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busterwa
busterwa
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31 Jan 2012 11:40pm
Educational post. _ i have never seen any information regarding cross sport rescues I have had kite surfer come to my attendance during catastrophic gear breakage. Recently on the forums a kite surfer towing in a windsurfer rescue went wrong. There is no one to blame. Its important to resolve issues and get some education How do i go about getting rescued if a kite comes to my aid?

1) Whats the correct procedure to tow in a windsurfer in distress if your on a kite.?
2)What is the correct procedure for towing in a kite surfer that is in distress on a sailboard?
Im competent at towing a windsurfer back to shore (as im a windsurfer) Usually windsurfer to windsurfer tow is back hold on to the back foot-straps person of interest with gear breakage holds on to back foot-straps to back foot-straps.
Require instructors to answer this one !
Here is a reference.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/swimming-in/
This has come up as a point of interest that requires a safe resolution..
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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1 Feb 2012 12:18am
Let's say your pole or boom has snapped and you can't sail back in.
Well, you could rescue yourself, you know.
But for the sake of this exercise, let's say you want a kiter to come to your rescue.
One way would be to let the kiter jump on your poleboard and kite the whole mess back to shore.
The poley would have to paddle the kiteboard back.
busterwa
busterwa
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1 Feb 2012 12:45am
^Sorry "mandude"
if i was asking for your help flipping burgers at hungry jacks i would of sent you a private message.
Sailhack
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1 Feb 2012 9:56am
Slave's pretty close to what a rescue by-kite would have to be (if you were more worried about your kit than yourself). Personally though, I'd like to stay with my (buoyant) board. Your response to a decent reply was pretty childish imo.

Self-rescue is your best option as far as I know other than a tow from another w/surfer (not kitesurfer) due to the buoyancy, not for any negative reason between the sports.

De-rig in the water, roll the sail up, lay the boom, sail & mast on the board & tie it together with downhaul rope or uphaul. Lay on top & paddle in (or get a tow, which I've had done, but the added weight & issues towing cause pain to the mate's knees & back).

The longest time paddling in I've had was about 1hr. Halfway in I noticed my harness hook was digging into my sail, so I took it off...shorebreak ate it & I never saw my harness again!
firiebob
firiebob
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1 Feb 2012 9:04am
Self rescues not as easy as it sounds, we generally break things when it windy and rough. I can tell you it's no walk in the park trying to paddle it all in especially on a modern wide sailboard, the non slip rips your arms. I've been bleeding like a stuck pig doing it for about a K.

Here what worked for me, de rig and self rescue until a nice kite surfer rocks up to help, get him to lay on his board like a boogie board and do his kite thing, you grab hold of his harness handle while laying on all your crap and he tows you in. It's very easy and fast, no strain.

On beach kiss his feet and buy him a beer
Gorgo
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NoBS
NoBS
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1 Feb 2012 10:36am
there is an american saying which is relevant..

f*** it..

Drive on....
Macroscien
Macroscien
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1 Feb 2012 1:47pm
I always try to carry spare 2m long line in my harness pocket.
In the case I need to tow fellow windsurfer or even retrieve kiters lost board.
Eventually the same line could be used to fix something in my emergency.

I imagine in next few years every windsurfing board ( maybe kite boards too) will be equipped with small watertight compartment that you could have: extra buoyancy equipment, spare parts, two way radio, satellite beacon, some food and drink, small paddle, etc.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
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1 Feb 2012 8:53pm
^^^ Careful tethering yourself to anything, remember board leashes...

Assuming the windsurfer still has a board (!) I would get them to pack up and lie on the board surfing style, and get them to hold the back of my harness or back footstrap.

If anything goes wrong no-one is connected to anything and the windsurfer is keeping the gear under control and upwind if for some reason the kiter got overpowered

I have used this technique to bring home SUPers, shortboarders and longboarders so it should work for a windsurfer

For a distressed kiter (never happens!) being rescued by a windsurfer it is a bit messier because it's tough to get the whole mess planing no matter how you set things up (massive windsurf / kite boards excluded)
Macroscien
Macroscien
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1 Feb 2012 8:53pm
GalahOnTheBay said...

^^^ Careful tethering yourself to anything, remember board leashes...

Assuming the windsurfer still has a board (!) I would get them to pack up and lie on the board surfing style, and get them to hold the back of my harness or back footstrap.

If anything goes wrong no-one is connected to anything and the windsurfer is keeping the gear under control and upwind if for some reason the kiter got overpowered

I have used this technique to bring home SUPers, shortboarders and longboarders so it should work for a windsurfer

For a distressed kiter (never happens!) being rescued by a windsurfer it is a bit messier because it's tough to get the whole mess planing no matter how you set things up (massive windsurf / kite boards excluded)


When I need to tow fellow windsurfer I just attach rope to my back foot straps and his board back foot straps.
Take a bit of effort but reasonably doable even with guys still hanging or sitting on his board, obviously nobody talk about planning with such a load !!
Towing distress swimmer or kiter is even easier and could be fun. Just hang on foot strap and swimmer enjoy good ride !!
jn1
jn1
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2 Feb 2012 1:11am
Sailhack said...

De-rig in the water, roll the sail up, lay the boom, sail & mast on the board & tie it together with downhaul rope or uphaul. Lay on top & paddle in (or get a tow, which I've had done, but the added weight & issues towing cause pain to the mate's knees & back).


Has anybody tried this in 25+ knots ?. I practised this self rescue technique when I was doing Windsurfing lessons as a beginner on flat water in a light breeze. I can't see myself doing this in 2-3 foot wave/chop faces out the back. The only thing I could think of doing in these conditions would just wait and let the swell take me back to shore.

J
busterwa
busterwa
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1 Feb 2012 10:57pm
I tried once in 35 knots once JN .Its hard to do when your getting smashed by whitecap swell formation.

1)If you are seriously injured Unable to swim, hold on to what can float only and keep you alive.. Ditching you sails. kite can be an advantage if a person has acknowledged your distress and willing to respond. If the gear has been ditched and been not recovered you are required to ring your local paroling sea rescue and report it missing.The rescuer should stay with the injured person of interest flagging down other water users until a third person has acknowledged.. This third person can then go to the beach for help.


Ditching gear if there is no acknowledgement from a second and third rescuer can be fatal and can pamper search and rescue efforts in heavy seas..
busterwa
busterwa
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3782 posts
1 Feb 2012 11:03pm
Assuming the windsurfer still has a board (!) I would get them to pack up and lie on the board surfing style, and get them to hold the back of my harness or back footstrap.

If anything goes wrong no-one is connected to anything and the windsurfer is keeping the gear under control and upwind if for some reason the kiter got overpowered

I have used this technique to bring home SUPers, shortboarders and longboarders so it should work for a windsurfer
Galah is Spot-on methinks.


If i was to rescue a kite surfer because of gear breakage I would want him to clear and organize his lines so they posed no threat- deflate the bladder if its not already popped.fold your equipment up and sit it on the board. Once this has been done the persons could then safety hold on to my back foot-straps to inch in slowly off the plan?

But hey never had to rescue a kite-surfer At my local they only seem to go out .3 kilometers offshore max?!
Sailhack
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2 Feb 2012 9:27am
jn1 said...

Sailhack said...

De-rig in the water, roll the sail up, lay the boom, sail & mast on the board & tie it together with downhaul rope or uphaul. Lay on top & paddle in (or get a tow, which I've had done, but the added weight & issues towing cause pain to the mate's knees & back).


Has anybody tried this in 25+ knots ?. I practised this self rescue technique when I was doing Windsurfing lessons as a beginner on flat water in a light breeze. I can't see myself doing this in 2-3 foot wave/chop faces out the back. The only thing I could think of doing in these conditions would just wait and let the swell take me back to shore.

J



Jn, I've done it in those conditions (20+kts and 2-3 'metre' large swell - we were jumping)...as you mentioned, it is very difficult and you need to take your time & not exhaust yourself although adrenalin does play a part. From memory it took me about 30mins to de-rig & by the time I made it to the beach I was so tired I couldn't walk back to my car & had to just lay on my back on the beach for about 15-20mins.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
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2 Feb 2012 1:19pm
^^^ +1, done it in over 30 knots for both windsurfers and kiters on surfboards (also kiters "riding" their own twin tips but that's a whole other ballgame).

Slow and steady is obviously the key to keeping things safe

The beauty of not being tethered is that you can get the whole thing planing if you are both game enough to do so - but make sure you are both up for it [}:)]
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