No. When you add in co- morbidity factors contributing to a so called COVID death it is well below the common cold - which leads to death through such things as pneumonia etc. - that's why America was hit so hard. They as a population are just too obese hence the diseases that come with that.


... and using India (poverty and associated aspects adding to the morbidity potential of COVID killing you) as an example compared to a developed industrial nation like ours is also a distracted argument.

there are lies, damn lies and statistics.


History as shown time and time again that those in power will use whatever they can to get more and you don't need to go that far back to see it play out.
be very careful what you accept and indeed ask for. there's a much bigger picture beyond COVID here.



america is a great example as essentially the states could almost be considered different countries, their policies on COVID are so different. Those that have gone into dystopian lock down controls have the same infection rate and death rate as those that have kept everything completely open - using just basic protocols such as social distancing/masks even quick testing of participants before large events.
if you think there isn't a political power influence here you must still believe in Santa Claus.


Personally I'm a teacher with an immuno compromised child so the more control the better for me. I still get paid and my son is supposedly safer. But I've seen the consequences on small
businesses even in our rich state - the real productive economy. I also distrust politicians with every bone in my body probably because I am well read in history.

People keep bringing up 3,000 Covid deaths per day in India. So that takes it from 50,000 to 53,000 all cause daily mortality. Will it be all over the news in a couple of months when their daily toll drops to 47,000. It didn't make the news when it happened in Sweden, six months into the pandemic they were seeing their lowest daily all cause mortality rates in over a decade. I'll stop now before it becomes a HW rant.

To add a number, 78 percent of patients admitted to hospital in the states for COVID were/are obese. Florida who threw away all lockdown protocols has a smaller infection rate than California and New York with their draconian lockdown laws.
Canadian lockdowns are even worse than here. Some places you need to have paper work in your car to prove you need to be in the road.

Some specialists are surmising that like the flu season (which is worst in the north east American states) it cioncides with winter and more to the point being locked indoors where the virus can do it's work on immune systems with little vitamin D.

therr is actually zero evidence that the virus spreads outdoors.
it seems we are still using policies based on information that is a year old (at the early stages when we knew nothing about the virus) and no longer relevant. We lock oriole indorse where large viral loads can be obtained and immune systems are compromised due to sedentary sitting around, drinking piss, eaating too much food and feeling sorry for oneself.

Some developments on the legal front headed by Reiner Fuelmich looking like gaining traction. Very thorough interview with James Dellingpole worth listening to

odysee.com/@JamesDelingpoleChannel:0/fuellmich:8

Oh and your sources are totally valid. ?

And another venerated individual who has demonstrated irrefutably that a concoction of an array of off patent medicines, vitamins and minerals exceed the efficacy of the vaccines by a long chalk and have been demonstrated to be completely safe and cheap.

McCollough will feature heavily as a witness to the corruption which has been taking place

90%RRR = 1.2%ARR
Don't worry if you can't read or comprehend medical journals, I also got my degree at the University of Facebook.

Yea what ever Eppo, there are always amoral people that will make money out of anyone's misery.
I do love the quotation mark around the word Professional, on one side you have serious scientists on the other QAnon supporting charlatans

Yapie how can you get it so wrong.
Dr Peter McCollough is not advocating that his mix of readily available drugs as a vaccine but as a treatment for people that have already got Covid-19. And where is this irrefutable proof as most serious study have proved that hydroxychloroquine is ineffective as a treatment for Covid-19 and can be detrimental

Most Victorians are Indians?

Yarpie
When you click on the link you provided you get to a blank page
This is because the study was retracted by the authors due to data integrity issues in June 2020
I feel this will only reinforce you belief in a conspiracy but if you would like to read more about it read the link below it also references the other studies that show the malaria drugs don't work

www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/two-elite-medical-journals-retract-coronavirus-papers-over-data-integrity-questions
Have you got any other irrefutable evidence

eppo
Love the Wizard of Oz reference, if I'm Dorothy are you The Scarecrow or do you see yourself as the Wizard

There was a school mum at drop off yesterday making a big deal about getting her shots, the fear within her was clearly disproportionate to the risk. A healthy white thirty year old female has maybe a one in fifty thousand chance of dying from Covid if she were actually to contract it. ,,Absolutely worth the days of feeling unwell to slightly reduce an almost non existent threat,,

kiterboy said..
www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/astrazeneca-vaccine-should-now-only-be-given-to-those-aged-60-and-above-atagi-recommends/news-story/bb5321c5a7ac7880d6b0f7340ba3ac69

Why do the recommendations keep shifting?
Oh, that's right, cause the clinical trials aren't finished yet, they're still getting study data from the general population...

I'd be interested to know what the age of people has to do with the risks.
What is the age where this clearly faulty vaccine experiment is acceptably safe to take?
40 was the magic age previously, then 50, now 60...are they just going to keep pushing it out to 80, so they can say people that age would have died from a naturally occurring blot clot anyway?

Its pretty clear. You might be able to follow it.

It is a balance between the risk of the vaccine versus the risk of getting Covid and dying. Clearly they are adjusting it upwards as they see side effects and less chance of many people here actually catching Covid. I suspect that they would stick with the original age or even bring it down if we were suffering through huge outbreaks. We aren't.

I actually asked this question of a GP recently and his reply was effectively what I said above.

You seem to be lumping all vaccines into your argument, but clearly that is not the case here in Aus.

kiterboy said..

FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..
www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/astrazeneca-vaccine-should-now-only-be-given-to-those-aged-60-and-above-atagi-recommends/news-story/bb5321c5a7ac7880d6b0f7340ba3ac69

Why do the recommendations keep shifting?
Oh, that's right, cause the clinical trials aren't finished yet, they're still getting study data from the general population...

I'd be interested to know what the age of people has to do with the risks.
What is the age where this clearly faulty vaccine experiment is acceptably safe to take?
40 was the magic age previously, then 50, now 60...are they just going to keep pushing it out to 80, so they can say people that age would have died from a naturally occurring blot clot anyway?

Its pretty clear. You might be able to follow it.

It is a balance between the risk of the vaccine versus the risk of getting Covid and dying. Clearly they are adjusting it upwards as they see side effects and less chance of many people here actually catching Covid. I suspect that they would stick with the original age or even bring it down if we were suffering through huge outbreaks. We aren't.

I actually asked this question of a GP recently and his reply was effectively what I said above.

You seem to be lumping all vaccines into your argument, but clearly that is not the case here in Aus.

Ah, so you do agree the clinical trials are still ongoing, just including the population as a whole.
Thanks for admitting that.

The thing with GPs...you can finish at the absolute bottom of your class and scrape through, and you can still be a GP.


You seem to be making a strawman about my view on vaccines.

What's the question? You asked if the clinical trials aren't finished yet. Obviously these vaccines were rushed through and things may sneak through the clinical trials as you cannot possibly test for every medical condition in your trials. Its just not possible.

Why are you arguing about this? Its pretty clear that this is the way its working.

Did you want to wait ten years to see the clinical trials and the stats from them to determine if something is safe to prevent Covid?

A GP could be a genius or he could be a crackpot. Surely you have seen the GPs that seem to pop up in America claiming that Covid is made up? I wonder which camp I would put them in?

Again, if its not clear to you, the use of Astrazenica appears to be a compromise between the risk of side-effects, unfortunately including death, and the risk from the virus itself. No one will argue otherwise with you. For some reason the public seem to think that there is a material difference between the age groups that makes this vaccine good or bad. It seems there is not and its just based on risks.

Personal attacks were supposed to stop when heavy weather ended. If you're worried about a sixty year old white woman dying of Covid I suggest you put her on a diet, to be in even marginally high risk group she'd have to be pretty ****ing fat.

kiterboy said..

FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..

FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..
www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/astrazeneca-vaccine-should-now-only-be-given-to-those-aged-60-and-above-atagi-recommends/news-story/bb5321c5a7ac7880d6b0f7340ba3ac69

Why do the recommendations keep shifting?
Oh, that's right, cause the clinical trials aren't finished yet, they're still getting study data from the general population...

I'd be interested to know what the age of people has to do with the risks.
What is the age where this clearly faulty vaccine experiment is acceptably safe to take?
40 was the magic age previously, then 50, now 60...are they just going to keep pushing it out to 80, so they can say people that age would have died from a naturally occurring blot clot anyway?

Its pretty clear. You might be able to follow it.

It is a balance between the risk of the vaccine versus the risk of getting Covid and dying. Clearly they are adjusting it upwards as they see side effects and less chance of many people here actually catching Covid. I suspect that they would stick with the original age or even bring it down if we were suffering through huge outbreaks. We aren't.

I actually asked this question of a GP recently and his reply was effectively what I said above.

You seem to be lumping all vaccines into your argument, but clearly that is not the case here in Aus.

Ah, so you do agree the clinical trials are still ongoing, just including the population as a whole.
Thanks for admitting that.

The thing with GPs...you can finish at the absolute bottom of your class and scrape through, and you can still be a GP.


You seem to be making a strawman about my view on vaccines.

What's the question? You asked if the clinical trials aren't finished yet. Obviously these vaccines were rushed through and things may sneak through the clinical trials as you cannot possibly test for every medical condition in your trials. Its just not possible.

Why are you arguing about this? Its pretty clear that this is the way its working.

Did you want to wait ten years to see the clinical trials and the stats from them to determine if something is safe to prevent Covid?

A GP could be a genius or he could be a crackpot. Surely you have seen the GPs that seem to pop up in America claiming that Covid is made up? I wonder which camp I would put them in?

Again, if its not clear to you, the use of Astrazenica appears to be a compromise between the risk of side-effects, unfortunately including death, and the risk from the virus itself. No one will argue otherwise with you. For some reason the public seem to think that there is a material difference between the age groups that makes this vaccine good or bad. It seems there is not and its just based on risks.

I didn't ask if the clinical trials were finished yet.
They are quite clearly still underway, using the general population.

Try reading things twice before you go on a rant.

Well, you think the clinical trials are still going on. Okay, believe what you want, but clearly clinical trials are different to real world results.

You did ask why the age is being changed. I answered that. I hope you understood it.