^^^ Govts will always have a purpose later on for remote facilities to house people they want to remove from society for a bit.
This is all very good practice for them with tracing, lockdown and remove/quarantine some of the population.

Decent quarantine was worked out long ago. It's pretty simple. Put people in an isolated area where they can't get out of till they are not infectious. Most Australian cities have islands nearby. You'd think with the amount of authoritarian power the State uses reducing our freedom that was unthinkable two years ago that most Australians seem to seem to be happy with, locking up people coming into Australia in quarantine gaols would be acceptable.

Hotels are not set up as quarantine facilities. They are set up as hotels.

bjw said..
I feel having the hotel quarantines at CBD hotels is also about giving a leg up to the local hotels, as without it they would be screwed. I think many would have closed had it not been for this.

I agree. I think they found it as a way to keep these places afloat. Maybe we can have both, which is the current suggestion. The hotels get the lower risk people, the higher risk people go straight into the purpose built detention camps quarantine facilities.

These newer strains are just moving too fast and the hotels cant cope easily.

It goes to show you how many people that came back from OS were negative, so in general they were low risk, yet now we are facing the possibility that we are getting plane loads of people coming back with them all having Covid as its highly likely they would catch it on the flight anyway. Any mistakes you could have gotten away with before are not going to work with this scenario.

FormulaNova said..

Vaccines are not effective immediately. You are training your immune system to respond to the virus, so its quite conceivable that you could arrive with Covid, get a vaccine and still pass it along for ages. As you already have it it will be too late for you, but you are also going to be able to pass it onto the other people around you if they got the vaccine at the same time.

I don't know how long it takes to be effective, but you can take a hint from the need to have multiple jabs to reach a level where they consider it enough protection.

Edit: I found this:
"It typically takes two weeks after vaccination for the body to build protection (immunity) against the virus that causes COVID-19. You are not fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after the 2nd dose of a two-dose vaccine or two weeks after a one-dose vaccine."

I heard vaccination doesn't stop you from getting covid but greatly lowers your chances of going to hospital and getting intensive care.

myscreenname said..

FormulaNova said..

Vaccines are not effective immediately. You are training your immune system to respond to the virus, so its quite conceivable that you could arrive with Covid, get a vaccine and still pass it along for ages. As you already have it it will be too late for you, but you are also going to be able to pass it onto the other people around you if they got the vaccine at the same time.

I don't know how long it takes to be effective, but you can take a hint from the need to have multiple jabs to reach a level where they consider it enough protection.

Edit: I found this:
"It typically takes two weeks after vaccination for the body to build protection (immunity) against the virus that causes COVID-19. You are not fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after the 2nd dose of a two-dose vaccine or two weeks after a one-dose vaccine."

I heard vaccination doesn't stop you from getting covid but greatly lowers your chances of going to hospital and getting intensive care.

I think they say that for variants that may not have been used for the development of the vaccines. It sounds like its a bit uncertain, but it seems that the WHO believe that the existing vaccines are effective for current strains.

The suggestion sounds reasonable though.

Surely the bean counter phd economic mathematicians have done the sums and are advising both state and federal governments on the overall cost benefit of build in these facilities.

remember it's the small Mum and dad businesses that bear the brunt of these lockdowns. The large giant global oligopolies all seem to be "essential"
businesses" it seems. Funny that hey.

Basic logic dictates that we pay and built these facilities. But it ain't that simple when you throw in the political influence of our corporate over lords.

Yeh a mate of mine worked in Canberra for
a while in a government department and said the "hollow men" was hard to watch because it was so scarily close to truth.

here you go
cut and paste
half the price
www.bhp.com/careers/get-to-know-our-business/south-flank/mulla360-page/

myscreenname said..
Send four hundred Victorians there:

1. One hundred who have taken Pfizer
2. One hundred who have taken Astrazeneca
3. One hundred who have had virus (maybe Missy Higgins dad could be captain?)
4. One hundred volunteers, or safe injecting room users, who haven't had the virus.

We could lower them into India using helicopters and big numbered cages for 24 or more hours.

That should help the government know what to do next.

I also would like to see the results of this study.
Surely the two hundred vaccinated people will be completely fine, right? That's what the vaccines are for, yeah? To protect us?

The official word on vaccinations:
'Vaccination is a simple, safe, and effective way of protecting people against harmful diseases, before they come into contact with them.'

I think the sample study is a bit low, add in another 100, long term dole-bludgers.
And another 100 people who tuck their ears under their baseball caps.

Poida said.. here you go, cut and paste, half the price
www.bhp.com/careers/get-to-know-our-business/south-flank/mulla360-page/

I can point you towards a site that is within spitting distance of Charlie Gairdiner's and the West Leederville St. John of God Hospital.
Sealed roads, pleasant surroundings, good comms, already plumbed for water supply and sewerage, power supply can be sorted pretty quick - and coincidentally - already earmarked by the W.A. Govt. as the site for an emergency "refugee" camp in case fire/flood/sky falling finds us needing somewhere to stash a few thousand people at short-ish notice.

1994/95 The Scouts held a jamboree at Perry Lakes - 12500ish Scouts under canvas, and part of the deal of having use of the site was that the upgraded water supply and sewer system was to be left in place.

It took us less than 10 days to fence the whole place, set up freezers, bulk stores and transport, set up and commission our pre-made ablution blocks. [nothing fancy- but cheap!!]

Between the local Scouts and Seventh Day Adventist Church we had 90% of the canvas set up for the admin areas, international arrivals and most of the interstate troops within 3 days.

Some of the power was run from the [upgraded] existing supply, with other areas using industrial sized gen-sets.

When we packed up the site, the sewer points were sealed and buried - with a steel plough disk or similar about 300mm underground to protect the junction and to make them easy to find with a metal detector.

Water supply and drainage points were decommissioned in a similar manner - with a fair sprinkling of the water supply points left as potable water taps for park users and drinking fountains.

Part of the site is now gone - [developers strike again] but it could still possibly cater for a couple of thousand in "donga style" accommodation - as long as the local gentry didn't complain too much.

There was ebola in Africa, SARS ripped through Asia pretty bad, now we have the global situation with Covid-19 + it's variants. All pretty recent history, if we are going to travel internationally in the future remote containment facilities should be on the cards in all states and territories. Placing potentially infected people in the heart of dense populations is blatant stupidity.

airsail said..
Interesting that many of my family and workmates are now vaccinated or have their appointment booked, big uptake in the last month.

It's very commendable that they have volunteered to take part in the clinical trials.

airsail said..

Watch this space, they are looking at opening borders quicker than even I thought, but only for those vaccinated. Another nail in the coffin for any type of quarantine facility.
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/01/trial-allowing-vaccinated-australians-to-travel-overseas-could-start-in-six-weeks

Unlikely, with possible fresh outbreaks in NSW and WA just announced in last few hours.

eppo said..
Yeh a mate of mine worked in Canberra for
a while in a government department and said the "hollow men" was hard to watch because it was so scarily close to truth.

I can't watch this show, it sickens me.

Can we skip the idea that Covid has lower mortality than the common cold?
The current statistics on Microsoft news coronavirus tracker are 171.7M cases worldwide, 3.7M fatalities, so that's a bit over 2% fatality rate.
How many people do you know who have died or even been hospitalised from a cold?