Rant........Why dont people step up?

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getfunky
getfunky
WA
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22 Jun 2010 10:50am
Elroy Jetson said...

The agressors target some people over others.

www.protectivestrategies.com/victim-selection.html

Cut and pasted From the website:

"The Grayson/Stein Study

In 1984 two researchers, Betty Grayson and Morris I. Stein, conducted a study to determine the selection criteria applied by predators when selecting their victims. They videotaped several pedestrians on a busy New York City sidewalk without their knowledge.

They later showed the tape to convicts who were incarcerated for violent offenses (rape, murder, robbery, etc.) They instructed them to identify people on the tape who would make easy or desirable victims. The results were interesting.

Within seven seconds, the participants made their selections. What baffled researchers was the consistency of the people that were selected as victims. The criteria were not readily apparent. Some small, slightly built women were passed over. Some large men were selected. The selection was not dependant on race, age, size or gender.

Even the convicts didn't know exactly why they selected as they did. Some people just looked like easy targets. It appears that much of the predator/prey selection process is unconscious from the perspective of both predator and the potential victim."


Saw a Teev spesh on this and it was fascinating.

Most of the time it boils down to body language and eye contact (or lack of).

Even dumb @rsed cretin human have finely tuned unconscious understanding of body language signals.

You don't have to walk around like Travolta in Sat night fever (or sing falsetto) but a certain amount of casual confidence in your gait goes a long way. Too much and you may attract someone who wants to knock the chip off tho.
Jukebox
Jukebox
NSW
155 posts
NSW, 155 posts
29 Jul 2010 6:33pm
martman said...

Situation * Manly ferry mid evening , Elderly gent travelling with his wife ,
Passenger on board sitting near aforementioned elderly couple with his companion ,
Elderly gent takes exception to much younger fitter passenger using swear language , asks him to tone it down
Much younger fittter passenger takes it as an offence and goes about beating the much older gent into a pulp and punched him down a flight of stairs , No fuss crew of 3 alerted to the assault taking place onboard and overcome and restrain the guy until the vessel can be berthed and police arrive approx 15 mins . First aid is given to the now comatose older gent and he is comforted until being collected by ambulance and taken to hospital for treatment ,
Much younger fitter other passenger is charged and bailed to appear in court , in sentencing the Honourable judge takes into consideration the fact that the offender was in fact a successful amatuer BOXER had there not been a group on board to step up for the elderly gent in this case the ferry crew , then the BOXER may have been tried for murder
Recent history of trained fighters taking on weaker vulnerable people is full of examples , who remembers David hookes for 1 , tried to talk through a sensitive situation , You cannot predict what may be the outcome be careful which way you turn There wont always be someone on hand to step up for you


Up date !! This guy appealed his 2 year sentence for bashing a defenceless old man
Today his sentence was reduced to A good behaviour bond !
Meanwhile the old man is still suffering the effects of his injuries and is too scared
to venture too far from the safety of his home
Oh yeah the court took into consideration the fact that the guy had an underlying
mental problem dah Best remedy put him back on the street


Next case please

evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
29 Jul 2010 9:41pm
doggie said...

The nutters alway seem to pick me out of a crowd and generally Ive got nuthing.

I hate to argue (unless its here) and it seems that when I am picked on my mind is not with whats going on around me then I have to deal with some nutter that I dont even know.

Bloody happened at a meeting I was at happily chatting away about club events ect then sum drunk prick comes in and starts having a go at me, not the rest of the guys sitting there just me! The more I ignored him the worse it got.

I just got walked out side he followed me then I turned around went back in and locked the door. I had nothing verbal to give back to him and didnt want speak anyway, I hate that sh!t!!!!


Ha ha, I've done that.

"You want to step outside?"
"Alright ****."
[steps outside]
[door locks]

I wish he were bigger than me and there were more people to see it.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
29 Jul 2010 8:53pm
i was in a bush pub a few years ago when a drunk patron started abusing the barmaid, and was amazed that no-one, at that end of the bar stood up to him.
2 young blokes at our end started moving towards him , when their boss told them that if they were charged with assault they would lose thier jobs, as they couldnt go on a minesite again.
. It highlights the reality that the idiots that start all the fuss will get as much protection from the law as thier victims, and are often the first to run to the law when someone steps up to them.
on this occasion , the regulars in the pub waited till he'd had a few more, and staggered off to the loo, so he got his just desserts
WaynoB
WaynoB
NSW
393 posts
NSW, 393 posts
30 Jul 2010 2:51pm
Years ago I took a group of school kids on an excursion from Narrabeen to the Manly wharf and then onto Circular Quay. 4 male teachers and 40 teenage school kids on public transport is usually not a problem. Usually.

While coming back from Manly, a drunk male got on the bus and started to leer at, pass comments on and verbally abuse some of the kids. They were upset by his abuse.

So, the youngest, fittest teacher went up to the drunk and asked him to stop his behaviour. The drunk replied "F*** Orf. Are you going to make me?" Our hero teacher replied "Yes" and told the bus driver to stop at the next stop. When the bus stopped the doors opened and our hero yelled in the face of the drunk "Now get off!!"

The drunk was so shocked he got off. A cheer and round of applause from all on the bus followed.

Obviously this situation was pretty well handled by an experienced teacher, who also had the back up of 3 other males and a host of kids. It would have been irresponsible for the teachers to ignore what was happening to students in their care.

We were lucky that was all that happened.
Annika
Annika
WA
48 posts
WA, 48 posts
30 Jul 2010 1:33pm
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. "

It's a sad reflection on society when people don't intervene out of fear. Even sadder as it will inevitably lead to an increase in bad behavior as a generation is taught by society that they can get away with anything.
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