Boards - How important is Concave

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dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
19 Jan 2008 12:52am
Out come all the kite-surfing/fluid dynamics geeks...
everyone's adding their bit to complete the picture, cool

"surf shaped edge as opposed to your standard twin tip square edge and why this is better for surfing?"...
This is also where rocker also comes into play as well as flex lengthways, diagonally and across the width. Fibre/epoxy glass is now manufactured in interesting designs with different gram threads being used in the warp and weave, were not talking 4 oz glass, 18-22 oz sometimes with diagonal threads.

Some kite boards also have carbon fibre put withways just on the tips to help sideways flex and upwind ability without compromising on flex throughout the board.
its all about the subtle curves.......sounds like another topic?
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
19 Jan 2008 7:05am
sounds like bogus to me... learn to ride, learn your board and learn how to use it .. it's like golf guys.. Buy the newest, best, most advanced clubs and it will still only make up for MAYBE 2-3% of your game (riding). The equipment is not what does it it's how you use it

and the rest is just placebo..
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
19 Jan 2008 1:11pm
Corey, I disagree. Have you ever objectively tested various boards against each other in the same conditions? You can't say that different boards don't have different riding characteristics, unless of course you're a rank beginner and have no clue what's going on under your feet .

So regardless of the science behind it, just imagine having some sort of skill level and being able to choose from a range of boards. You find that some boards feel really good to ride, and some feel not so good. So you're going to want to buy the one that feels the best.

Now imagine that the manufacturers and retailers understand this, and try to tailor their products accordingly and make appropriate sales based on individual customers. Then imagine that there actually is a science behind it, and the wider understanding of that science is a good thing, because it helps the general public choose a board that's right for them.

Now, back to the actual topic, does anyone have any opinions on channels? As far as I can understand they would work like mini-concaves, but being at the back of the water footprint rather than the front, would that detract from their upwind ability. My personal opinion is that they do, but they make up for it by really holding onto the water and giving a lot of leverage and control. Am I onto anything? What are peoples 'scientific' experiences with channels?

Anyway, I also did fluid dynamics some years ago, maybe 8, but can't remember anything useful from it. Except maybe that the rather incompressible nature of it as oppose to air may make a slight difference to the golf ball effect, but if I remember correctly it was negligible anyway. All I know is that I've got two main boards, I ride one on flatwater, one in surf/chop, and I prefer the flatter bottom one in the surf/chop and concave on flat. Backwards to all the theory, yes, but they are different lengths, widths, rail types, rockers, end shapes, fin sizes, weights, flexs and edge roundness. Plus one has channels and one doesn't (the one that also has the concave, and I prefer it in flatwater). Who can properly know these things hey? But it doesn't hurt to try and understand.
Buzz
Buzz
NSW
319 posts
NSW, 319 posts
19 Jan 2008 7:01pm
Maverick2 said...

Does double concave ride significantly better than single concave and also help with turning. Is Quadruple concave even better?


Don't know if quad/double concave is that much better than single concave - it may or may not depending on HOW MUCH actual concave is involved.

BUT, when you go to DEEP concave it makes a HUGE difference. I'm riding these OceanRodeo MAKO's with 18mm concave (single) and the difference is like chalk and cheese.

Coming from a surfing background it reminds me of the time when thrusters came out and challenged (& performed much better than) single fin surfboards - that's the sort of difference I'm experiencing with these Mako's. (And I used to ride Underground FLX's with double concave)

I know these Mako's aren't big in Oz, but I wish more people had the chance to at least try 'em to feel what I'm talking about.

They are super fast and rip upwind ... they sort of just go on the one rail and just hold that track so well ... yet, are so loose as well.

They funnel water similar to a catamaran and hence, just EAT CHOP... so smooth -you get a real cushioning affect and it takes a lot of pressure off your legs and I find I'm riding for much longer periods.

The 150's (also come in a 134) have heaps of rocker, which makes them great in waves too...

The only downside I can see is when landing jumps - due to the huge concave - the boards don't flex that much, and you've got to get your landings pretty well spot on ... I think they could improve on the straps and pads a tad as well.

Any MAKO riders in Oz I would love to hear your feedback.

DEEP concave - way to go !!!!!
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