peter sagan was not asked if he would like a kiss before the girls so inapropriately sexually assulted him!!


Touche.
clarence
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7 Apr 2013 12:14am
In the "good old days" the podium girls would have been offended if they didn't get a pinch on the derriere once in a while.

Clarence
rod_bunny
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7 Apr 2013 9:51am
Buster fin said...
Touche.


^Isnt that what started all this?
actiomax
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7 Apr 2013 12:13pm
I read in the paper yesterday a feminist group urging women to keep up the fight as men still earn more money than women but this is a total lie . If you average out the earnings of men & women sure men earn more as there are more men working as a percentage than women but if you average out the earnings of women and men & you only use the people who are employed well then women earn more than men so its all on how you juggle your data . But the fact is men have been left behind for s very long time . How long have we been getting paid maternity leave for example.
stamp
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7 Apr 2013 12:32pm
i'm just amazed that a professional cyclist deliberately touched a woman's arse
pi22api22a
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7 Apr 2013 9:26pm
Perhaps we need to see a picture of her ass before making a descision?
gibberjoe
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8 Apr 2013 8:42am

Please Explain ? why is it an "ASS"

I think the right description should be " Arse "[}:)] bit touchy maybe !
ginger pom
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8 Apr 2013 9:37am
It is harassment because it is the podium girl's job to kiss the guy who came first. Loose job description...

"Be sexually attractive and appear available to the person who wins. Make audience jealous of winner and keen to emulate them by buying their sponsored goods. Ensure more photos appear in newspaper than ultimately quite dull sport deserves"

If she's available to the guy who came second then all bets are off.
pweedas
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8 Apr 2013 1:19pm
"His actions caused an out-pouring of anger on Twitter."

Gee, some people are really lucky that things are so good for them that they have some anger left over to vent at a guy who pinches some tart on the bum.
What do they expect if she's up there kissing strangers?

To all those who bothered to complain,. if you want to make a difference then direct your attention to something of some significance. Any significance. This was not.
(why am I even wasting my time adding to it. )
Mark _australia
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8 Apr 2013 1:43pm
pweedas said...
"His actions caused an out-pouring of anger on Twitter."



I also noted that part. Another male cyclist was straight onto Twitter to condemn Sagan. Hmmm - I smell free publicity
ginger pom
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8 Apr 2013 5:02pm
He does look like a prick doing it though. It's not like he couldn't have had a grab later, he's doing it on stage showing off.

Nothing deeply morally wrong with it, but if you took your cycle-mad daughter to see the cycling in your town and the guy who came second did that, then you'd be kind of disappointed... not outraged, just a bit let down.
dafrog
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8 Apr 2013 9:50pm
[}:)] let me the devil's advocate here, I'm starving for a fight to interrupt the boredom from lack of wind in Perth:

Well technically she is at her workplace (I'm sure she is getting paid to be eye candy) and this constitute sexual harassment... She would be entitled to sue the guy for this and there are laws clearly stating that this is illegal...

Now you guys rant about the good old days... you sound like those guys that try to make legitimate rape something...

She was dressed like a slut, so she is a slut and she deserves it so it's not the guy's fault... I mean come on some of you may have daughters...

I know and agree that some people among those feminist/media cohort are trying to emasculate us but it does not mean we should disregard other human beings rights to be respected and treated equally free of harassment. You only make men sound like degenerates.

NOW START TO DOWNVOTE!

gibberjoe
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9 Apr 2013 7:24am

It is all capitalism........it is all sales.......sex sells.

Some are offended......some are ok with it. Makes the world go round

Didnt see it, but if the fem was offended, she had the right to biff him good

even in front of the cameras. personaly I am over the kissy, kissy thingo

who would want to have intercourse/action with a smelly bikey.

it was possibly a slip of the hand, on lycra, an illusion
NotWal
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9 Apr 2013 4:34pm
Sound like a storm in a tea cup. An occasional pinch when a man parks his bike is only to be expected.
petermac33
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9 Apr 2013 3:21pm
I'm open to be pinched on the behind by any 80 year/old granny's out there,can't see a problem.
ikw777
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9 Apr 2013 5:55pm
I'd like to live in a world where women aren't cynically used to further the profile of events and/or goods and services by being employed to do dumb stuff like kissing some sportsman at an awards ceremony.

I'd also like to live in a world where men realise that touching an woman in sexually provocative manner outside some sort of understanding between the two of them is, actually, not OK.

I'd love more people to realise that the reason he's touching her like that is due to nothing other than him being encouraged by a lifetime's internalisation of representations of women as male playthings with no agency of their own.

He pinched her because in his mind he's having a naughty bit of fun, like a cheeky schoolkid. The fact that she might not like never occurred to him. Whatever the recipient of the pinch would have wanted or not wanted doesn't matter because he did not care and that's the problem.
Hamsta
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9 Apr 2013 6:00pm
Damn I wish I could have written that response^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
K Dog
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9 Apr 2013 9:20pm
I'm not sold sorry.... seriously, it was nothing BIG......

Perhaps when the headlines come through next to Syrian Crisis, kids getting blown up.... Little widdle cute Kimmy threatening to push the button in Nth Korea etc.... this is pretty mindless stuff in comparison...

I'm not saying heavy stuff excuses small stuff...... it doesn't, but serious:

Outrage > reality = < perspective......

Big things going on around the globe..... many people suffering..... this is a small one....
Mark _australia
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9 Apr 2013 8:27pm
ikw777 said...
I'd like to live in a world where women aren't cynically used to further the profile of events and/or goods and services by being employed to do dumb stuff like kissing some sportsman at an awards ceremony.

I'd also like to live in a world where men realise that touching an woman in sexually provocative manner outside some sort of understanding between the two of them is, actually, not OK.

I'd love more people to realise that the reason he's touching her like that is due to nothing other than him being encouraged by a lifetime's internalisation of representations of women as male playthings with no agency of their own.

He pinched her because in his mind he's having a naughty bit of fun, like a cheeky schoolkid. The fact that she might not like never occurred to him. Whatever the recipient of the pinch would have wanted or not wanted doesn't matter because he did not care and that's the problem.


That (and dafrog's response) are true.

BUT flip side - women know men are easily amused and like them in different ways to how women like men. They take advantage of it. That is: maybe how the world works is wrong but the grid girls / presentation awards girls / models aren't complaining.

Plenty of women use sexuality and attractiveness to their advantage. If the lady is of average intelligence or better, and thus is capable of making her own decision to dress hot and be a grid girl, knowing that due to her looks a guy will slap her on the bum or chat her up, then who are we to condemn her?

This is not prostitution or hardcore porn videos that she could slide into due to debt or drug use, nor the boiling the frog anology - this is a chick using her attractiveness to make money being photo'd next to the right logo's or something. Same as the cyclist uses his athleticism to make money.

In doing so she accepts that she will be cracked onto and maybe slapped on the bum. Most, I suggest, like the attention as long as it is just a casual flirt or slap on the bum. At worst they dislike the guy and laugh it off and call him a bit creepy ..... yet are bouyed by it somewhat as such activity creates more fame for them and thus more work.

I am not saying it is right - but if they accept it who are we to tell them it is wrong? Typical of the politically correct brigade - the "victim" does not care but the "more enlightened" - usually a lefty with a degree - tells us all how bad it all is.
Nowadays that lefty's criticism is predicted so the "offender" apologises in a speech written for them so they don't lose a billion dollar contract. Next week it happens again. How ridiculous.
Bit like banning Xmas at schools so as to not offend the Muslims - but no Muslims have complained. Madness.

So who are the dumb ones? I say the men who are influenced but the pretty girl..... not the girls for doing it. (I admit I am very dumb lol)
Who are the really truly dumb ones? The ones who complain about it not being right when the "victim" doesn't care. Their high and mighty "i know what is best for you and you should be offended" is almost as distasteful as the use of sex to sell.

ikw777
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9 Apr 2013 10:47pm
^^^^^ I am not really concerned about what she chooses to do for a living. I am concerned that there are so many men who believe they can do what they like to women without a single thought about her feelings.

Why is that? What sort of society creates the preconditions for that to happen? What does it sat about power relationships between sexes in our society? Is this the world we want for our sons and daughters? If a girl dresses a certain way and works in certain industry is it allowable to treat her in a disrespectful manner? Is this an adequate excuse for poor behaviour? Really?

Yes I'm a lefty with a degree.
Mark _australia
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9 Apr 2013 9:16pm
ikw777 said...
^^^^^ I am not really concerned about what she chooses to do for a living. I am concerned that there are so many men who believe they can do what they like to women without a single thought about her feelings.

Why is that? What sort of society creates the preconditions for that to happen? What does it sat about power relationships between sexes in our society? Is this the world we want for our sons and daughters? If a girl dresses a certain way and works in certain industry is it allowable to treat her in a disrespectful manner? Is this an adequate excuse for poor behaviour? Really?

Yes I'm a lefty with a degree.


I am also concerned about what u mention in your first para. But what "men do to women" in a more general or 'global' sense is different to this rather narrow example. This example has been happening for a thousand years with consent of both sides. Any increase in sexual assaults or truly unwanted attention of late is a different issue IMHO (and is linked inextricably to other things like domestic violence, king hits at pubs and such)

I did not say societal convention is an excuse for poor behaviour. For example - in football there is no charges of assault, as there is implied consent to hitting one another in certain ways. As soon as you belt a bloke behind the play and break his jaw, well fk you - criminal charges go to jail. Rightly so.
Same here with the grid gals- society's convention is effectively saying that she makes money from being pretty. He makes money from being athletic. (Both equally distasteful IMHO but off track...). The accepted convention is that she parades herself in a manner most ladies would not, she consented to it and will probably be slapped on the bum or chatted up sometimes. She accepts that risk and does not complain. Chances are she loves it and that's why she is doing it.
Same as the tackle on the footy field - implied consent.
Now a grab on the boob or anything more, right up to rape would be criminal and should be condemned.

But seriously, a slap/pinch on the bum?

Pinch grid girl on bum? yes.
Pinch random girl on bum in Woolies? No. Societal convention broken.


I can see the difference....


ikw777
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10 Apr 2013 7:26am
So you are saying that there are circumstances when it's OK to touch a woman on the arse? In this case because she has been employed to look pretty and sashay about the place?

I'm confused, and so is just about every 17 year old boy around the globe.
Mark _australia
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10 Apr 2013 8:05am
^^^ Sorry to answer a question with a question - but are there circumstances where, due to societal conventions, there is implied consent to kiss a total stranger..... like she did to him?

ikw777
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10 Apr 2013 10:21am
Mark _australia said...
^^^ Sorry to answer a question with a question - but are there circumstances where, due to societal conventions, there is implied consent to kiss a total stranger..... like she did to him?





I would respectfully submit that you're not answering a question with a question. You are just posing another question in an attempt to avoid answering the first.
Ados
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10 Apr 2013 10:22am
'context' is subjective.
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