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kato
kato
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13 Aug 2011 10:26am
An interesting discussion and it looks like all the arguments that we have had with windsurfing assoc
Our liab insurance will only cover us when competing and it will only cover another competor NOT any of the public.
It will only cover us if we....
wear life jackets
have a rescue boat
risk management plan

So if your a social sailer and never enter a event your money is a donation and your are still at risk of losing it all to some one you,ve never met.

We are currently shopping around for an alternative insurance policy that will provide a 24/7 policy that will cover every one. Most companies says yes then when you look at the fine print its a NO. Sailing clubs are also finding out that their policies don,t cover them for what they thought they had.
The other issue is that only 9 companies can offer insurance into Australia !!!! Not a lot of choice and so much for free market.

The good news is we may have found a policy that offers our club what we want, so keep asking the questions AKSA untill you get what you need and want. Good luck

kk
kk
WA
953 posts
kk kk
WA, 953 posts
13 Aug 2011 7:15pm
The silence is deafening
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
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14 Aug 2011 10:43am
kk said...

The silence is deafening


If you have any serious questions about all this, direct them to your state ksa. They don't often have a lot if time to comment on the moaning on seabreeze. It's been addressed ad nauseum every year.

The fees went up on Jan 1 this year with plenty of explanation and debate.

Seriously, if these guys were paid for the effort they put in, our fees would be up there with other sports.

If you're gonna whinge, volunteer for a year on the committee and then you'll eat your words.
dave......
dave......
WA
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14 Aug 2011 5:14pm
Over the Years the State and National organisations have had their up's and downs. One thing Ive always seen with 99% of VOLUNTEERS is their passion and commitment to what their doing. Ive seen many knee jerk reactions by councils over the years and this grass roots organisation with bugger all capital goes in and takes on councils.... Ever tried to take on a council in a dispute? The other option is we would have been restricted to one or two beaches just like JET-skis. We are more likely to cause injuries to other beach goers..?..?...

We have a price rise. Go out for a night on the town, or dont just one night...... There's your insurance for the year. Without going into detail WE as kitesurfers got slammed by some payouts as already stated. With the increase of beginners every year, If you like the sport, you have 2 options:
Say something to reckless kiters at you local, and join a cool organisation that will only benefit from your help and imput.(my car rego was $425 for a year, no property insurance)
OR, say nothing to idiots, see near misses and get pissed off that your local just got banned.
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
WA, 809 posts
15 Aug 2011 1:45pm
dave...... said...

OThe other option is we would have been restricted to one or two beaches just like JET-skis.


In the metro area tho...WA is pretty big:)

(my car rego was $425 for a year, no property insurance)


Yep, you are doing 15-30k for a year, how many cents/km is that? If you are not driving it's a donation...

On the other side, how many hours on the water? For some of us, fair enough, for others not so.


Say something to reckless kiters at you local


Hm, did try that once, almost got slapped by the 25-30yo. It's a bigger risk of one-punch death with some people than a 3rd party claim...

$65 is not bad for the insurance. 10 times increase is not so good. But let's see in about 6 months time. Fingers crossed no 3rd party incidents...
blueprint
blueprint
WA
321 posts
WA, 321 posts
15 Aug 2011 2:19pm
How often do you guys change your kites?

My guess is that most of us are changing our kites every second year at least, assuming that you have only one kite (that wouldn't be true for many) that's 800-1000 a year. Even if you only change every third that's still $500-700/yr.

In that respect $120/yr to make sure that not only are you represented at the table if your beach is up for restrictions and that you don't spend the next 10 years of your life paying for a mistake (should you make one) isn't bad if you ask me.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
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15 Aug 2011 5:15pm
dbabicwa said...

$65 is not bad for the insurance. 10 times increase is not so good. But let's see in about 6 months time. Fingers crossed no 3rd party incidents...


$65 to $125 is not ten times.

People should also be aware that anyone joining between October and January last year were offered a fully paid subsidy of the full increased cost by the joint action of all the KSA's and AKSA.
Thats a pretty awesome credit back to members - even new ones joining up in that 3 month period of notice.
Its not that we are paying too much now - its more a matter of we have all been able to be fully covered for all the previous years way cheaper than we should have paid.
$65 for $10M personal to $20M event coverage is (and always has been) ridiculously cheap.
Paul1
Paul1
QLD
1011 posts
QLD, 1011 posts
15 Aug 2011 7:48pm
I think there are a lot of people missing the point here, the point isn't the cost, it is the increase. If everyone rolls over and says yes please sir, can I have another (increase)......Who will be still insured if it doubles next year, who is happy to pay $250, I am guessing fewer, how about $500 the year after, then a $1000, you can see where this is going.....
spreader
spreader
37 posts
37 posts
15 Aug 2011 9:00pm

$65 for $10M personal to $20M event coverage is (and always has been) ridiculously cheap.


was'nt there an event up north last year that charged extra for insurance, exmouth i think ?????
RPM
RPM
WA
1549 posts
RPM RPM
WA, 1549 posts
15 Aug 2011 9:22pm
Are people still moaning about this???

FFS...

Support your local WAKSA or state association. If you don't want to pay then shut up and stop flapping your gobs.

It's 125$ people. Yeah its increased. But so has most things in life these days. Please if you don'[t want to pay then keep your thoughts to yourself. It's your choice and it really is old news.

Juddy and the Waksa mob do a good job.
spreader
spreader
37 posts
37 posts
15 Aug 2011 9:37pm
RPM said...

Are people still moaning about this???

FFS...

Support your local WAKSA or state association. If you don't want to pay then shut up and stop flapping your gobs.

It's 125$ people. Yeah its increased. But so has most things in life these days. Please if you don'[t want to pay then keep your thoughts to yourself. It's your choice and it really is old news.

Juddy and the Waksa mob do a good job.


so you keep saying, peoples thoughts are what this forum is about
RPM
RPM
WA
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RPM RPM
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15 Aug 2011 9:57pm

I guess they are thoughts developed by a lack of kiting and an increase of boredom. Quite a lot of posts from mid life crisis types who are 'living the dream'. Just ask Mr 'Pioneer of Waveriding' who pisses and moans about most things kite related including the increase of subs for WAKSA.







GreenPat
GreenPat
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4107 posts
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15 Aug 2011 11:59pm
Paul1 said...


1 Claim in more than 10 years, sounds like the insurance company is doing pretty well out of this, maybe time to change company and start fresh?



Actually, there has been more than one claim in 10 years, and more than one over 100k. What Laurie said is roughly right, but there is a bit more to the price rise than just the one claim.

Like Phil, my opinions on here are my own, I'm no longer on any committee. BWD is onto it, if you don't like what the committees are doing, join one to make it better. Don't whinge about it here.

Or here's an idea. If you don't like the way AKSA (KBA?) / the state KSAs are representing you and insuring you, form an incorporated association with which you can purchase your own insurance policy, negotiate with relevant councils for general beach access - and all the other bodies required to put on events, and get all your mates to join you. Then you can set your own prices.
RPM
RPM
WA
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RPM RPM
WA, 1549 posts
15 Aug 2011 10:04pm
I recently got my own insurance for teaching for the upcoming season. Wasn't cheap but now I have peace of mind. Insurance sucks, but unfortunately its part and parcel of today's society.
the walks
the walks
WA
448 posts
WA, 448 posts
15 Aug 2011 10:39pm
love all the bleeting get out there and chase some storms and maybe a few mouthfulls later you'll all stfu
the fees are peanuts for peace of mind, support the people who try to support you even if you don't agree with everthing they do
btw, been a member since 2006, will be next year, also had my own instructor insurance for 3 years now
Just trying to keep it SAFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
diginoz
diginoz
WA
317 posts
WA, 317 posts
15 Aug 2011 10:40pm
I purchased my new kite today. Of subject i know but im very happy.
As a carpenter my public liability insurance is $720 a year just in case i drop my hammer on someones foot. $120 a year to kite at my local and support waksa CHEEEEEEEEEEEEP AS BROOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
spreader
spreader
37 posts
37 posts
15 Aug 2011 10:49pm
RPM said...


I guess they are thoughts developed by a lack of kiting and an increase of boredom. Quite a lot of posts from mid life crisis types who are 'living the dream'. Just ask Mr 'Pioneer of Waveriding' who pisses and moans about most things kite related including the increase of subs for WAKSA.









are they splinters in your tongue
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
WA, 809 posts
16 Aug 2011 12:04pm
puppetonastring said...

dbabicwa said...

$65 is not bad for the insurance. 10 times increase is not so good. But let's see in about 6 months time. Fingers crossed no 3rd party incidents...


$65 to $125 is not ten times.



We were paying something like $5 (now, that's cheap:) for the insurance last year. This is 10 times.

No one is questioning the Waksa mob...They do a great job.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
16 Aug 2011 2:42pm
spreader said...


$65 for $10M personal to $20M event coverage is (and always has been) ridiculously cheap.


was'nt there an event up north last year that charged extra for insurance, exmouth i think ?????

There was but not this year although I am sure most will be back just to kite
Insurance sucks and they get you from every angle. In Exmouth the insurance covered you if you hurt yourself at an event and the club was covered for public liability. But this argument sorry discussion is about insurance to cover public liability while you do your own thing.
Personally I think everyones jumping the gun a bit it's still a relatively low cost and who say's it's going to increase like that every year
spreader
spreader
37 posts
37 posts
16 Aug 2011 5:17pm
TurtleHunter said...

spreader said...


$65 for $10M personal to $20M event coverage is (and always has been) ridiculously cheap.


was'nt there an event up north last year that charged extra for insurance, exmouth i think ?????

There was but not this year although I am sure most will be back just to kite
Insurance sucks and they get you from every angle. In Exmouth the insurance covered you if you hurt yourself at an event and the club was covered for public liability.


sweet, thanks for clearing that up.
hookworm
hookworm
VIC
600 posts
VIC, 600 posts
17 Aug 2011 4:46pm
sorry to have to reply to this topic but it seems no one wants to talk to regarding my posts and all the people i want to hear from are on this thread so if anyone has any info regarding KBV and the AGM or any info please tell and for those who might be involved in other state associations who have any info regarding the aksa agm or any info at all please contact me asap. The reason i'd like some info is i'm putting an events team together so we can have some this year and if i'm not contacted soon i will be assuming that KBV is no longer being run and will start the the process of taking over.
Flying Kiwi
Flying Kiwi
WA
258 posts
WA, 258 posts
18 Aug 2011 7:13pm
hookworm and others - a lot of the info that you are asking about is available (and lots of it has been for a long time)


AKSA AGM minutes are here http://aksa.com.au/Default.aspx?pageId=655513
AKSA Financial reports are here aksa.com.au/Default.aspx?pageId=655512

KBV minutes should be available, but Campbell is out of the country, have you tried contacting them?
www.kbv.org.au/index2.htm

The AKSA events application form is here aksa.com.au/Nationals

AKSA insurance policy info is here with links to the documentation
aksa.com.au/Default.aspx?pageId=752873

As always if anyone has any questions please email [email protected] and I will attempt to answer them. On this forum it is difficult to determine what the actual question is.

Regards
Gav
AKSA Public Officer, Treasurer and Administrator
Flying Kiwi
Flying Kiwi
WA
258 posts
WA, 258 posts
18 Aug 2011 7:31pm
For the posters discussing the cost of the insurance premium, I am happy if anyone has ideas for finding a cheaper on-shore provider that offers the same terms and has a record of having paid out claims in Australia. The process of getting a reasonable quote takes up quite a bit of my free time at this time of the year, but if you can point in the direction of better options I am all ears email [email protected]

With the current claim history AKSA has I think the only way we can reduce the premium is through increasing safety awareness of members and risk management policies. This will show the insurance providers that we are proactively trying to reduce claims. Having discussions such as this is raising awareness of the need for insurance and I thank you all for taking part with your comments.

As AKSA moves towards National Sporting Organisation status there will be more opportunities to obtain state and federal funding to pay for some events and admin tasks, which will allow the volunteers to dedicate more of their time to reducing accidents and reduce the costs of membership.

Regards
Gav
stabber
stabber
NSW
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18 Aug 2011 11:01pm
RPM said...


I guess they are thoughts developed by a lack of kiting and an increase of boredom. Quite a lot of posts from mid life crisis types who are 'living the dream'. Just ask Mr 'Pioneer of Waveriding' who pisses and moans about most things kite related including the increase of subs for WAKSA.


I haven't said anything yet!







hookworm
hookworm
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600 posts
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18 Aug 2011 11:55pm
cheers Gav! i also made contact with someone from kbv today so hopefully i can help and get some events on the board for this season
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