Lost said sumpin like:

Well GF, you could be a winner. If you're so convinced about the duopoly then slap down some hard earned cash on their shares. Dividend payouts and by your assumptions a gauranteed return.

Again, I agree in most part, only I don't subscribe to the end of all that is fair in the world.

Like I said you adapt. I try to see an upside on most things. The upside for me is that extended hours didn't affect the way I shop - it simply gave me a choice.

What did change me, was the general price **EDIT** and quality of food, meat, fish etc. Because of this I have a daughter stoked with a vege patch, a boy with 4 chooks and a mate who cuts all our meat fresh. Yep, I pay extra, but it is sensational. Maybe reduced facelines, consolidation of brands, extended hours was just the push I needed??

Cheers and Beer Funky, I'm off to enjoy the sunset before the rain sets in for another 5 days...

Glad to hear you are prepared to spend extra time/energy/$$ for better quality Lost. So am I, hence my desire to see my local Farmer jacks (a true independant and better than IGA) survive, as they support and provide an outlet for superior West oz products such as milk, cheeses and honey etc.

Without them independants food in Perf will be dire.

I have only ever bought shares once and it is a sustainable energy company that may/may not be a windfall in the future.

My attempts at vege patching have been very hit n' miss over the last few years but they are an excellent source of free capsicums (which are normally very exxy) and motley also rans. Practice makes edible tho.

BTW - re: holidays I should have added my next fam holiday will be camping Moore river. We had Grotto booked but cancelled - I kn hate the rip-orf that Grotto is. Funnily enough that is entirely due to a monopoly situation there (no kidding) and the place just doesn't add up at all anymore.

Our next big holiday may be campervanning the Mid/Nth Eastern coast, but it depends on fundage and won't be for at least a year.


Cheers yaself Lost - it's windy out and I'm goin kiting sarvo!! After that it's beer o' clock.

Geez that Diver makes sense... for a vile Docker supporter.

Problem over here IMO is the transient mining employees earn unrealistic coin, compared to those that live here and work outside mining, (ie the majority of us) and spend like there is no tomorrow on everything in sight and then some.

It is those temporarily cashed up folks - out of touch with the reality of the majority - that demand 24 hr consumer indulgence and it is they that lost the referedum on extended trading.

Yet, here we are with extended trading foisted onto us by a govt lobbied by big business and ignoring the majority view plus WA retail/primary industries.

Bloody ordinary IMO.


And... I think I have more than spent my 2c as usual.

I bet PM33 is reading this rite now.

I checked seabreeze after few days' and I'm surprised this is still going on

I predict this thread will eventually have more posts & pages then funny images, top jokes & chemtrails combined, crash the server and will be deleted by admins as "politics related thread". This will start another great conspiracy/controversy debate which will divide seabreeze users more than kitesurfing vs windsurfing ever could (and crash the server three times in the process).

Give it up people! It's happening in few weeks and there is nothing you can do about it.

The only thing that can save us is early arrival of regular seabreeze, I think we all need a good dose of that!

Mandurah gunning for longer shopping hours than Perth ...

www.oneperth.com.au/2010/10/17/mandurah-demands-longer-shop-hours-than-perth/

This shopping hours thing is a joke.

Get the government out of my life.

Maybe you Perfians can quiz the pollies about this on Q&A tonight (ABC 9:35 pm AEDST). It's being beamed live from there and hosts a bevvy of WA pollies, including premier Colin Barnett.

Somebody please go to the studio and give Julie Bishop an unending death stare for the rest of us. I swear that woman could have a starring role in V as one of the reptile aliens. HEY!!! DO YA THINK
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Oops! No conspiracies...

everyone get their tin foil hats on quickly .

All this talk of people's family lives being affected well i call bull**** . Everyone of you who has pulled that line are you directly affected by this or are you just hopping on the DLS bandwagon and not wanting change in perth .

Personally i am all for it . I don't have time to shop on a weekend as i am either kiting, boating or something else equally valuable with my time and i work long hours . So if i can shop at 9pm on a tuesday ****ing awesome .

i need some milk sweet shop is still open about bl#$% time

dusta said...

everyone get their tin foil hats on quickly .

Personally i am all for it . I don't have time to shop on a weekend as i am either kiting, boating or something else equally valuable with my time and i work long hours . So if i can shop at 9pm on a tuesday ****ing awesome .

Dusta and I getting this right?
"somebody else can work, so I can go play instead of taking one hour of my Saturday morning to buy groceries"

Very giving and caring of you.

And I thought many of the pro extended trading people were talking about how they just can't find any time to shop. Is this what they meant by "can't"?



And Spotto - you always could buy milk in the evening if you had a lack of foresight / forgot / had unexpected guests demanding a coffee.
You just paid a little tiny bit (like 10%) more.
Now everyone will pay more, to help out the few who need to shop every damn night.

Mark _australia said...

Dusta and I getting this right?
"somebody else can work, so I can go play instead of taking one hour of my Saturday morning to buy groceries"

Very giving and caring of you.

May surprise you Mark, but there are probably people out there happy to work those hours so Dusta can go out and play on Saturday morning. Why do you want to deny them the opportunity?

mattyjee said...

Mark _australia said...
Now everyone will pay more

Absolute crap.
What have you based this on?

Simple. Fixed number of people spend the same amount.
But shop overheads go up. They have to go up if the shops are open longer. That has already happened with small retailers being told their rents are going up as the shopping centre will be open longer.

Secondly, once it is easier for Coles and Woolies to compete with IGA etc who were allowed to open longer, their duopoly will increase and they can put prices up. It is naive to think that when they can put prices up that they somehow will not due to some social responsibility warm fuzzy feeling. Of course they will.

maxm said...

Mark _australia said...

Dusta and I getting this right?
"somebody else can work, so I can go play instead of taking one hour of my Saturday morning to buy groceries"

Very giving and caring of you.

May surprise you Mark, but there are probably people out there happy to work those hours so Dusta can go out and play on Saturday morning. Why do you want to deny them the opportunity?

And you know what if shops want to stay open longer and charge a little more for staying open later i would happily pay for that .

westozwind said...

Since the referendum on trading hours was a waste of time, can we do the same with the Daylight Savings one too?
Time to put DLS through the parliament and ride rough shod over those pathetic DLS "No" voters

+1

Mark _australia said...

dusta said...

maxm said...

Mark _australia said...

Dusta and I getting this right?
"somebody else can work, so I can go play instead of taking one hour of my Saturday morning to buy groceries"

Very giving and caring of you.

May surprise you Mark, but there are probably people out there happy to work those hours so Dusta can go out and play on Saturday morning. Why do you want to deny them the opportunity?

And you know what if shops want to stay open longer and charge a little more for staying open later i would happily pay for that .

That was already the case!!! The independents like IGA and mum n dad deli's could!!
So far your argument is that you don't mind paying more for convenience (which was the case already, you always could buy milk at midnight) and that you want to go sailing or whatever on the weekend.
Sorry, but not a well reasoned argument I think.


Doggie said "More jobs, more money = more spending. Is that how it works?"
Not necessarily. Big companies are more inclined to do creative rostering like split shifts and so on to minimise the cost to them. They are in the business of money, not social responsibility or being nice. When Coles and Woolies open, let's say 30% longer hours now, if they put on 30% extra employees or spend 30% extra on wages I'll believe you but I really doubt it will happen.
Seriously, who would trust Coles and Woolies on this issue, when they already do stuff like forcing primary producers to deal with them and then pay them less, or dropping prices to unsustainable levels to kill off the competitor around the corner and when the competitors are gone the prices go back up????

Wot e sayd.

Why is it ok for Moles n Foolies to open the same hours but not have to pay their staff basic awards that all Ozzies expect in every job?

We are creating an under-class of workers stuck in poverty - strung along behind the split-shift, no penatlies carrots (just as M+F do to primary producers too) and sh!tting in our own nest simultaneously coz we want the choice to sh!t there. [Insert your choice of grogan here]

Sigh..

Well I couldnt care less, longer shopping or not , sounds like most here are wage earners , have to be there at a designated time and cant leave until the time bell rings .
Have been a subcontractor all my life , and would't have it any other way, can arrive when I please and go whenever I want {will never forget the day at work in Gero when the wind TURNED OFFSHORE !!! AT 11am , packed up and had an awsome day } I could NEVER work on the timeclock system,
as for the extra cost in allowing the extra shopping time , like I really care --- not.
Half an hour extra during the week and I have it all covered.(not that I need to shop)
An old macadonian mate of mine once said (with an accent ) boy,,,,, the more you put,, the more you get, but I guess that doesn't apply to wage earners
I truely love the freedom my job gives me and wouldn't have it any other way.
If the importance of being able to shop when you want and you can't , change something in your life.