i was the fat kid at school... ratio now ...omg!

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Salatiela
Salatiela
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2 Jan 2011 6:45am
1980 in a small new zealand town, i was the token fat kid - ya know tubby, watfadinner, wannabite...but token at my school it was me and lara - the fatties

flash forward 30yrs

me and the wife running around wet and wild yesterday...omg...OMG !

fat kids, really fat kids and kids so fat they walked funny...sh#t we've got it so wrong. we saw two stand out fit kids and the parents are clubies from byron and im making changes to my kids menu at work...

how do we change this??

saltiest1
saltiest1
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2 Jan 2011 10:27am
we were so lucky we started from day 1 with our girl. she chooses healthy food over the nasty stuff. bless her .
japie
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2 Jan 2011 3:19pm
Wonder how long fefore this thread gets locked

Whatever you think about the fat plague there is no denying it is there. Fo me it signifies not only the depths of disconnection we have stooped to but also to the wonderment of how the heath industry is to be paid by this what is sure to knock tobacco into a cocked hat incident in our medical history.

With our level of knowledge of dietary requirments there is no excuse but then if you look at the startling array of titbits to tempt the slaivering shops of a squalling brat who is coming down off a coke high without being fed its customary all but chewed burger you realise that the war is well behind the eight ball.

I occasionally run across a young one on the beach and wonder at the fat that would run off on a spit. Little white whales.

Parents should be bloody prosecuted. It is already costing a fortune, how big is it yet to get?

Still Big Pharma must be grinning!


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saltiest1
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2 Jan 2011 3:50pm
japie said...

Wonder how long fefore this thread gets locked

Whatever you think about the fat plague there is no denying it is there. Fo me it signifies not only the depths of disconnection we have stooped to but also to the wonderment of how the heath industry is to be paid by this what is sure to knock tobacco into a cocked hat incident in our medical history.

With our level of knowledge of dietary requirments there is no excuse but then if you look at the startling array of titbits to tempt the slaivering shops of a squalling brat who is coming down off a coke high without being fed its customary all but chewed burger you realise that the war is well behind the eight ball.

I occasionally run across a young one on the beach and wonder at the fat that would run off on a spit. Little white whales.

Parents should be bloody prosecuted. It is already costing a fortune, how big is it yet to get?

Still Big Pharma must be grinning!


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no conspiracy here, just poor parenting.
Salatiela
Salatiela
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2 Jan 2011 4:43pm
na it an't good, we as parents do have to do more...however we pay taxes and i for one want more from the governing types that could help regulate the market / media etc...to much to ask??
Greenroom
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2 Jan 2011 2:11pm
Here is a thought... Do you ever see rich fat kids?
GlenMorangie
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2 Jan 2011 3:49pm
I tell you, there is a conspiracy here!

Do we all remember doing the food pyramid at school? You might remember it looking something like this:



It may not be immediately obvious, but take a moment to think about what is wrong with this.

What did people eat 10,000 years ago? They certainly didn't have bread, cereals pasta and rice.
This kinda goes against the "you are what you eat" philosophy. Because you can, yes you can eat fats and get away with it. However, it should be saturated fats, not trans fats.
The problem here is carbohydrates. Our caveman friend rarely ate carbs, yet they are the base of our pyramid! Why? Well lets look at who decided the pyramid is the way it is - the National Association of Wheat Growers (American). Now why would they do that? To sell their wheat products of course!

When we eat food in the form of carbohydrates, our bodies will either do one of three things in this particular order:
1. Burn off the carbohydrates immediately for energy
2. Replenish glycogen stores in the liver and muscle tissue
3. Convert the carbohydrate into fat and store for later use

So how do we stop getting fat? EASY - Stop eating carbs!

The way we should be eating is something like this:



Combined with excercise, which the little tubbies at wet and wild were doing some of, this epidemic can be easily controlled. This is really a simple lack of education issue that is powered by industry.
subasurf
subasurf
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2 Jan 2011 4:02pm
Diet aside, kids can have all the fun they want without leaving the couch. To me, this is the issue. It's just too easy for parents to plug in the xBox and have their kids occupied why they go about their day.

I'm only 23 so it wasn't that long ago that I was a child. I remember that when I wanted fun I had to go find it. Falling out of trees, jumping off cliffs into the river, swimming, surfing or just cruising the streets with mates on our pushies. I've got no regrets from my childhood. Every bone I broke taught me a lesson

...and not surprisingly, these days I'm in very good shape, physically.
fatwa
fatwa
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2 Jan 2011 7:13pm
mmmmm....call me a skeptic, but that second pyramid isn't influenced by meat growers associations / industry is it?
cranky
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2 Jan 2011 4:48pm
This is more like it.


stamp
stamp
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2 Jan 2011 7:14pm
glenmorangie- that second pyramid is a ticket to bowel cancer and heart disease. and our ancestors ate plenty of carbs, meat was a luxury and not consumed en masse

eating too much of anything is not good for your health. excess is the problem in our society, you have to expend the energy you ingest or you get fat- its pretty simple.
petermac33
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2 Jan 2011 5:59pm
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dan berry
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2 Jan 2011 6:22pm
Get the fatties off the playstation and into the ocean enjoying a real way of life, not a make believe one.
theDoctor
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2 Jan 2011 9:29pm

no let the fatties be fatties with their playstations, they'd take up too much room in the ocean
Salatiela
Salatiela
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2 Jan 2011 9:32pm
yeeeeeeaaah, all is agreeable, really... blame can be cast in all directions including our selfs ( what have we done past?? ) change....how? give me your ideas, allow us to be doers... not gunna's - come ooooon!!

p.s i agree all food gimmicks are created by the industry - after all macca's fresh salad approach is all marketing sh#t...
nebbian
nebbian
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2 Jan 2011 6:33pm
GlenMorangie said...








Having just lost a significant amount of weight from a diet that looks very similar to the second pyramid, all I can say is that it works for me
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
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2 Jan 2011 6:41pm
Salatiela said...

na it an't good, we as parents do have to do more...however we pay taxes and i for one want more from the governing types that could help regulate the market / media etc...to much to ask??


Yes to much to ask...!
you are responsible for your own life..your own body.
What passes your lips ( a nice way of putting it) is up to you ,
the government is not twisting nobody arm.

People with young kids choose to have these kids..and the money these days that they get paid for those kids..
Is this extra money from the government for crap food and life style...I don't think so!

but cry foul when lives to to shi te and it's all the governments fault..bar baadly hum bug.
petermac33
petermac33
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2 Jan 2011 7:33pm
with the prevalence of GM foods thru cross pollination, future DNA affected

generations will not need to worry too much about food they put in their gob,as

they won't really be human
subasurf
subasurf
WA
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2 Jan 2011 7:34pm
actually, come to think of it....all these fatties are making me look better. Bring it on.
Salatiela
Salatiela
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2 Jan 2011 10:45pm
right up to the point you find yourself finding cloths mid sectionon the rack (133kg _ rejected((wet and..)) so ...) i dont want want my girl'.....
saltiest1
saltiest1
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2 Jan 2011 11:19pm
nebbian said...

GlenMorangie said...








Having just lost a significant amount of weight from a diet that looks very similar to the second pyramid, all I can say is that it works for me




ive been told by a naturopath/ nutritionist that this early pyramid was put out by an american wheat and grain board. could be wrong though, csiro still has the grains on the bottom.
GypsyDrifter
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2 Jan 2011 8:22pm
Salatiela said...


after all macca's fresh salad approach is all marketing sh#t...


No one say's you have to put this shi te in you mouth
Some People need to grow a brain!
saltiest1
saltiest1
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2 Jan 2011 11:28pm
GypsyDrifter said...

Salatiela said...


after all macca's fresh salad approach is all marketing sh#t...


No one say's you have to put this shi te in you mouth
Some People need to grow a brain!




oh yeah.
poor relative
poor relative
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2 Jan 2011 9:26pm
I was told once that Guinness is good for you. I've been trying to disprove this theory for over 20 years now.
I have to continue my research as i have found no firm conclusion

NotWal
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2 Jan 2011 11:33pm
GlenMorangie said...

I tell you, there is a conspiracy here!

Do we all remember doing the food pyramid at school? You might remember it looking something like this:



It may not be immediately obvious, but take a moment to think about what is wrong with this.

What did people eat 10,000 years ago? They certainly didn't have bread, cereals pasta and rice.

Hunter gatherers eat HEAPS of cereal. It was a key contributor to the establishment of permanent settlements and civilisation as we know it.


This kinda goes against the "you are what you eat" philosophy. Because you can, yes you can eat fats and get away with it. However, it should be saturated fats, not trans fats.
The problem here is carbohydrates. Our caveman friend rarely ate carbs,

That's highly specious.


yet they are the base of our pyramid! Why? Well lets look at who decided the pyramid is the way it is - the National Association of Wheat Growers (American). Now why would they do that? To sell their wheat products of course!

When we eat food in the form of carbohydrates, our bodies will either do one of three things in this particular order:
1. Burn off the carbohydrates immediately for energy
2. Replenish glycogen stores in the liver and muscle tissue
3. Convert the carbohydrate into fat and store for later use

So how do we stop getting fat? EASY - Stop eating carbs!

The way we should be eating is something like this:



Combined with excercise, which the little tubbies at wet and wild were doing some of, this epidemic can be easily controlled. This is really a simple lack of education issue that is powered by industry.

As I understand it, and this is old info so may be outdated, when you eat protein your digestive system gloms onto it with protein handling enzymes. These enzymes carry whole protein molecules off wholus bolus and stashes them at appropriate sites around the body. The thing is you only have a limited amount of these enzymes, enough for about 30 grams or so of protein. Once the enzymes are loaded up they take hours to transport and unload their cargo before they become available again.

The protein that you eat at your meal beyond the 30 grams or so doesn't get this special treatment. It brakes down into carbs and gas. The gas you can do without. The carbs can be obtained much more cheaply than via protein.

I don't know why that high protein diet works to lose weight but it has a lot of support. Maybe it somehow assists with the production of additional protein handling enzyme or with the synthesis of new protein or maybe it just makes you crap more :)

Of course exercise is key as you say. You just burn more fuel and not only when you exercise but all the time.
Franklin
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3 Jan 2011 12:44am
OK - let me say up front, I am genetically disposed to having skinny genes - my father, brother, sister, and (thankfully) children were/are slim without having to do too much for it. And, yes, I did lose 10kg about 12 years ago on a diet including daily coffee/banoffee pie or cheesecake or somesuch - but I was walking everyday becoz I was Mr Mum and taking my son to playgroup/the park etc and pushing the pram (rather than sitting behind a desk all day plunking on a keyboard and thinking that a 20 min phone call was "hard work"!)

So, I'm no paragon of virtue. However, I recall once waiting at a coffee shop with my son who was about 3; there was a mother and her 3 children (about 7, 5 and 3). Each was as wide as they were tall, truly. Each had a cream bun in each hand - even the 3 year old. Each had a cola drink waiting. And as the orig poster pointed out, they walked funny ... except it's not really funny, is it? Problem is, couldn't the kids mother see that? Or was it because she was overweight herself that she thinks it's ok?

It does seem to be a generational thing. When I was a kid, we could (and did) buy 250ml cans of drink - and that was enough. Now, you're hard-pressed to find anything under 600ml. And upsizing in foods is a real thing in nearly all food sellers. Many replace quality with quantity, and it works. My old man used to rave about the size of meals at his local club: "the steaks were that big" he used to say (hold your hands in front of you about shoulder width apart!). I used to say to him, "so did you finish it?" "No", he said, "but they were that big"! Maybe I'm a snob, but if I go to a restaurant, I'd much rather have a 200g piece of good lean fillet than a 600g t-bone or rump. And those restaurants that serve even bigger cuts as a feature ...

Add that to lack of exercise and there's the problem. Just one example: people are always complaining about traffic round schools. This is because parents of today (yes, my generation) drive the kids to school - even if they only live a few hundred metres away. Hardly anyone I went to school with got driven there, even in the rain.

If you want proof of what the OP said, have a look at some archival footage of street scenes. They don't have to be anything special, just so long as you can see a crowd. If you go back to the 50s, 60s or 70s, you'll see mostly slim people (and men wearing suits and trilby hats as their everyday dress in the older shots!). Then walk down your local shopping centre ...



Bigwavedave
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3 Jan 2011 12:10am
Until someone with qualifications quotes something from a website without .com attached, this is all unsubstantiated bullpucky!

It's all very easy.

Burn more energy than you eat or you'll become a fatty.

Get the fatties off the lounge. Stop bubble wrapping them and make them go outside where the boogieman lives and make them play. Stop feeding them cornchips, maccas, coke and xbox.

Ride bikes (oh they might get hurt) , swim in the pool (oh they might get suncancer), run on the footy field (oh they might get tackled), climb a friggin tree (oh they might get bit by a drop bear).

Realistically if you are protecting your fat kids from being molested, stop the rellies coming to visit, because statistically, it's them who you are protecting them from.

Even the boys these days have bigger boobs than the girls I went to school with!
Jack Mack
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3 Jan 2011 9:30am
Post code and socio/economic group will determine
a kids body shape.
Jack
theDoctor
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3 Jan 2011 10:20am
Bigwavedave said...

. Stop feeding them cornchips, maccas, coke and xbox.




YEAH, FEED ALL YOUR COKE TO ME!!!!!!
cisco
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3 Jan 2011 9:38am
Jack Mack said...

Post code and socio/economic group will determine
a kids body shape.
Jack


Ain't that the truth.

I was parked in front of the Woodridge, Qld, post code 4114, shopping centre where I saw two couples, one after the other, whose overhanging bellies were slapping against their thighs.

I nearly puked.

petermac33
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3 Jan 2011 7:39am
what about honey?


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